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It's funny because he is a dead ringer for Mr. Magoo. =D

I'm kinda giddy over Trump suggesting that we take away the guns from people who shouldn't have them without due process. I like it when he shoots himself in the foot.
 
I saw that clip. Funny stuff. It's sad that Trump staffed his cabinet with incompetents like Carson. I knew this guy was not on the level when he stated during the debates that the Egyptians used the pyramids as graineries because the Bible said so. But letting one rip while quoting Scripture was too funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhol3WdB4QU
 
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Trump's gun meeting was only reality TV. With the Republican-controlled Congress, nothing will come of it as they are all afraid of the NRA.
 
Right, I know, but it's still another brick in the wall of everyone realizing the guy is unfit for office. He must have pissed off a lot of people who were probably on his side... let's take away guns without due process. Wow.
 
Trump suggests death penalty to stop opioid epidemic

By SARAH KARLIN-SMITH and BRIANNA EHLEY

03/01/2018 04:24 PM EST

Updated 03/01/2018 04:58 PM EST

President Donald Trump on Thursday suggested using the death penalty on drug dealers to address the opioid epidemic, equating providing lethal drugs with murder.

"We have pushers and drugs dealers, they are killing hundreds and hundreds of people," Trump said at a White House summit on opioid abuse. "If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty. These people can kill 2,000, 3,000 people and nothing happens to them."

Trump said countries that impose the death penalty on drug dealers have a better record than the United States in combating substance abuse.

"Some countries have a very, very tough penalty ? the ultimate penalty ? and by the way, they have much less of a drug problem than we do," he said.

The remarks follow media reports earlier this week that Trump has privately praised countries like Singapore that mandate the death penalty for drug traffickers, arguing a softer approach to substance abuse won't be successful.

The remarks are likely to rankle administration critics who have urged the White House to focus on the public health component of the opioid crisis. The president's remarks did not touch on health approaches like providing additional funding for treatment.

?It makes us all very nervous? that the U.S. could move back to a ?penal-first approach,? said Andrew Kessler, who leads Slingshot Solutions, a consulting firm specializing in behavioral health policy that advocates for substance abuse treatment and prevention. ?I have no love for high-level traffickers or cartels, but a very high percentage of people who sell drugs do it to support their own habit.?

He and others said the government would be better offer treating people for addiction than imprisoning them.

?We have done the experiment with extreme mass incarceration to shrink the drug market and it failed,? said Mark Kleiman, who leads the crime and justice program at New York University?s Marron Institute of Urban Management. ?Between 1980 and today, the number of drug dealers behind bars has gone up by a factor of 30 and the prices of heroin and cocaine have fallen more than 90 percent. So the problem with putting drug dealers in prison is there is another drug dealer in there to take his place.?

It?s also unclear whether harsh sentences for drug dealers lower the level of drug use in a country. While Singapore ?has done a pretty good job of reducing drug consumption,? countries like the Philippines, Thailand and Malaysia still have "?huge" drug problems, Kleiman said.

Former Democratic Rep. Patrick Kennedy, a member of the president's White House Commission on Opioids, who was not invited to the summit, said Trump should use the bully pulpit to promote an "orchestrated solution across many departments of government."

?There is a certain easiness about talking tough when in fact we have been talking tough for years and it hasn?t gotten us anywhere,? Kennedy said.

Former Republican Rep. Mary Bono, co-founder of the Collaborative for Effective Prescription Opioid Policies, said Trump should have specified who he was referring to when suggesting harsh penalties for drug dealers.

?If he is really talking about the worst of the worst, he needs to be clear," she said. ?It gets into a gray area, and it can be a little uncomfortable when you go there.?

Trump?s remarks also deviate from the tone taken by his own Surgeon General Jerome Adams earlier Thursday. At a U.S. Chamber of Commerce event on the opioid crisis, Adams talked about his brother, who is in state prison due to crimes he committed to support his addiction. He emphasized the need for the country to move toward earlier intervention and strengthening its mental health services so that drug-related crimes and prison can be avoided.

?At the end of the day, if you commit a crime, there are folks out there who are dedicated to and need to address the public safety aspect of it, but the question I ask myself is how many opportunities did we miss earlier on to have had that warm handoff, to have connected him to care so that he didn?t continue to go down his addiction pathway, his criminal pathway. That would have saved us money and save trouble for the people who he honestly did victimize," Adams said.

