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ElkHorn

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Ended up deciding on 500mg test e/week and 3iu HGH/day (5 on 2 off protocol). Feel a bit embarrassed to say this after the advice you all gave, but don't think i'm being TOTALLY reckless.

Have done one shot of test and one shot of HGH thus far. Already seem to have increased libido with rock hard erections. Is this almost certainly psychosomatic, or is it possible? Seems very real.

Here is a starting picture that was taken a little before starting the cycle. Was probably about 3lbs more fat and more water logged when i started. Stats in pic are 6'0ft and 184 lbs.

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I know you all said to wait until symptoms of gyno appear to attempt anastrazole, but am reading other places to start out with 0.5mg anywhere from EOD to E3D. I'm very obsessive about my appearance, so gyno would drive me nuts. Would it be harmful to start out with 0.5 E3D? If i notice it starting, will the anastrazole quickly get it under control?

Will provide updates over the course of the regiment.
 
Got very good starting base physique to grow off of. Gyno is over exaggerated. You're lean enough that you shouldn't have issues. Once your nipples get itchy/tender, you've got like a week or so before you start having issues. Killing estrogen will limit your growth potential. Especially with gh in the mix you shouldn't have estro problems. Gyno doesn't just appear overnight or even a few days. If they get itchy, take half tab adex and assess in a few days. If still having issues take another half tab. If you're super worried about gyno grab some Nolvadex to keep on hand and take 10-20mg the day you get itchy nips along with the half tab adex. That way it'll block the receptors in your nipples while the adex lowers your estrogen.

I get boners when elevating test usually within 24 hours. Even with longer esters.
 
Looking good man, good base. That dosing/protocol looks pretty good and will keep you feeling good.

As far as AI, I'm with serotonin. I rarely need/use one and only do if symptoms appear like itchy nips or crazy out of whack emotions. Nolva can be used immediately to block the receptors and prevent any breast enlargement and adex also brings e2 levels down quickly if needed so personally I'd learn if/when you need anything and just be mindful but not paranoid of it.
 
Also if you show gyno symptoms run caber or letro, do research on what I'm saying bro, a caber protocol will stop gyno and letro will reverse it. For many, many people itchy nips is to fucking late family, and the surgery to fix gyno is pricy and painful.
 
Good luck!

I'd personally go with a low dose AI (say anastrazole 0.5mg EOD/E3D depending on blood tests) on 500mg.

Oestrogen has lots of great effects (anabolic, good lipids, joint hyaluronan etc). But redox cycling of oestrogens (oxidation, free-radicals, inflammation) can cause damage to the testes which could harm your recovery.

Thus, impairing aromatase activity (which tends to increase on cycle anyway) when you also have a huge surplus of free testosterone is a wise idea. As is a decent intake of anti-oxidants like taurine, royal jelly, bio-available curcumin, NAC, raw cacao etc.
 
Jdizzle760 said:
A little background before I shoot you advice, been lifting daily since 2012. When I got sober in 2013 i lifted 5-6 days every week till my cancer diagnosis last year. Competitive powerlifter, who actually made nationals in 2016 for the 2017 year (Got cancer couldnt compete) Ran many cycles and blast and cruise year around (On trt for life so I can't come all the way off)

ALWAYS run your AI during cycle bro, no matter what compounds you run. The conversion made in your body once you start showing gyno WILL NOT BE CONTROLED WITH AROMASIN OR ADEX ONCE IT'S STARTED. It is not Estrogen that causes gyno bro, it's the prolactin from the progesterone receptors being manipulated by the over abundance of E. Thus control E the whole cycle one controls the gyno.

Also if you ever run wet compounds (Deca, Tren) always have caber on hand and/or letro since these are heavy androgens.

Your smart doing your due diligence and researching. What's your workout/split look like? What's your diet? Those two define your gains and are more important then your compounds imo.

Also not trying to step on any toes or negate any advice just giving information from my experience and from my point of view. Not trying to offend and shit.
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Hey, welcome to our forum :)

Gyno's actually a pretty complex, multi-faceted condition, with lots of potential causes not just prolactin. We have a few threads on it that you might find interesting:

Review of Gyno Causes
Further Thoughts on Gyno Mechanisms
 
Jdizzle760 said:
A little background before I shoot you advice, been lifting daily since 2012. When I got sober in 2013 i lifted 5-6 days every week till my cancer diagnosis last year. Competitive powerlifter, who actually made nationals in 2016 for the 2017 year (Got cancer couldnt compete) Ran many cycles and blast and cruise year around (On trt for life so I can't come all the way off)

ALWAYS run your AI during cycle bro, no matter what compounds you run. The conversion made in your body once you start showing gyno WILL NOT BE CONTROLED WITH AROMASIN OR ADEX ONCE IT'S STARTED. It is not Estrogen that causes gyno bro, it's the prolactin from the progesterone receptors being manipulated by the over abundance of E. Thus control E the whole cycle one controls the gyno.

