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OT: What is this Pocahontas business about? Also, the retweet of those anti-muslim videos is in pretty poor taste.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders

"Whether it's a real video, the threat is real," she said.

"I think it's important to talk about national security and national security threats. The president sees different things to be national security threats, and he sees having strong borders as being one of the things that helps protect people in this country from some real threats that we face."
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Rather telling that the whitehouse spokesperson won't even speak to the veracity of the videos in question...
 
JahSEEuS said:
OT: What is this Pocahontas business about?
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Trump honored the Navajo Code Talkers yesterday at the White House (a language so complex the Axis was never able to crack it) and Trump couldn't resist getting in a jab at Senator Elizabeth Warren: "You're very very special people. You were here long before any of us were here. Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas. But you know what? I like you. Because you are special."
 
^I only saw one of the videos, but it was a migrant in Europe sadistically beating up on a native kid on crutches. I don't think he should tweet this stuff, but honeslty I think at this point a lot of this is to run cover, so the press will cover it and not something else. He made a joke about senator Elizabeth Warren at an event honoring he code talker Indians from WW2. It was in poor taste as well, but I do like that he's calling attention to this ultimately. She told Harvard she was of indian heritage to get a minority professor gig at Harvard in the 90s, paid like 500k a year for one class. She has never substantiated that she has native blood, other than saying something about her grandmother saying she looked Native amerIcan, or something of that nature. I think the ownus is on her to prove she didn't fraudulently attain that position.
 
Droppersneck said:
It was in poor taste
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Agreed

Droppersneck said:
She told Harvard she was of indian heritage to get a minority professor gig at Harvard in the 90s, paid like 500k a year for one class. She has never substantiated that she has native blood, other than saying something about her grandmother saying she looked Native amerIcan, or something of that nature. I think the ownus is on her to prove she didn't fraudulently attain that position.
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This may be the case (maybe she'll take an Ancestry DNA test like I did and put this to rest once and for all) but an event honoring some of our most heroic veterans was not the appropriate venue to address that issue. Not only did the President of the Navajo Nation call this "culturally insensitive," he went on to say, "In this day and age, all tribal nations still battle insensitive cultural references to our people." Oh, and it's spelled "onus."
 
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Droppersneck said:
^I only saw one of the videos, but it was a migrant in Europe sadistically beating up on a native kid on crutches. I don't think he should tweet this stuff, but honeslty I think at this point a lot of this is to run cover, so the press will cover it and not something else. He made a joke about senator Elizabeth Warren at an event honoring he code talker Indians from WW2. It was in poor taste as well, but I do like that he's calling attention to this ultimately. She told Harvard she was of indian heritage to get a minority professor gig at Harvard in the 90s, paid like 500k a year for one class. She has never substantiated that she has native blood, other than saying something about her grandmother saying she looked Native amerIcan, or something of that nature. I think the ownus is on her to prove she didn't fraudulently attain that position.
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Trump faked his heritage just like he's accusing Warren of doing

that said:
Shortly after World War II, Donald Trump's father Fred falsely claimed their family was Swedish, hiding their German heritage to avoid any problems selling apartments to Jewish customers, the Boston Globe reported last year. Donald Trump was still claiming Swedish heritage as late as his 1987 book "Art of the Deal," in which he writes that his grandfather came to the U.S. from Sweden.
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After President Trump called Sen. Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" at an event honoring Navajo Code Talkers, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders defended him saying, "I think what most people find offensive is Elizabeth Warren lying about her heritage to advance her career."
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(my emphasis)

droppers, will you join me in condemning trump for also lying about his heritage and for his hypocrisy here? logic would dictate that you do and i know you value logic.

alasdair
 
JahSEEuS said:
OT: What is this Pocahontas business about? Also, the retweet of those anti-muslim videos is in pretty poor taste.



Rather telling that the whitehouse spokesperson won't even speak to the veracity of the videos in question...
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aihfl just explained the Pocahontas thing so I'll leave that be. Huckabee Sanders is the fucking worst. At least Spicer had the decency to look surprised at the things coming out of his mouth sometimes.

spacejunk said:
Great post, thanks for that.
I wonder if it was the affordable healthcare thing that tipped him, with your mother being sick?