Trump also said his administration will unveil new policies to address the crisis over the next few weeks but did not provide any details, simply stating they would be "very, very strong."

He expressed support for going after pharmaceutical companies and distributors that supply prescription painkillers for their role in the crisis.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said this week that the Justice Department will file a statement of interest in litigation that includes hundreds of lawsuits by states and localities against opioid manufacturers and distributors.

The Justice Department will argue that the federal government has borne substantial costs due to the opioid epidemic and should be reimbursed for health programs and law enforcement efforts to combat the crisis.

Cities, counties and states are seeking to recover the costs associated with providing treatment and public safety, by targeting companies that they allege used false, deceptive or unfair marketing practices for prescription opioids.

Sessions also said the federal government is studying the possibility of initiating its own opioid litigation.

The federal government previously went after many opioid-makers in court a decade ago, with companies like Purdue Pharma pleading guilty to misleading regulators, doctors and patients about the drugs' risks of addiction and abuse.

Trump?s remarks came at the end of a summit that highlighted different approaches to addressing drug abuse.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar talked about increasing access to treatment programs and focusing on researching non-opioid pain therapies. HUD Secretary Ben Carson discussed how communities can provide support and housing for people suffering from addiction.

Some public health experts advocated for a greater focus on prevention efforts.

?My concern is we?re focused on treatment and arresting and not focused on prevention,? said Mike Fraser, the executive director for the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials.

Advocates and drug policy experts said they are eager to see a follow-through.

Regina LaBelle, who served as chief of staff at the Office of National Drug Control Policy during the Obama administration, said she thought the White House?s efforts were headed in the right direction. ?I thought they did a great job,? she said. ?Now we have to make sure that we follow it up with action.?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/01/donald-trump-death-penalty-suggestion-opioid-crisis-376176
 
Trump said countries that impose the death penalty on drug dealers have a better record than the United States in combating substance abuse.

"Some countries have a very, very tough penalty ? the ultimate penalty ? and by the way, they have much less of a drug problem than we do," he said.

I see trump is still just making shit up. I wonder how other politicians feel, having spent so much effort in finding ways to manipulate the truth to create deception.. Only to have trump come onto the scene and show them "you know, you pull stuff out of your ass without a shred of truth to it and a lot of people will still buy it. And if anyone calls you a liar, just call them a liar right back!"

Kinda like how politicians generally didn't like taking the risk of being seen to flip flop on issues, then trump showed up and just started doing it, and if anyone called him out on it, just go "I never said that you're a liar" or just outright admit "yeah I changed my mind so what?".

The whole idea of "targeting the drug dealers not the drug users" is kinda bullshit anyway. Given how many drug dealers are just desperate drug users. But government policy often requires that complex social issues involving people be simplified to the point you can use a check box on a form.
 
"I have ideas, and they're going to be the toughest ideas you've ever heard. No one has tougher ideas than me. We're going to be very, very tough."
 
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what a fucking scumbag.
trying to distract attention from the soiled adult diaper that is his presidency.

Turnover, investigations have Trump administration adrift

WASHINGTON (AP) — Rattled by two weeks of muddled messages, departures and spitting matches between the president and his own top officials, Donald Trump is facing a shrinking circle of trusted advisers and a staff that’s grim about any prospect of a reset.

Even by the standards of Trump’s often chaotic administration, the announcement of Hope Hicks’ imminent exit spread new levels of anxiety across the West Wing and cracked open disputes that had been building since the White House’s botched handling of domestic violence allegations against a senior aide late last month.

One of Trump’s most loyal and longest-serving aides, Hicks often served as human buffer between the unpredictable president and the business of government. One official on Thursday compared the instability caused by her departure to that of a chief of staff leaving the administration — though that prospect, too, remained a possibility given the questions that have arisen about John Kelly’s competence.

Hicks’ departure comes as special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation appears to be circling the Oval Office, with prosecutors questioning Trump associates about both his business dealings before he became president and his actions in office, according to people with knowledge of the interviews. Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, has also been weakened after being stripped of his high-level security clearance amid revelations about potential conflicts of interest.


