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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Hey everyone!

Just wanted to extend a sincere thank you to all the posters, moderators in this thread for the countless amount of what I view as "life saving" information they provide :)

After a 12+ year opiate habit, the last 5 of which were Suboxone "maintenance", I wasn't sure if I would be strong enough to kick it on my own. But here comes Kratom, like a gift from the gods, to seriously alleviate (borderline ELIMINATE!) acute WD symptoms

Seems like 6 g's of Red Bali, every 4 hours or so, does the trick

Anyway, thanks again for all the insight and for helping me discover this amazing plant!
 
Cozzie Jeraph said:
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the potency/quality in kratom has gone down ever since the pre ban scare. At one point I was dependent on it, taking four table spoons a day of red MD. I jumped off that train cold turkey, then a couple months later started taking it once or twice a week max. The thing is, it just doesn't seem to work like it used to for me, even when mixing with extracts.

I talked to my supplier and he thinks I am taking too much, claiming they are very potent strains which is where the whole "less is more theory" comes into play. He gave me a ton of free samples so I can't complain, but can someone please give me some insight into the less is more theory? It never used to be like that, at least not with the kratom I used to get. And is there such a thing as a permanent kratom tolerance in your opinion? Thanks
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Sounds more like you're finally over the honeymoon period of the kratom's opioid like effects and now more tolerant? Even without having any dependency tolerance can stick around in small, annoying subtle ways.
 
Like I said above, I would normally take 8-10 grams of crushed leaf powder per dose. Sometimes more. But, I just recently cut it down to 5G at a time, and I get a better feeling from it. It feels more euphoric and like I can get stuff done and makes me social etc, which is why I use it anyway for the most part. It just feels better to take less, it's very strange I know. Try it out. Maybe cut your usual dose in half and try it. Just play around to find an optimal dose. You'll be surprised I bet. Again, this goes against every other drug I've ever taken lol. So weird. And I think there is a permanent tolerance to kratom but I don't think it's as bad as with hydro or oxy. Like I finally got some hydro's yesterday and had to take 75 mg to feel anything. Haven't had any other opiate besides kratom (if it is one) in a few months. With kratom I don't see me ever going below 3-4mg even after a tolerance break. Bu that's not too bad. It's cheap when it's kratom. Hydro/oxy on the other hand... crazy expensive! Hope this helps. Peace,
 
I'm new and don't know how topost, sorry guys..So here's my story/question. I'm 38 now if age has to do with anything and always have been active. After my second daughter I had issues. Got diagnosed with fibromyalgia and Rheumatoid arthritis. So after trying all kinds of meds , mind you I worked for a Dr at the time, no results I got put on Norco 10 6 x day for 4 years. That stopped working so he added oxy 3 x a day on top of what I was taking.I was taking that for about a year. One morning I woke up and my daughter asked for breakfast I asked her to wait 30 min after I took my meds she started crying she really didn't eat night before. All of a sudden I got really mad at myself and threw all my meds that I just got refilled down the toilet. I went through 14 days of PURE HELL. I thought I was dying for real. Finally after that clarity set in and I left my kids dad, he didn't help me once when was going through that, not only reason though. two years later my RA symptom's were off the charts I was hurting all the time instead of just having flare ups. So I decided to go to my doc again and talk out options. Within 2 yrs I went from 3 Norco a day to taking 8-10. I've never bought off the street till now. Yup I have a huge issue now. So I was told about suboxone, someone who did it and said with that x 4 days then kratom id be good. After our Metallica concert I started suboxone 12mg. After two days I weaned down I think about 12 days. 3 days after that withdrawals started. I haven't had anything since June 23 of this year given its not quite as severe as last time. Don't get me wrong this has been horrible but I've managed without crying but maybe once or twice, not sleeping all through the night. My fiancé now has been pretty supportive except I had a few potty mouth times. But I have been taking supplements, Gatorade, I can eat fine, I'm still really weak and my neck and muscles still ache pretty bad to the point I don't want to do anything, my neck and limbs just hurt they feel so heavy. I've gone to the park and walk most days forcing myself but after that even taking a shower is a chore. Shouldn't this be gone by now, at least the physical part? Mentally I'm good now. I've had Norco this whole time and never took any, nor do I want it. The physical is my problem, its not the RA either and I think the fibro was misdiagnosed honestly. How much longer do I have for the physical, its slightly better than two days ago but geez. Any advice would be appreciated.. And just an fyi ive never posted but both times ive gone through this ive read all of yalls stories over and over again even ones from years ago they do help us that's been my greatest support. Yall do good work guys!!!
 
not looking for any sources whatsoever - but is Kratom still available in the Uk or was it smited by the might NPS blanket ban? ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽
 
I accidentally left a bag of Kratom in my car ~ 6 months ago. It slid under the seat and was forgotten about until I rediscovered it last week.

My car is always parked outside in direct sunlight. It has been 90 to 110 F here for quite some time. Inside temperature of my car must have been very very hot on many days over the last couple months. So this poor bag of Kratom has been subjected to quite a bit of heat abuse.

Last couple of days I compared the effects of this bag to another bag from the same batch. Both bags are the same strain and were purchased from the same vendor at the same time (I usually buy 4 of the same bag at a time from this vendor). One bag sat in my car all this time and the other has been in my closet.