I've been wondering what it will take for his really vocal supporters, but it had always been a tribal thing for a lot of them.
Like a football team or something. Loyalty is great, but unconditional loyalty towards people that are fucking you over is some dangerous shit.
I hope there are lots of other people like your brother.

There are some interesting twitter bots that repost any tweets that mention regretting voting for him (#trumpregrets i think) - and it seems like a lot of people feel burned. But i guess that makes sense - they have been burned.

It's the people you only see once a year at family gatherings - or the "will support trump even after he is convicted of child cannibalism" type trumper - that aren't worth bothering with, i reckon.
I mean, your brother sounds maybe misguided, but not completely full of shit. That's the difference IMO
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Thanks, SJ. I do believe the timing of our mother's health with the attempted ACA repeals might be the driving force to change his mind. It's shitty enough being in those doctors' rooms dealing with a parent's declining health and it's got to feel worse if you have even an inkling that a conscious choice you made might make it worse down the road. I never said a word to him about it because I know it's easy to connect those dots when it's staring you in the face. If he was just an asshole, I would have screamed in face for all of eternity. Some people won't be swayed due to tribalism or stubbornness on whatever the issue may be and whatever 'side' they are on of said issue. There are true believers and people who vote out of ignorance (again, on whatever 'side' they are on) and everything in between. In my experience, people (including myself in some cases) sometimes will only care about something once it affects them or someone close to them. Humans are dicks. ;)

JahSEEuS said:
I think this is what is most important. I think that is what made me think that article was so off-putting. There are good people out there with different views, and the only way for us to make this a better place is to discuss the issues.

You might not change their mind over a meal, but it is the beginning to a better place. A place of even ground, understanding, and change (between both parties). I will say that I have learned much from many of the different people I have met, and it often started over a shared meal or beverage.
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You got it, man. I have been blessed to know people from all walks of life and help put things in perspective. The work you do on yourself has to be constant. My brother has been successfully raising two small humans and he's doing a great job with it all while circumstances haven't often been great. I'd be hard pressed or completely unable to do the same. We have not always had the best of relationships (probably the smallest issue being our political views) but we need each other and it's helped us get closer and come back to being brothers. I don't need or want him to be more similar than different than me. I don't need or want him to vote the way I do if that's not where his conscience leads him. I'm just happy he did a little self-reflection, thought about his choice, and given more facts and time, was able to swallow a little pride and admit that (in his own opinion) he made a mistake. It's no small thing to admit a mistake/change of mind sometimes. We are now listening to each other and learning from each other and figuring out our common ground.

Droppersneck said:
This seems like a virtue signaling post, but I'll bite. So you think it's bc your brother is blue collar and didn't go to college? That he voted for trump. Sadly that doesn't always indicate political leanings. I have my BS from a good school and work for a tech company, and am MAGA all the way. I'm also not racist, and despise people that are. Everyone at my company voted trump, including our Sri Lankan programmer. We certainly don't agree with him on everything, especially some of the cringe tweets, but he sure as hell beats Hillary or any other globalist candidate they threw at us. Everyone sees things through a different lense, often shaped by our experiences, and some of us have a more logical approach which doesn't lend itself well to the hypersensitivity of this outrage culture we currently live in. My theory is it's a right brain/ left brain thing. I don't think you will ever change things with him, but I have found that if a person is decently intelligent, and you come at them on an individual basis, one issue at a time, you can come to a reasonable agreement more often than not.
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You either have zero reading comprehension skills and/or are trolling if that's what you took away from my post. Unless things have changed, this isn't the forum for either of those, so I'm not going to perpetuate a circular conversation that adds nothing to this thread or forum. I've got nothing against you and we've always gotten along pretty well (imo) and I really don't care about any drama that apparently went down in my long absence from the board but I just don't have the energy to argue about a post that looks like t_d madlibs. Maybe that's on me. I'm okay with it. To paraphrase the greatest Christmas movie of all time, "Come out to The Lounge, we'll have a few laughs." If not, take care, bud. :)
 
Fresco said:
Jeezus you Lefties are a bunch of whiners. Trump made one little joke near the end of his meeting with Navajos and you guys are having a total meltdown. Get a sense of humor already
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There is a time and place for jokes and this wasn't one of them.
 
^ indeed.