Communications Director Hope Hicks, one of President Trump’s most trusted aides, abruptly announced her resignation Wednesday. Julie Pace says Hicks is under the political magnifying glass, which might have affected her decision. (Feb. 28)

The biggest unknown is how the mercurial Trump will respond to Hicks’ departure and Kushner’s more limited access, according to some of the 16 White House officials, congressional aides and outside advisers interviewed by The Associated Press, most of whom insisted on anonymity in order to disclose private conversations and meetings. Besides Kushner and his wife, presidential daughter Ivanka Trump, most remaining White House staffers were not part of Trump’s close-knit 2016 campaign. One person who speaks to Trump regularly said the president has become increasingly wistful about the camaraderie of that campaign.

Rarely has a modern president confronted so many crises and controversies across so many fronts at the same time. After 13 months in office, there’s little expectation among many White House aides and outside allies that Trump can quickly find his footing or attract new, top-flight talent to the West Wing. And some Republican lawmakers, who are eying a difficult political landscape in November’s midterm elections, have begun to let private frustrations ooze out in public.

“There is no standard operating practice with this administration,” said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota. “Every day is a new adventure for us.”

Thune’s comments described the White House’s peculiar rollout Thursday of controversial new aluminum and steel tariffs. White House aides spent Wednesday night and Thursday morning scrambling to steer the president away from an announcement on an unfinished policy, with even Kelly in the dark about Trump’s plans. Aides believed they had succeeded in getting Trump to back down and hoped to keep television cameras away from an event with industry executives so the president couldn’t make a surprise announcement. But Trump summoned reporters into the Cabinet Room anyway and declared that the U.S. would levy penalties of 25 percent on steel and 10 percent on aluminum imports.

Some of Trump’s populist supporters cheered the move. The stock market, which Trump looks to for validation for his economic policies, plunged.

Some officials are bracing for more departures. On Thursday, NBC News reported that the White House was preparing to replace national security adviser H.R. McMaster as early as next month.

White House Sarah Huckabee Sanders told “Fox & Friends” on Friday that “Gen. McMaster isn’t going anywhere.”

As for talk of a White House in upheaval, Sanders pointed out the tax cuts passed late last year: “If they want to call it chaos, fine, but we call it success and productivity and we’re going to keep plugging along.”

For those remaining on the job, the turbulence has been relentless. Just two weeks ago, Kelly, the general brought in to bring order, was himself on the ropes for his handling of the domestic violence allegations against a close aide, Rob Porter. Trump was said to be deeply irritated by the negative press coverage of Kelly’s leadership during the controversy and considering firing him. But first, the president planned to give his chief of staff a chance to defend himself before reporters in the briefing room and gauge the reaction, according to two people with knowledge of the episode. The briefing, however, was canceled after the school shooting in Parkland, Florida. Kelly’s standing has stabilized somewhat as media attention to the Porter issue has waned.

One Kelly backer said the chief of staff’s standing remains tenuous, in part because of his clashes with Kushner over policy, personnel and White House structure. The tensions were exacerbated by Kelly’s decision to downgrade Kushner’s security clearance because the senior adviser had not been permanently approved for the highest level of access.

Kushner and Ivanka Trump, who also serves as a senior White House adviser, have been frustrated by Kelly’s attempt to restrict their access to the president, and they perceive his new crackdown on clearances as a direct shot at them, according to White House aides and outside advisers. Kelly, in turn, has grown frustrated with what he views as the couple’s freelancing. He blames them for changing Trump’s mind at the last minute and questions what exactly they do all day, according to one White House official and an outside ally.

The ethics questions dogging Kushner relate to both his personal financial interests and his dealings in office with foreign officials. Intelligence officials expressed concern that Kushner’s business dealings were a topic of discussion in conversations he was having with foreign officials about foreign policy issues of interest to the U.S. government, a former intelligence official said. Separately, The New York Times reported that two companies made loans worth more than half a billion dollars to Kushner’s family real estate firm after executives met with Kushner at the White House.

Allies of Kushner and Ivanka Trump insist they have no plans to leave the White House in the near future. As for Kelly, he appeared to hint at his tough spot during an event Thursday at the Department of Homeland Security, where he served as secretary before departing for the White House.

“The last thing I wanted to do was walk away from one of the great honors of my life, being the secretary of homeland security,” he said at the agency’s 15th anniversary celebration in Washington. “But I did something wrong and God punished me, I guess.”