Also if you ever run wet compounds (Deca, Tren) always have caber on hand and/or letro since these are heavy androgens.

Your smart doing your due diligence and researching. What's your workout/split look like? What's your diet? Those two define your gains and are more important then your compounds imo.

Also not trying to step on any toes or negate any advice just giving information from my experience and from my point of view. Not trying to offend and shit.
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Every time I got itchy nips I took 0.5mg adex and it went away... Dunno where you got your gyno info either since Nolvadex (used to treat gyno) actually upregulates progesterone receptors. Also there's plenty of research that shows that nandrolone and trenbolone don't mess with prolactin and lots of blood work, around to back that. And Letro on tren?? I'd never advise Letro to be used unless it's for breast cancer or contest prep or trying to reverse existing gyno. Low estrogen feels like shit and is terrible for mental and physical health.
 
Thank you for the responses, guys. It is much appreciated.

I don't actually have Nolva on hand. Perhaps this sounds silly, but can clomiphene be used in its place in conjunction with the anastrazole if symptoms started becoming noticeable?

If not, i will place an order for Nolva today.

And when should i get my blood done? Obviously i should have done it before i started, but that is another area in which i was a bit reckless. Should i get them taken as soon as possible, or wait for the drugs to be more active? And once taken, how often should i be getting them taken?

@Jdizzle, I've been lifting ritually for over two years now. Definitely missed less than 10 workouts in over two years. Before this I was addicted to heroin and cocaine for 3-4 years, and before this peak of addiction, i had been consistently lifting for four years, all throughout high school. I'm sober as well. And sorry to hear about the cancer. How are you doing with it currently?

I use a push pull split.

Push day is squat, bench, OHP, lateral raises, leg extensions, rear delt flies, tricep extension, cable flies.

Pull day is deadlift, pull ups, shrugs, barbell row, stiff leg deadlift, curls, wide grip lat pull down.

I do three days on, one day off, always alternating between push and pull. Calves and abs are always done first and last day of the three day rotation.

this allows me to hit everything 3 times per week.

I will also typically do something like rowing or elliptical as a warm up.

My diet right now is very clean.

Breakfast:
big bowl of oatmeal (120grams dry)
protein shake

Snack:
couple protein bars

Lunch:
chicken, veggies, and rice

Snack:
protein bar

Dinner:
lb of chicken breast w/ veggies and oatmeal or rice

Typically getting around 250grams of protein per day.
 
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^ Hmm, I'd suggest really getting into learning about different diet regimes mate. There's a huge amount of info you can google. But I probably eat more than that for lunch :)

You want a whole range of fruits, veggies, nuts and good oils throughout the day :) Protein's probably ok, though since you're on a cycle, I'd suggest gradually increasing food and protein intake throughout as you grow, tapering up calories. Turn your snack into a full meal. And possibly add another meal before bed (maybe oily fish, nuts etc). Food is where the gains are gonna come from.

As for nolva - yeah, get some anyway just because it's really useful (more useful than any AI for gyno), and isn't going to have a shelf-life so will keep for years if you need it.

Since you've decided to do a cycle, you're highly unlikely to stop after this one, so think ahead and start to build up a stock of various useful meds and AAS.
 
ElkHorn said:
Thank you for the responses, guys. It is much appreciated.

I don't actually have Nolva on hand. Perhaps this sounds silly, but can clomiphene be used in its place in conjunction with the anastrazole if symptoms started becoming noticeable?

If not, i will place an order for Nolva today.

And when should i get my blood done? Obviously i should have done it before i started, but that is another area in which i was a bit reckless. Should i get them taken as soon as possible, or wait for the drugs to be more active? And once taken, how often should i be getting them taken?

@Jdizzle, I've been lifting ritually for over two years now. Definitely missed less than 10 workouts in over two years. Before this I was addicted to heroin and cocaine for 3-4 years, and before this peak of addiction, i had been consistently lifting for four years, all throughout high school. I'm sober as well. And sorry to hear about the cancer. How are you doing with it currently?

I use a push pull split.

Push day is squat, bench, OHP, lateral raises, leg extensions, rear delt flies, tricep extension, cable flies.

Pull day is deadlift, pull ups, shrugs, barbell row, stiff leg deadlift, curls, wide grip lat pull down.

I do three days on, one day off, always alternating between push and pull. Calves and abs are always done first and last day of the three day rotation.

this allows me to hit everything 3 times per week.

I will also typically do something like rowing or elliptical as a warm up.

My diet right now is very clean.

Breakfast:
big bowl of oatmeal (120grams dry)
protein shake

Snack:
couple protein bars

Lunch:
chicken, veggies, and rice

Snack:
protein bar

Dinner:
lb of chicken breast w/ veggies and oatmeal or rice

Typically getting around 250grams of protein per day.
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Personally, your calorie count is hella low. My assumption is your using GH to supplement the AAS for size since your BF% is so low and food is super important. Calories, healthy fats, complex carbs. Your regiment with GH dosing is important bro, you can seriously fuck yourself up if not followed properly imo.