The bag from my car smells a little different. More 'earthy' I guess? Not mouldy just different somehow.

But I can't tell any difference in effects between the two. Not all that surprising really... It's grown in tropical places and people boil the shit out of it to make tea without much notice of degradation.
 
keeping said:
not looking for any sources whatsoever - but is Kratom still available in the Uk or was it smited by the might NPS blanket ban? ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽
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Although we don't discuss legal topics on BL, it was my understanding that your NPS did in fact ban it. You might want to PM some of your U.K. breatheren about this question though.
 
trying to find the best strain of kratom for a nice stimulant and pain relief. i have been thinking about mixing white vein and red vein maeng da. if anyone has any inputs let me know. thank you
 
I love white borneo for those effects, but the place you get it from is more important than the actual strain.

As reminder though, we can't discuss sources on BL
 
Best type of Kratom for an oxycodone euphoria effect?

Please be gentle! I’m really new and haven’t talked to anyone about this before. I started using oxycodone, and when I ran out I started noticing this sort of obsession that was unusual for my personality (I was trying to find any way I could to get a prescription for them), and this freaked me out. So I was looking online for literally anything that would give me 1/1,000th of the euphoric-but-relaxed effect but not going to make me this sort of scarily obsessed thing. I was looking at red maeng da? But I don’t know. What do you think?
 
You should find the info you're looking for in this thread. Let us know if you don't find what you're looking for.

You can also use google, erowid, even reddit to learn more.

The only issue with kratom is that there is only limited info out there about specific strains of the stuff, and a lot of misinformation. In my limited experience Maeng Da is better than other varieties I've tried, but it can be really hit or miss with some brands.
 
^ red maeng da is considered to be a reliable type for those seeking a more "downer" effect. Just a warning: if you're using oxy as your basis of comparison, you will invariably find yourself wanting more. Put as much time between dosing oxy and kratom as you can; kratom works best when your receptors haven't been tickled with for a while.
 
^good reminder about waiting as long as possible before trying kratom.

Without a serious habit, I think I am able to fully enjoy kratom within a couple weeks of cessation of opioid use. But going directly from other opioid to kratom use will likely prove disappointing. Kratom is a lot weaker and less useful than most full agonist opioids like oxycodone. Not to say it is worthless, cause it's definitely not, but it is of very limited value if you're tolerant to opioids.
 
So I took a 10 month break from Kratom and now my tolerance went WAY down which is great, but the problem is that between today, yesterday and the day before I can't really seem to get a good energetic high off it anymore which is really pissing me off.

I mean I can feel it but it's just not really giving me the same kind of a stimulant feel I like, more of just a very dull light lazy buzz that's not all that satisfying.

I guess the problem is that I don't really know what my sweet spot is anymore because it had been all the way up at freaking 16 grams a dose, and now I know it's very low...but I can't tell what the right dose is as I've gone as low as 2 grams and as high as 8 and none of those doses feel right.

It seems like it is still possible to get the kind of feel I want as yesterday just for a mere 10 minutes as my first dose was starting to take effect I had the exact feeling I like but it only lasted for 10 minutes before it gave way to a less pleasant feeling and the euphoria died.

Has anyone else experienced this kind of thing after a long break from Kratom where you weren't quite getting the feeling you wanted anymore and if so, were you able to get that feeling back (and if so how)?

Could experimenting with different strains instead of just the Green Malay I've been using help?

Thanks
 
Mycophile said:
So I took a 10 month break from Kratom and now my tolerance went WAY down which is great, but the problem is that between today, yesterday and the day before I can't really seem to get a good energetic high off it anymore which is really pissing me off.

I mean I can feel it but it's just not really giving me the same kind of a stimulant feel I like, more of just a very dull light lazy buzz that's not all that satisfying.

I guess the problem is that I don't really know what my sweet spot is anymore because it had been all the way up at freaking 16 grams a dose, and now I know it's very low...but I can't tell what the right dose is as I've gone as low as 2 grams and as high as 8 and none of those doses feel right.

It seems like it is still possible to get the kind of feel I want as yesterday just for a mere 10 minutes as my first dose was starting to take effect I had the exact feeling I like but it only lasted for 10 minutes before it gave way to a less pleasant feeling and the euphoria died.

Has anyone else experienced this kind of thing after a long break from Kratom where you weren't quite getting the feeling you wanted anymore and if so, were you able to get that feeling back (and if so how)?

Could experimenting with different strains instead of just the Green Malay I've been using help?

Thanks
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Is it possible that the bag you have just isn't that "fire"?
 
CfZrx said:
Is it possible that the bag you have just isn't that "fire"?
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Well it's the same stuff I've used before and it always worked well so that shouldn't be why.

I just ordered some other strains so maybe those will be better.

I've also been really worked up all day, like got super pissed off at some guy online who thinks Kratom should be illegal LOL, and got WAY more annoyed and obsessed over that than I would normally...so I'm not sure if irritability is a side effect. Anyone here ever get irritable from Kratom?

I don't know, but I really hope it starts working again like it used to.

Maybe it will just take a while to figure out my sweet spot again?

What would you guys suggest to get it working well for me again?
 
I never found green strains very stimulating. White strains are where I found that, and reds were a happy medium between the two.
 
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