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i know i've said it before, but he's so completely fucked.
i sincerely hope the trump family see some serious jail time when all is done and dusted. suspect they've made an awful lot of powerful enemies in the last 13 months.
 
Mueller is forging ahead, getting his ducks in a row. People have already flipped. It's only a matter of time, I think.

It's incredible how many people in his administration have resigned.

It cracks me up that I've actually heard anyone repeat the sentiment that this president is the most scandal-free of the last 100 years. Because the entire thing has been one long series of scandals. =D 8( Actually it doesn't crack me up at all.
 
His gun law meeting the other day has proved to be just what I had posted earlier: Trump playing his reality TV role. Nothing will change on gun laws or regulations. It's total BS. The Republican Congress would never go against the NRA because the NRA holds such powerful influence.
 
[h=1]It Took the NRA One Day to Crush President Trump’s Gun Reforms[/h]
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...day-to-demolish-president-trumps-gun-reforms/
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters Friday morning Mr. Trump now considers a federal increase in the minimum age as likely unrealistic….On background checks, Ms. Sanders dialed back the president’s stance. He is seeking “not necessarily universal background checks,but certainly improving the background-check system. He wants to see what that legislation, the final piece of it looks like,” she said.

That didn’t take long. I guess Sanders didn’t bother saying anything about taking away people’s guns since everyone knows that was just blue-sky blathering in the first place. Ditto for the assault weapons ban. The bottom line appears to be that Trump now supports Sen. John Cornyn’s feeble “Fix NICS” bill and that’s about it. What a surprise.
 
Trump was angry and ‘unglued’ when he started a trade war, officials say

WASHINGTON — With global markets shaken by President Donald Trump's surprise decision to impose strict tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, the president went into battle mode on Friday: "Trade wars are good, and easy to win," he wrote on Twitter.

But the public show of confidence belies the fact that Trump's policy maneuver, which may ultimately harm U.S. companies and American consumers, was announced without any internal review by government lawyers or his own staff, according to a review of an internal White House document.

According to two officials, Trump's decision to launch a potential trade war was born out of anger at other simmering issues and the result of a broken internal process that has failed to deliver him consensus views that represent the best advice of his team.

On Wednesday evening, the president became "unglued," in the words of one official familiar with the president's state of mind.

A trifecta of events had set him off in a way that two officials said they had not seen before: Hope Hicks' testimony to lawmakers investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 election, conduct by his embattled attorney general and the treatment of his son-in-law by his chief of staff.

Trump, the two officials said, was angry and gunning for a fight, and he chose a trade war, spurred on by Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and Peter Navarro, the White House director for trade — and against longstanding advice from his economic chair Gary Cohn and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin.

Ross had already invited steel and aluminum executives to the White House for an 11 a.m. meeting on Thursday. But Ross, according to a person with direct knowledge, hadn't told the White House who the executives were. As a result, White House officials were unable to conduct a background check on the executives to make sure they were appropriate for the president to meet with and they were not able to be cleared for entry by secret service. According to a person with direct knowledge, even White House chief of staff John Kelly was unaware of their names.

By midnight Wednesday, less than 12 hours before the executives were expected to arrive, no one on the president's team had prepared any position paper for an announcement on tariff policy, the official said. In fact, according to the official, the White House counsel's office had advised that they were as much as two weeks away from being able to complete a legal review on steel tariffs.

In response to NBC News, another White House official said that the communications team "was well-prepared to support the president's announcement" and that "many of the attendees had been in the White House before and had already been vetted for attendance at a presidential event." A different official said of the decision, "everyone in the world has known where the president's head was on this issue since the beginning of his administration."

There were no prepared, approved remarks for the president to give at the planned meeting, there was no diplomatic strategy for how to alert foreign trade partners, there was no legislative strategy in place for informing Congress and no agreed upon communications plan beyond an email cobbled together by Ross's team at the Commerce Department late Wednesday that had not been approved by the White House.

No one at the State Department, the Treasury Department or the Defense Department had been told that a new policy was about to be announced or given an opportunity to weigh in in advance.

The Thursday morning meeting did not originally appear on the president's public schedule. Shortly after it began, reporters were told that Ross had convened a "listening" session at the White House with 15 executives from the steel and aluminum industry.

