Terror attack in NYC involving truck.
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Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
With all due respect, I don't think anyone has suggested Islam isn't a motivating factor. It's just not the entire explanation. Yes, radical Islam ideology is bad, no doubt. But what else is going on, what is these people's baseline mental/emotional state that causes them to accept such a doctrine in the first place? Surely there are many, many people who choose not to accept that doctrine too. A radical minority does not define an entire religion. Islam is just a mechanism by which that sort of ideology is justified, the same as it usually is. Christianity has done it, continues to do it today in some cases. Excessive nationalism is another way it is commonly justified.
It does nothing and no one any good to react blindly to a concept such that you cease to be aware of or pay attention to the whole picture. Radical Islamists believe what they're doing is right, the same as everyone else. It is false and even damaging to view them as the "evil ones" or whatever, and try to explain it that way. The real boogeyman is the aspect of our nature that allows it to happen, and it is a lack of understanding of that which allows it to happen again and again throughout history and cultures.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
I make no comment on any one's religion or their quality of observance...im commenting on the difference in coverage between fox and msnbc...you goose!
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
Mr. 997 mentioned LEDs brainwashing Americans, confusing Mr. Swillow, who asked what he meant. I answered with how I think he meant TV screens, and a false flag thing, as Mr. 997 has been known to believe happen. Right there in my second line I say this. Post #4 I think, so not so deep as to lose track of the conversation.
I'm also getting annoyed that I'm the one who needs to put down paraphernalia lately. I thought BL's common theme is that we're all either now or in the past, drug users? Who don't pull shit like that to shut down an argument? FFS, I hope most of you are high every time you post. Having the same "black people/muslims/women are actually human beings" argument every other thread isn't what a politics forum is supposed to do.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
Goddammit, Jesus Christ, Bless your heart. How about Cross my fingers, or knock on wood? The last two distorted through a media filter sound genuinely scary. What do they mean? Well, the Cross is the torture device the Westerners "prophet" was executed on. Knocking on a tree makes the sound travel down the roots, where they believe a devil lives. Some kind of communication with an evil being. Anyone who uses these phrases, ever, is a radical christian. Liberals like to point out that those phrases appear nowhere in their holy texts, and some in fact are blasphemous, but we should arrest anyone who speaks after a sneeze, to be safe.
I wonder what people'd do if he yelled the equivalent of "holy shit! get out of the way! Oh Jesus, the brakes are out! Move people, for the Love of God, get out of the way!"
i don't see anybody here doing that. reports suggest that he shouted "allah 'akbar" and left a note in arabic suggesting isis was a motivating factor. islam was clearly a factor.
simply asking questions about the attack isn't discounting islam as a factor. indeed, you seem so focused on islam that you seem, somewhat ironically, unwilling to entertain discussion of other factors...
alasdair
When multiple attacks have occurred where the perpetrators have all shouted Allahu Akbar it tends to suggest a common theme in the motivations behind those attacks. It's really not difficult to follow that line of thought is it. They could shout whatever they want or remain silent, but all choosing to utter the same phrase is not a coincidence. Not sure what other point you were trying to make in your post - if you want to get high and write that's great but don't get upset if what you wrote gets misinterpreted because you're on a different wavelength to others. It doesn't even need stating to be honest, no one was judging you though.
I don't know man, I think people want to complicate an issue that isn't actually that complex. Yes Islam isn't the only factor at play in the mental apparatus of these individuals but it's one of the biggest factors as it offers up a complete worldview through which to view and act.. when someone devotes that much time and energy to following a certain script and particular patterns of behavior it closes certain avenues and opens others in ones mind. It's hypnosis. The major defect in this particular hypnosis is there are multiple references and statements in the holy book that prescribe the views one should observe and actions one should take, views and actions which just happen to involve violence. People keep saying its a religion of peace.. it really is not. It's a political ideology more than anything. Regardless, when the main source of mental conditioning offers up violent inspiration it is going to take hold in individuals who have weak moral constitutions. Not everyone who follows Islam is a potential terrorist, but the guidance on views and actions more than lays the foundation for that realm of behavior to arise in people.
People from other religions do commit violence, it's not like I'm trying to single Islam out. I have no particular grudge against it, unjust reason to bash it more than others, or spare anger that needs directing to a target. I just see no point in denying what is essentially very obvious and apparent with this particular religion. I don't think my view is extreme or unbalanced to be honest, despite the protestations of people here and the liberal media circus in the real world, and I don't see why I should be tolerant towards a religion that is fundamentally intolerant towards tenets of our society and people it disagrees with (fascism anyone?).
