PriestTheyCalledHim
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Terror attack in NYC involving truck.
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Scrofula
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O C'mon, you need some commentary for me to get righteous about.
swilow
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^Meaning?
My condolence s to all effected by this attack. Sad news
My condolence s to all effected by this attack. Sad news
Scrofula
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It's obviously a false flag, of course, spread through light emitting diodes on screens throughout the world.
I think. Is what Mr. 997 meant.
Timing is damn convenient, what with distracting from the under-oath admission that the Trump campaign worked (works?) with the Russian government.
I think. Is what Mr. 997 meant.
Timing is damn convenient, what with distracting from the under-oath admission that the Trump campaign worked (works?) with the Russian government.
Morninggloryseed
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All I can say is I was stunned when msnbc stopped covering 500 killed before end of day and agree its more balanced that fox launched into opinion at yet another "Nothing to see here....move on with your lives" statement from the powers that be there (blasio).
Morninggloryseed
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Wow....STUNNING. I admit....I did not watch much pmsnbc until last nov.....the length they do to downplay his religion......quoting "faithful" from his mosque who say "he doesn't go here much" makes their downplay complete. Brilliant!!
Maybe it's true?
Most muslims i know consider terrorists (and those that sympathise with them) to be traitors to the faith, or whatever.
I mean, the 911 hijackers were out drinking booze the night before the attacks...
Why assume that people that flip out and commit acts of terrorism are always pious devotees?
Presumably the best people to ask would be those who worship in the same mosque?
If you go looking for hidden agendas, you'll see them everywhere. It's called confirmation bias.
Most muslims i know consider terrorists (and those that sympathise with them) to be traitors to the faith, or whatever.
I mean, the 911 hijackers were out drinking booze the night before the attacks...
Why assume that people that flip out and commit acts of terrorism are always pious devotees?
Presumably the best people to ask would be those who worship in the same mosque?
If you go looking for hidden agendas, you'll see them everywhere. It's called confirmation bias.
JessFR
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Not to mention I suspect a lot of radical Islamists feel mainstream mosques aren't nearly extreme enough and avoid them. Seeing them as heretics who betray their idea of the religion because if they didn't, nobody would come and the mosque wouldn't make money from donations.
That tends to be the case with most fringe religious extremists, they hate the mainstream representatives of their own faith feeling they are sellouts refusing to preach the truth because the truth would be unpopular. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they avoided mainstream mosques. Usually extremists find an extreme church or mosque where only the other extremists go and everyone else avoids them. Tends to be the same pattern no matter the underlying religion.
Most people aren't interested in participating in a holy war, and extremists know that. Generally hating such people as much if not even more so than the people who don't follow their religion at all. At least the unbelievers are the cut and dry enemy. Extremists tend to see the moderates of their own faith as traitors. As bad if not worse than the enemy.
That tends to be the case with most fringe religious extremists, they hate the mainstream representatives of their own faith feeling they are sellouts refusing to preach the truth because the truth would be unpopular. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they avoided mainstream mosques. Usually extremists find an extreme church or mosque where only the other extremists go and everyone else avoids them. Tends to be the same pattern no matter the underlying religion.
Most people aren't interested in participating in a holy war, and extremists know that. Generally hating such people as much if not even more so than the people who don't follow their religion at all. At least the unbelievers are the cut and dry enemy. Extremists tend to see the moderates of their own faith as traitors. As bad if not worse than the enemy.
Scrofula
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Maybe if you're a young muslim man, with the misfortune to move from Uzbekistan to Florida, and your neighbors won't stop calling you a terrorist raghead for seven straight years, you might feel like ramming your truck into some people. I do reading this forum.
It's why I have a 17 year old civic.
But I am glad everyone waited until the dead were buried before politicizing this one (it was pretty quiet here)--we won't see any people grieving and getting cash from networks. So, we'll keep two wars going and surrender more civil liberties out of fears of another Uzbeki truck driver. But fuck the 4th amendment, the 2nd is going strong with 19X the death toll and 40X the injured in 9 minutes in Vegas. But why focus on our own white citizens gunning us down first, like black people have to do with their communities before they can complain, we should go bomb the desert some more, till they stop hating us.