Then, an hour later, in an another unexpected move, reporters were invited to the Cabinet room. Without warning, Trump announced on the spot that he was imposing new strict tariffs on imports.

By Thursday afternoon, the U.S. stock market had fallen and Trump, surrounded by his senior advisers in the Oval Office, was said to be furious.

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wow.
 
this man is a deranged animal. I'm very worried Mueller isn't going to take him down. We keep saying its only a matter of time, but time is going by and nothing is happening.

I wish 100$ a month off my taxes and racists attacks on brown ppl were enough for me to ignore this lunatic like half of americans, but its not.
 
^100 bucks? I don't even get that... Thank you soooooo much Republicans, I'm sooooo wealthy now!
 
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Eric "Fast and Furious" Holder should be praying each day that he himself does not end up behind bars in the next 6 years.

I personally support death penalties for large scale opiate traffickers, and near life terms for dealers.

If you have seen in person, scumbags turning entire neighborhoods of youth into junkies over and over you would feel the same.

If you've been to the bay area or socal and seen liberal drug policies in action you realize it is making the problems exponentially worse.

The people that willingly introduce plagues on societies should pay with their lives, this includes doctors.

The opiate epidemic is taking so many of the best and brightest among us and destroying entire towns there needs to be lethal consequences for engaging and encouraging the plague.

I want to see extraditions, I would like to see the national guard occupy and dismantle open air drug markets, I want to see real action take place.

I want the money to be traced and see all the middle men and washers of money face the same consequences as the traffickers.

There are ex navy seals taking down pedos, why can't they take down opiate distributors?

But it's all a pipe dream and will never happen and this country will continue to destroy itself because too many prominent people profit off the misery.
 
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Eric "Fast and Furious" Holder should be praying each day that he himself does not end up behind bars in the next 6 years.

I personally support death penalties for large scale opiate traffickers, and near life terms for dealers.

If you have seen in person, scumbags turning entire neighborhoods of youth into junkies over and over you would feel the same.

If you've been to the bay area or socal and seen liberal drug policies in action you realize it is making the problems exponentially worse.

The people that willingly introduce plagues on societies should pay with their lives, this includes doctors.

The opiate epidemic is taking so many of the best and brightest among us and destroying entire towns there needs to be lethal consequences for engaging and encouraging the plague.

I want to see extraditions, I would like to see the national guard occupy and dismantle open air drug markets, I want to see real action take place.

I want the money to be traced and see all the middle men and washers of money face the same consequences as the traffickers.

There are ex navy seals taking down pedos, why can't they take down opiate distributors?

But it's all a pipe dream and will never happen and this country will continue to destroy itself because too many prominent people profit off the misery.

Might also be because a lot of us think your ideas are crazy and extreme and counter productive and outright totalitarian. Just a possibility.
 
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Eric "Fast and Furious" Holder should be praying each day that he himself does not end up behind bars in the next 6 years.

I personally support death penalties for large scale opiate traffickers, and near life terms for dealers.

If you have seen in person, scumbags turning entire neighborhoods of youth into junkies over and over you would feel the same.

If you've been to the bay area or socal and seen liberal drug policies in action you realize it is making the problems exponentially worse.

The people that willingly introduce plagues on societies should pay with their lives, this includes doctors.

The opiate epidemic is taking so many of the best and brightest among us and destroying entire towns there needs to be lethal consequences for engaging and encouraging the plague.

I want to see extraditions, I would like to see the national guard occupy and dismantle open air drug markets, I want to see real action take place.

I want the money to be traced and see all the middle men and washers of money face the same consequences as the traffickers.

There are ex navy seals taking down pedos, why can't they take down opiate distributors?

But it's all a pipe dream and will never happen and this country will continue to destroy itself because too many prominent people profit off the misery.

My neighbor across the street is apparently a good conservative Republican. He's got a lot of guns & a trophy room of mounted animal heads, trophies from numerous hunting trips. He has a big American flag flying outside his house every day.

I was talking to him about our local fire department & telling him about the paging receiver I had recently acquired that monitors the County emergency service dispatch & local fire company. I hear at least several pages per week for our local emergency medical squad to respond to a drug overdose. My neighbor said that Narcan (naloxone), a drug used to save opioid overdose victims, should be eliminated & that the druggies should be left to die. I think he & the OP of the thread above could be soul mates.
 
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