Fresco said:
Jeezus you Lefties are a bunch of whiners. Trump made one little joke near the end of his meeting with Navajos and you guys are having a total meltdown. Get a sense of humor already
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i don't see anybody having a total meltdown. what are you talking about?

he made a crass and, for many, inappropriate comment turning a ceremony honoring others into yet another story about himself and racial insensitivity. i think it's fine to discuss that in a thread about his presidency.

alasdair
 
EbowTheLetter said:
aihfl just explained the Pocahontas thing so I'll leave that be. Huckabee Sanders is the fucking worst. At least Spicer had the decency to look surprised at the things coming out of his mouth sometimes.



Thanks, SJ. I do believe the timing of our mother's health with the attempted ACA repeals might be the driving force to change his mind. It's shitty enough being in those doctors' rooms dealing with a parent's declining health and it's got to feel worse if you have even an inkling that a conscious choice you made might make it worse down the road. I never said a word to him about it because I know it's easy to connect those dots when it's staring you in the face. If he was just an asshole, I would have screamed in face for all of eternity. Some people won't be swayed due to tribalism or stubbornness on whatever the issue may be and whatever 'side' they are on of said issue. There are true believers and people who vote out of ignorance (again, on whatever 'side' they are on) and everything in between. In my experience, people (including myself in some cases) sometimes will only care about something once it affects them or someone close to them. Humans are dicks. ;)



You got it, man. I have been blessed to know people from all walks of life and help put things in perspective. The work you do on yourself has to be constant. My brother has been successfully raising two small humans and he's doing a great job with it all while circumstances haven't often been great. I'd be hard pressed or completely unable to do the same. We have not always had the best of relationships (probably the smallest issue being our political views) but we need each other and it's helped us get closer and come back to being brothers. I don't need or want him to be more similar than different than me. I don't need or want him to vote the way I do if that's not where his conscience leads him. I'm just happy he did a little self-reflection, thought about his choice, and given more facts and time, was able to swallow a little pride and admit that (in his own opinion) he made a mistake. It's no small thing to admit a mistake/change of mind sometimes. We are now listening to each other and learning from each other and figuring out our common ground.



You either have zero reading comprehension skills and/or are trolling if that's what you took away from my post. Unless things have changed, this isn't the forum for either of those, so I'm not going to perpetuate a circular conversation that adds nothing to this thread or forum. I've got nothing against you and we've always gotten along pretty well (imo) and I really don't care about any drama that apparently went down in my long absence from the board but I just don't have the energy to argue about a post that looks like t_d madlibs. Maybe that's on me. I'm okay with it. To paraphrase the greatest Christmas movie of all time, "Come out to The Lounge, we'll have a few laughs." If not, take care, bud. :)
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Sorry bro wasn't trying to come off that way. I always did and do like you as a poster, nothing's changed. I guess the bulk of what I failed to illustrate, was your view of your brother and what he believes appears to be very condescending. I never claim to know everything and would never claim to know what policies our country should follow, though I've got opinions :) I say that, realizing that what seems right in your heart, doesn't always translate to the correct policy for a healthy sustainable country/economy.
 
it's pretty clear he was stating an opinion. he didn't try to suggest - or even imply - that it was somehow objectively a matter of fact.

you think his (trump's) comment was a harmless joke. it's pretty obvious you're just stating your opinion too. consider extending him the same common courtesy?

alasdair
 
Fresco said:
I was referring to whomever on this forum thought what he said was offensive, which was highly fed by the left-leaning MSM
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so now you're moving the goalposts? now they just find what he said offensive? fair enough. many do. that's a lot different to having a "total meltdown".

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
you think his (trump's) comment was a harmless joke. it's pretty obvious you're just stating your opinion too
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Right, which was exactly my point

alasdairm said:
so now you're moving the goalposts? now they just find what he said offensive? fair enough. many do. that's a lot different to having a "total meltdown".
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The media is most definitely having a (fake) meltdown over all this. Anyone with half a brain can tell Trump isnt making fun of native-Indians, he's making fun of Sen. Warren who faked being a native Indian just so she could get into Harvard.

All (or most of this) is fake outrage, almost everybody pretending to be offended at 'Pocahantes' statement are white Liberals.

It is highly amusing to watch :D
 
You know what I really hate guys, is you can't tell a joke without so many people getting offended.

And before you say a joke is inappropiate or offensive, who exactly gets to decide whats inappropiate or offensive??
 
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