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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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swilow said:
There's definitely something wrong with him. What makes you think dementia?
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The way he speaks and behaves basically. His ability to say something and then claim he never said it. That could probably fit a delusional disorder as well but I'm no psychiatrist.
 
His ability to say something then claim he never said it is simply him being a narcissistic power mad egomaniacal liar.

I highly doubt he has early dementia. Sounds to me like the democrat equivalent to Clinton's fits and seizures.
 
It could be just a cheap shot, like the things said about clinton's health, but sometimes i feel a bit guilty for mocking the guy, because he does seem like he's not well - but what the cause of that is remains to be seen.

Regardless of what is up with trump (or not) i don't think any explanation excuses his actions or behaviour.
 
Even if he does have some kind of organic mental condition beyond his control influencing his behavior. He's still a horrible human being. Such a condition, in the unlikely event that it exists doesn't change that.

But I maintain that I think it's highly unlikely. I've seen nothing that I would call compelling evidence to believe his behavior isn't just trump being trump. The guy can be characterized above all else by his need for control and power. He has a very high self esteem and can't handle anything that suggests he isn't the best most intelligent and most powerful guy in the room.

So if something he said turns out to be wrong, either he'll insist that it's not wrong, or that he never said it to begin with. Whatever he thinks will mean he doesn't look stupid or foolish.

It's pathetic. You can see it in how he can't handle being mocked or made fun of and how any news he doesn't like is fake news.

It's why he prepared for the possibility of losing the election so that if he did, it wouldn't be because of him or because he lost fair and square. But because it was rigged. Now that he's one he acts like he never said it and if he had to say something would likely say that he is still right. That it was rigged and that the "real" election results would have had him in a much greater lead.
 
I actually think he has pretty low self esteem. Individuals with healthy self-regard don't tend to have such thin-skin or the need to put down others to boost their own standing.

But i dunno - it's just amateur analysis. I'm not a psychologist or psychoanalyst.
 
spacejunk said:
I actually think he has pretty low self esteem. Individuals with healthy self-regard don't tend to have such thin-skin or the need to put down others to boost their own standing.

But i dunno - it's just amateur analysis. I'm not a psychologist or psychoanalyst.
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We made this mistake in the 80s. People assumed school bullies had low self esteem and that by improving self esteem it would improve the problem of school bullying. But it backfired and wound up making things even worse.

I didn't say he had a healthy self esteem. His self esteem is too high. That's why he has such thin skin. He feels he deserves better treatment because he is better.

I'm not a psychologist. You don't have to be to see what's going on. All you gotta have is good instincts for people. Be good at reading them. I would be utterly stunned if trump had low self esteem. People with low self esteem don't usually victimize people, they are the victims. People with low self esteem don't put people down to feel better about themselves because they honestly don't think they deserve to feel better.

People like trump really think they are superior. And they can't stand that not being recognized. They twist and distort their perception of reality so that reality to them continually conforms to their beliefs. And their belief is they are always right. They are smart, competent, deserving.

No way on earth does trump have low self esteem. People with low self esteem tend to be fairly humble because they expect to turn out to be wrong. Because they think they aren't smart and aren't competent. They talk different.
 
Yeah, you're probably right.
Either way, he's a fucking ass. Not just in terms of personality - i don't care at all about him as a person, but his agenda is abhorrent in every way imaginable.

It's hard to imagine what his legacy will be.
I suspect "the trump brand" will be as dead once he's done trashing the country and the office he holds.
Courting hate tends to turn around and bite people on the arse a lot of the time. I suspect trump (in all his gracelessness) will never be able to recover what is left of his reputation when all is said and done...
 
Understanding his personality is important because it means we can predict how he'll likely react to situations in future and how he thinks. What he will do and why.

I wouldn't be surprised if his legacy ultimately is akin to how we think of Nixon. A criminal and a traitor.
I just hope we don't repeat the mistake we made with Nixon. No pardons for trump.
 
I don't know, think of your neighbor's dumb dog--you know its personality (eat, shit, bark), but that doesn't help you predict exactly where in your yard it'll shit next. The holes under your fence, you'll never see coming.
 
There's also the fact that trump's "personality", as we understand it, is a carefully constructed media persona.
Besides having a track record as a charlatan, a creeper and a racist - do we know much about trump?
It's hard to know where the trash tv "celebrity"/media personality act ends, and the "politician" act begins. If there is even a difference.
I mean, is his image calculated, or is he just a shambolic, bumbling ignorant old man?
But i'm kinda sceptical that we really know anything about him at all. Is it all just a constructed media image?

It's a bit like the question "is trump actually racist, or is he just courting the racist vote?" - and ultimately i guess i'd say it's probably not important - he is what he is in the political sphere.
 
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I would say that I suppose only he knows what's going on in his mind but honestly I'm not even sure he knows. Like the people that lie so much they start believing their own lies. Who knows.
 
A defining characteristic of Trump is that he exhibits no loyalty toward anyone except some members of his family.

In my experience, people with high self-esteem aren't as thin-skinned as Trump. They don't scream at TV commentators or compulsively and repeatedly Tweet insults at people who they think have slighted them.

They also don't need constant approval -- who can forget the round robin at that Cabinet meeting?

Maybe bone spurs cause irritability?
 
cduggles said:
A defining characteristic of Trump is that he exhibits no loyalty toward anyone except some members of his family.

In my experience, people with high self-esteem aren't as thin-skinned as Trump. They don't scream at TV commentators or compulsively and repeatedly Tweet insults at people who they think have slighted them.