Look at the views of so called moderate Muslims in regards to homosexuality for instance. If that percentage feel that way on that issue is it really so hard to understand why so many followers get sucked into the more radical avenues? The percentage that want Sharia law, despite claiming they love their liberal non-sharia host nation. The religion makes it very easy to slip down the route of far-right, radical views and set up those mental gymnastics that allow for the mass murder of innocent people. You can argue that the religion offers up solutions for peace too but this is irrelevant at a time when the overwhelming mass of followers hold the more intolerant (by our standards) beliefs. The zeitgeist of Islam is not in the same condition as that of Christianity which has been through its dark times and reformed - there is still a dark cloud hanging over Islam right now and I don't see why we should tangle ourselves up hoping it will reform on our behalf, because it's likely it won't and will just cripple us instead.
a thought experiment: if i decided to walk into times square tomorrow and shoot people saying "i am doing this in the name of -=SS=- on bluelight", to what extend would you be culpable?
alasdair
alasdair
Don't forget charlottesville...
Scrofula was being facetious, but can we please leave out value judgements based on presumed drug use?
This is bluelight; we don't judge people for that here.
My brother uses that pathFortunately he was not one of those affected
Man, that's scary - i'm glad he's ok.
It's pretty frightening when you have loved ones in places affected by things like this. My sister was about 2 miles from the pentagon on 11 sept 01, and heard the impact, etc.
It's a ghastly business - but frankly, i think this is the right sentiment:
I know everyone gets a little caught up in events like this (it's a bit hard not to, especially in the 24 hour tabloid news cycle) but what else is a mayor to say? "Ok people, it's every man for himself - get your pitchforks, we're getting our revenge!"?
Of course not. There is nothing to see - some people were murdered in new york city.
I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of it - and i'm not - but there really is nothing any of us can do except get on with our lives and try not to get too caught up in the fear and hatred these sorts of attacks attempt to provoke.
That is, after all, exactly what the terrorist want - and why would we want to give them what they are after?
Putting words in my mouth, oh words in my mouth.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
I do most of my posting after an evening beer. I can tell my level of intoxication based upon the level of cringe I produce upon reading my madness the next morning. Pass the kratom and cbd...i got some work left before I humiliate myself later (drink a beer, watch tv-based entertainment/newsey type show, post on bluelight.)
David Wooderson
Bluelighter
Hopefully the president puts an end to the diversity visa lottery.
This is truly terrible, I remember long before 9/11 my 6th grade teacher showing a video on muslim terrorism and the ending message of the documentary was that there would be attacks everywhere all the time, it scared the hell out of me then and in the past few years that video has become a reality.
qft
This is truly terrible, I remember long before 9/11 my 6th grade teacher showing a video on muslim terrorism and the ending message of the documentary was that there would be attacks everywhere all the time, it scared the hell out of me then and in the past few years that video has become a reality.
qft
the contrast in trump's response to vegas and his response to this is quite something...
alasdair
alasdair
Yeah, it's disturbing the way murders are judged in seriousness according to the ethnicity of the perp.
I can't really think of a clearer example of insitutionalised racism.
White guy shoots into a crowd at a music festival, killing 50+ and injuring hudreds = "lone wolf"
White neo-nazi drives car into a crowd of protesters, killing one, injuring many = trump lays blame on "both sides" praises "good people" involved in nazi rally.
The president refuses to call the man or his associates terrorists, despite them using ISIS methods to kill people.
Muslim guy drives car into cyclists and traffic, killing 8 and injuring many = terrorist, widespread condemnation and the usual comments exploiting this tragedy to push anti-immigration line, and support trump's unconstitutional travel bans.
What happened in new york is fucking disgusting, and must be strongly condemned (as it has been).
But the response (in relation to other tragedies) is a disgrace.
It has never been more demonstrable that the way "terrorism" is defined by the establishment has more to do with the ethnic and cultural background of the killer than the act itself, even when an organised terrorist group uses the tactics of another terrorist group (using a car as a weapon in a crowded space).
The so-called war on terror is a racist war.
I guess trump supporters got the race war they wanted all along then?
I can't really think of a clearer example of insitutionalised racism.
White guy shoots into a crowd at a music festival, killing 50+ and injuring hudreds = "lone wolf"
White neo-nazi drives car into a crowd of protesters, killing one, injuring many = trump lays blame on "both sides" praises "good people" involved in nazi rally.
The president refuses to call the man or his associates terrorists, despite them using ISIS methods to kill people.
Muslim guy drives car into cyclists and traffic, killing 8 and injuring many = terrorist, widespread condemnation and the usual comments exploiting this tragedy to push anti-immigration line, and support trump's unconstitutional travel bans.
What happened in new york is fucking disgusting, and must be strongly condemned (as it has been).