Also with steroids comes more training or your not maximizing the potential of your cycle. Every major sport will say there athletes use gear for recovery. Your muscles will not only heal faster and have better recovery time there is some evidence to support that AAS supports better protein synthesis.

Congrats on your sobriety I'm currently kicking dope and pain pills from the cancer. Day 5.

Make sure you get ALL anciliaries (Nolva, Clomid ect.) For when you put.

Up your calories by a couple hundred a week after tracking you BMI to figure your calorie medium to maintain, go 500 or 1000+ over to gain mass. I made it to 245 lbs at 5'9" with a 18-20% BF before I got sick, so you can do it just track every thing and like @CFC said taper up and study your diet.

Taper your diet up tho or your body will not respond well. Feels like shit to make a huge calorie jump.

You should get base bloods done before your first pin honestly. Then it depends on the ester but four weeks should be enough for the test to be fully active in your blood
 
Ok, i will up my caloric intake and try to increase variety. I would rather sacrifice a couple lbs of mass for the sake of staying relatively lean, but i definitely don't want to cut my lean mass gains by something like 50%.

Is it a bad idea to eat "dirty" meals like cheeseburgers and ice cream to help push myself up another 1-2k calories per day?

Also, just realized something that i feel really dumb for not realizing... My vials are 200mg test e & 200mg eq per mL, not pure test e. My friend just texted me letting me know. So that means I'm currently looking at running 250mg test e and 250mg eq per week assuming i do another 250mg shot tomorrow. Thinking about bumping up the dose to i'll be running 400mg test e per week and 400mg eq.

What do you guys think of this? Obviously this wasnt the ideal scenario, but are there certain things i should be aware of now that i realize im stacking test e and eq?

Honestly frazzled me a bit to realize this, haha. I have mild to moderate OCD, so i get frustrated when things deviate from my intended plan.
 
Stay at what you've got mate.

Didn't you see any of the other 250mg/wk test e cycles where people gained exactly as much as they would had they been on 3x as much? You'll do great on what you're already planning, even with the changes.

Your body will simply counteract any increase via homeostasis over the weeks. So stay low and safe and simple.

As for diet, don't just chuck in hamburgers and ice-cream. Get a solid diet with healthy foods in, and slowly ramp up the quantities of all components. You won't gain excess fat if you eat sensibly and healthily, then taper it up.

Post up your diet in precise (grams) detail if you want some true input. There are lots of knowledgeable folks here who'll be happy to give you some pointers :)
 
Make the burger yourself :D then you can measure everything perfectly. Get a food scale if you don't have one already and weigh your food AND measure condiments.
 
@CFC, so you think the gains wouldn't be that much better if i increased the dose? I guess it's really just my "OCD" around the testosterone dose not being what i intended it to be by the time i was injecting it, as testosterone was what i was focused on using. But upon continued reading, eq seems like it's pretty well suited for my desired goals. To reiterate, my goal is to gain ~10lbs lean mass that can be maintained post-cycle, preferably while maintaining relatively low BF throughout.

How much test e would you say 250mg eq would be equivalent to? Not sure if that question even makes sense, as i think eq alone and eq with test would have different results, but if you had some vague ballpark estimate, i'd be interested to hear it.

@Serotonin, yes i will try to start tracking my diet in greater detail. I've had pretty good success mentally tracking calories, carbs, and protein up to this point (pre-cycle), but it makes sense to dial in such a fundamental aspect of training even further, especially because i haven't done a truly clean bulk before.
 
It's really important you do so otherwise you might end up under eating. Then the gear and training will yield suplex sub parts results. Or when gains stop, you know that X amount of food works so you can bump intake to keep things progressing. Gives you a tangible, empirical amount that you can modify instead of an arbitrary eyeball amount.
 
ElkHorn said:
@CFC, so you think the gains wouldn't be that much better if i increased the dose?
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No. If dose was even the main factor limiting size, everyone would be fucking huge and gains would never stop. The reality is you're always fighting homeostasis, and that involves a complex interplay of (at least) hundreds of mechanisms in the body that aren't under the control of AAS levels and that will work to reverse the advantage the AAS brings. The most sustainable gains are those added slow and steady over years, so junking everything in on a short cycle is pointless. Just be sensible and healthy, keep doses low, keep at it for years if that's what you want, and most of all figure out how to eat properly so you can gain and hold it after.
 
Ended up pinning 1mL today, so 200 test e and 200 eq. Feeling conflicted about staying low and trying to get as much out of this as possible.

Today was the 4th day since initial pin, and i took ~0.4mg anastrazole (slightly less than half a tab). I'm worried that it may have crashed my estrogen too low? Felt a bit light headed at the end of my workout, and i seem to be more emotional about being rejected by my ex on NYE all of a sudden. Going to try to get my blood taken tomorrow to get a better read on things.

Got a very solid lift in though, and it seemed like my pump was harder than normal. Also been tracking all of my macronutrients. Will post the summary of the day after i eat dinner tonight.
 
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