They also don't need constant approval -- who can forget the round robin at that Cabinet meeting?

Maybe bone spurs cause irritability?
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I think you're mistaking healthy self esteem with what I'm saying. I'm saying his self esteem is way way too high. People with healthy self esteem recognize enough of their flaws to not be outraged when they're made fun of, but recognize enough of their worth to be able to shrug it off.

People like trump have a self esteem that's way too high. He thinks he's better than other people and that he should get his way all the time because of it. If he's not getting his way it means people aren't listening and following him. And they should God damnit they should recognize how smart his decisions are. Who do they think they are, they aren't president, they aren't as rich as he is. These are all objective examples of how smart and powerful he is. He can't possibly be wrong, hes virtually never wrong. People misunderstand what he meant sometimes, but that's them being wrong not him being wrong.

Sound like trump?

People with very high self esteem aren't just thin skinned, they are some of the most thin skinned. People with low self esteem can be too but in a different way. People with low self esteem don't usually go off at people for making fun of them cause they think they're right to be made fun off. They expect it.

I'll say it again. No way does trump have low self esteem and I'd be shocked if his self esteem were anything less than way way too high.
 
He seems insecure to me, he’s feels too irritated if people don’t get things the way he wants, he wishes to be right and I believe he feels he’s never wrong - maybe deep inside idk. He lies so much, and he is always concerned about himself, nothing matters but the greatness of whatever he says. Maybe it’s a way to compensate his weakness. He’s a bully imo, and from my point of view that reflects insecurity and low self esteem. Not to mention selfishness.
 
Like I said before. We made this mistake with school bullying in the 80s. Assumed it reflected low self esteem. We were wrong. The bullies really did think they were better and more deserving and our attempts to improve their self esteem only added to the problem and made them worse.

Bullying is usually a result of high self esteem not low self esteem. People with low self esteem rarely bully people. The idea that bullying reflects low self esteem was a misconception and it's been discredited.

I have low self esteem. So I tend to doubt myself a lot. So maybe I'm wrong. But it seems very obvious to me that trumps self esteem is above average.

I'm not a psychologist. It just seems obvious to me that this is how he thinks. Instinct.
 
I am. ;) For real, although I graduated a long time ago.

Anyway, I see your point. Sometimes it’s a matter of perspective, we are all so different and it’s nearly impossible to label people today. It always depends from what angle you are looking. Bullying could be done by people with low self esteem if they feel their insecurities disappear when stepping over someone. We used to read that you need to lower your ‘opponent’ so that you stand up and look better, so to speak.
 
Narcissistic Injury Explained

Narcissistic injury is the term used for any threat to a narcissist's outsized ego or self-esteem.

Remember that those with narcissistic personality disorder have a distorted sense of their own self importance and consider themselves superior to others as well as entitled to whatever they want.

They live in a fantasy world where they consider they have great success and/or power, intelligence and beauty. They believe they are unique and deserving of special attention. They require praise, admiration and attention to boost this ego and inflated image of themselves.


Perceptions

Anything that they perceive as a threat to this 'false-self' or to their sense of dominance, is considered narcissistic injury. The word 'perceived' is important because it means that the threat may not be real, for example, it may not be perceived as a challenge by normal people.

A 'real' threat may be something such as a person pointing out one of their lies, or challenging their dominance, or saying that the narcissists needs should come second to their own.

Things that a narcissist might consider injurious include such things as when someone makes a simple remark about the color of the narcissist's clothes not being the best for them, or that something of the narcissist could be better, or when someone disagrees with their opinion.

Ordinarily, these things are part and parcel of everyday conversations and people decide if they want to pay attention to them and take it as advice, or not!

Sometimes it's the not saying something that causes the injury. When the narcissist does something, they often expect compliments and praise, no matter how small the thing. Normal people may consider that no comment is necessary, and so they say nothing.

For the narcissist, however, not receiving the praise or compliment may be perceived as an insult, a criticism of what they have done, and they respond to it as such.
How dare you!

Narcissists respond to narcissistic injury as if it's a serious criticism, a total rejection, a definite threat to their very existence.

The response is swift, intense and very often out of proportion. It is called narcissistic rage and can vary from totally ignoring the source to verbal and physical violence. You can read more about narcissistic rage here...

The response is often to belittle the source, rather than dealing with the content of the criticism or disagreement. The resulting attack can be brutal.

If you inflict an injury on a malignant narcissist, be prepared for consequences!


Why?

There are various ideas about why narcissists respond to perceived threats in this way.

- It's a way for them to change from feeling victimized to causing pain to others.

- They consider that they have lost control of their world and respond to re-establish themselves as the dominant force.

- They believe that the narcissistic supply is generated from inside, it is a reflection from the outside of their inner brilliance. The narcissistic injury, however, comes from the outside and therefore has to be treated more 'seriously'.

- Narcissistic injury causes shame, depression, anxiety and they attack the source in order to stabilize themselves again.

The fact that there are so many explanations suggests that no one of them is true in all cases, and it may be that they are all true to varying degrees.


Worried about causing narcissistic injury?

If you are tiptoeing around someone because you suspect they may be a narcissist and you want to avoid causing narcissistic injury, it's time to re-evaluate the relationship and whether it's in your best interests to continue with it or not.

If you continue in a relationship with a narcissist, expect to lose. It is really that simple. The amount and duration will vary, but you should be prepared to pay.

The least you should be doing is learning about narcissism and how they control and dominate those around them.

Only then are you in a position to make an informed decision about what's best for you...

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/narcissistic-injury.html

I would say Trump fits the bill pretty well.
 
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