But the response (in relation to other tragedies) is a disgrace.
It has never been more demonstrable that the way "terrorism" is defined by the establishment has more to do with the ethnic and cultural background of the killer than the act itself, even when an organised terrorist group uses the tactics of another terrorist group (using a car as a weapon in a crowded space).
The so-called war on terror is a racist war.
I guess trump supporters got the race war they wanted all along then?
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Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
I swear to ALLAH I did not go to Wikipedia to say the Uzbek leaders name is Islam Karminov. I've been into the stans for nearly 2 decades now. Wow I feel old now.
David Wooderson
Bluelighter
You seem to judge very highly based on internet reports and MSM, you're not American nor do you live here, why do you care so much?
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
What are you actually talking about?
I work amongst the great unwashed of the Midwest every day....I know what people are saying. No one said shit about this. Do you know I wear a taqayah? It's my yamika. Im bearded too.
Ps...only once in the two and half years working in this part of the world with these people (I could mean my Jewish owners aka boss or my native crew actually makes no difference) did I have to explain Im not a terrorist, tell the customer to stfu) did I even have to explain it's just a yamika. Most people seem overly nice to me.
one but me or the people on the radio said a word...I didnt say a word, rather I had my thoughts which was to screen for how the people on the radio said the President was thinking. ?
I work amongst the great unwashed of the Midwest every day....I know what people are saying. No one said shit about this. Do you know I wear a taqayah? It's my yamika. Im bearded too.
Ps...only once in the two and half years working in this part of the world with these people (I could mean my Jewish owners aka boss or my native crew actually makes no difference) did I have to explain Im not a terrorist, tell the customer to stfu) did I even have to explain it's just a yamika. Most people seem overly nice to me.
one but me or the people on the radio said a word...I didnt say a word, rather I had my thoughts which was to screen for how the people on the radio said the President was thinking. ?
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
Hah...bad edit....last bit was meant to reference me studying media opinion as I work.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
You said, "And the led manipulation of the American people and their tax dollars continues..."
Mr. Swillow asked, "meaning what?"
And I said, probably "led" means "light-emitting diode" as in TV screens. Manipulation by TV using tax dollars, ie., by the government.
You leave an intentionally cryptic comment, basically asking someone to follow up, and when I guess you meant "false flag" you say I was putting words in your mouth.
It wasn't even facetious, it was a goddamned guess at what you meant.
And then OP says I'm putting a meth pipe in my mouth.
Lessee what SS has for me, nothing I'll put in my mouth:
Me, upon seeing what the cat just threw up, "holy jeesus, the fuck just came out of you?!?"
My neighbor, upon seeing that, "mother of god I think it's moving."
Conclusion by SS: "the cat threw up because of a belief in radical christianity. Two people both used the English word for their god, not a coincidence."
Hopefully you can follow that line to my conclusion: your logic is fucking flawed. (I hope you realize that Jesus wasn't there for real, or his mother, and there wasn't any fucking.)
I got annoyed when OP assumed my false-flag post was methed-out drivel, when I was just guessing what a different poster meant, no wavelengths involved.
Other members lately like to pull out the drunk/high card when they can't answer a question, not because of any wavelength problems.
But Jesus Haploid Christ, my points, it's not hard to follow, Mr. SS "OK? Understand? Comprende?"
- "Oh God!" =/= "god made me do this"
- A memo about ISIS =/= guy was part of ISIS
- Hypocrites: right-wingers who scolded people for politicizing Vegas
right-wingers who scream "constitution!" at the thought of gun control, but not the 4th amendment violations of the Patriot Act.
Sorry, getting complex again? Figurative language? It's OK, no one read this far anyway.
I'm not aware of what you look like, but i'm not sure why you brought that up anyway; i wasn't addressing you.
I'm talking about trump's double standards.
And the comment about "trump supporters" wanting a race war, i'm referring to the hard right end of his support base who are pushing for the USA to be a "white ethnostate". These people love islamic terrorist attacks, because it gives them an opportunity to lecture people about how we need to halt immigration, ostracise muslims and so forth.
To those people, the victims' suffering is just another emotive leverage point - they don't care that people were killed.
This is obvious if you hold up the response to the other 2 incidents i mentioned; no knee-jerk reaction from trump's support base about restricting civilians' ability to stockpile arsenals of military weaponry, or about the threat posed by neo-nazi extremists.
There is a massive difference in the responses to these murders, and it appears to be related to race.
Trump's leadership is questionable at the best of times, but it's increasingly clear that he doesn't govern for all americans - he governs for the elite, and is shamelessly racist.
It's a very undignified spectacle, and it's disturbing.