It's why I have a 17 year old civic.
But I am glad everyone waited until the dead were buried before politicizing this one (it was pretty quiet here)--we won't see any people grieving and getting cash from networks. So, we'll keep two wars going and surrender more civil liberties out of fears of another Uzbeki truck driver. But fuck the 4th amendment, the 2nd is going strong with 19X the death toll and 40X the injured in 9 minutes in Vegas. But why focus on our own white citizens gunning us down first, like black people have to do with their communities before they can complain, we should go bomb the desert some more, till they stop hating us.
Are you high or are you seriously offering that as an excuse for this mans behavior?
Looking at reasons why people snap and do fucked up, inexcusable shit is not "offering that as an excuse".
It's like when i observe that most fascists are probably bitter because nobody loves them, i'm not making excuses for them, i'm just making a crude observation.
Sociological enquiry of this incident is perfectly legitimate, especially when people deviate this far from social norms and acceptable behavior.
We need to understand what motivates people that do this sort of stuff. Blaming islam and criticising questioning people that dig any deeper is not going to help.
Frankly, it's a cop-out.
It's like when i observe that most fascists are probably bitter because nobody loves them, i'm not making excuses for them, i'm just making a crude observation.
Sociological enquiry of this incident is perfectly legitimate, especially when people deviate this far from social norms and acceptable behavior.
We need to understand what motivates people that do this sort of stuff. Blaming islam and criticising questioning people that dig any deeper is not going to help.
Frankly, it's a cop-out.
JessFR
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Could be both.
It's interesting to me. Society drives me nuts all the fucking time. I have an enormous cynicism for people and a lot of misanthropy. As is evident in many of my posts. But I still can't understand how someone can just go and start killing as many random people as they find. For all my distaste for people, I could never do something like that. I still feel compelled to help people much as they hurt me.
No matter how angry with the world you are, no matter how much I might want to just let people destroy themselves and get what they've got coming... nothing makes it ok to just go and start killing and terrorizing random people. I can't imagine how someone could be so far gone that they think that's ok.
You think that's what God wants?
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Scrofula
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I am seriously offering that as a possible reason for this man's behavior. I'm a little high now, still stand by it.
FFS, white people have been known to drive cars into people here because someone insulted their outfits.
It makes a lot more sense than a global conspiracy of a billion people to slowly invade your neighborhood, SS, and beat up people who cut them off in traffic.
Bagseed
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and, as spacejunk said, violence usually doesn't happen without context. and the refusal of the political right to even look at the wider context is pretty telling...
still, not finding excuses for people who behave violently, but rather as a means to reduce violence in the future.
still, not finding excuses for people who behave violently, but rather as a means to reduce violence in the future.
PriestTheyCalledHim
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I know you're high on meth, but really? Put down the glass pipe, syringe, straw, etc. No it's not a "false flag" or whatever other nonsense conspiracy theorists want to claim it is. Haven't you been paying attention to the news from Nice Southern France, and Berlin at all?
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JessFR
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I don't think he was being serious. Admittedly with scrofula it can be a little hard to tell.
It is when you automatically discount Islam from being a motivating factor in their behaviour. You and others deliberately ring fence it from being included.
All of you can bang on about 'context' all you like but until you accept that Islam may be a motivating factor in these peoples behaviour then I do not believe you are being honest in your appraisal of the situation, and subsequently I think your position is therefore seriously flawed.
People get bullied for their appearance all the time. Either deal with it, get thicker skin, or move. At no point does mass murder become an acceptable response in rational people.
I never said we shouldn't examine all the factors. You and others are the ones who want to automatically ring fence a particular factor, Islam, because you'd rather reach for another explanation that doesn't conflict with your own political narrative.
It's amazing to me how you can be so condescending and critical towards those you perceive to be fascists, yet make such an incredible effort to dodge and twist away from levelling the same at people who are clearly motivated or inspired by an inherently fascist ideology/religion.
Shouting God Is Great after murdering people tends to suggest Islam was a motivating factor or had an internal moral dampening affect on them. Drugs will do that too, otherwise most rational people require serious mental gymnastics to override inherent moral behaviour.