2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[spacejunk]

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain:

No way the driver of that car was a "Crisis Actor" for BAMN which is aligned with antifa and also states: action By Any Means Necessary.

I mean, no way, right?

paranoid bullshit.

i know you trump fans have to lie to go in to bat for him, but spare us this nonsense.

apologists for terrorists have to spin some crazy bullshit to get their point across. case in point

 

[spacejunk]

When a group of nazis descends on a town and starts attacking people, that is terrorism

yep.

 

[Scrofula]

Have you actually listened to what these people are saying? Are they honestly Nazis?

I almost forgot you said this myself.

 

[LiquidMethod]

When a group of nazis descends on a town and starts attacking people, that is terrorism

The problem with your emotional accusations is that you only consider it terrorism when one side does it.
A federally-permitted gathering was attacked first and shut down by the Left/Antifa.
The Left and the media have never denounced political violence when emanating from their side.

Well Liquid stands with racists. Guess we could kind of see that coming.

I stand with the right for free-speech.
White supremacists have the constitutional right to gather and voice their concerns.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Also AFAIK they have never preached violence. They have not destroyed any jewish storefronts and they have not called for the lynching of black people. They are often intellectual and have valid concerns that they would like to see addressed. This is how the political process works in a civilized society.

If you cannot engage a group in dialogue because you are scared of their common-sense ideas that make you feel uncomfortable and instead call for their suppression - then you are more akin to the fascist.
I can stand up for the free-speech of "racists" just as you can stand up for the free-speech of Muslims that like to behead gay people, stone rape victims to death and marry children.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[spacejunk]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

this is the worst possible out-of-context use for that poem.

you need to have a good hard look at yourself mate. none of your posts make much sense.

opposing nazis has nothing to do with free speech.
here's a clue; they're not here to "talk" or open a dialogue. they're terrorists, and we don't negotiate with terrorists.

 

[spacejunk]

First they came for the fascists, and I laughed—
because fuck them :D

 

[Soso78]

Sj supports freedom of speach as long as he agrees with what's being said otherwise he's not too keen on it.
Sj condemns violence unless it's directed at the far right.
Sj has stated many times to me that he is willing to use violence himself against the right but is the first to cry when antifa get fucked up. Sjs hypocrisy is laughable.
Yesterday was the biggest gathering of the far right in decades. A sign of things to come, unfortunately this is just the beginning.

 

[Scrofula]

I stand with the right for free-speech.
White supremacists have the constitutional right to gather and voice their concerns.


They have not destroyed any jewish storefronts and they have not called for the lynching of black people.

Not yet. Edit: those involved sure have though.
Glad to see you admit they're white supremacists.

Now see, that identity denotes a grasp of reason on par with your pizzagate, not intellectualism. It's also dangerous.

 

[Scrofula]

I support freedom of speech and am proud to live in a country (that you guys don't, btw) that allows fuckfaces like these guys to have a tiny parade, complete with taxpayer supported police so people like me don't drive our cars into them. Yes, I believe in that.

What I don't believe in is tolerating outsiders supporting this joke in the white house who can't even grasp the necessity of asking someone more fluent in English, how to phrase a statement expressing condolence, and outrage for the violence perpetrated by these vacuous attention whores; outsiders who have no bone in the fight for tolerance in this country, who were not bused into racially segregated sections of town and grew up with the tension, who have the tiny nuts to think they have a clue about what that's like.

Oh yeah, false flag media lies blah fucking blah

 

[spacejunk]

soso, i support the right of communities to protect themselves from nazis and terrorists.

if you don't like my opinions, that is fine; debate me. but address my arguments, not me personally. i don't think there is any way to oppose terrorists without getting your hands dirty.
that's the unfortunate reality of the situation.
these people turned up in charlottesville to intimidate people, and if it weren't for all the people opposing them, i'm sure they would have beaten up more people of colour and peaceful counter protesters.

i'm a proud antifascist, but to label us all as violent is doing your argument a great disservice. i've never done a violent thing in my life.

Sj has stated many times to me that he is willing to use violence himself against the right but is the first to cry when antifa get fucked up. Sjs hypocrisy is laughable.

are you saying that people who oppose these racist thugs deserve to be killed by vehicles used as weapons?

of course i will stand up to nazis trying to intimidate my community, if i have to.
smearing antifascists in this instance is just victim-blaming.

these people are terrorists. white american terrorists.
if law enforcement won't stop them, decent people will be forced to. that's what is happening now.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

re the fluent in english thing.

I was swatching this panel of linguists analyzing trumps speech/writing patterns the other day. They really didn't have answers. It's very unusual the way he speaks, like they way he puts a sentence together. Bush mixed up his words a lot or misspronounced but he didn't arrange the words in such an odd order like trump does.

Its like trump's speech is that of a less retarded sarah palin and not as metaphorical as hers.

I really don't know what to make of it other than he's stupid and has never read a book in his life.

For example lets say the sentence is:

" we are going to create 10,000 jobs in the automotive industry by providing incentives for companies to manufacture autos in the US"

Trump would phrase as:

10,000 jobs, due to providing tremendous incentives, we are going to create them in the US for the automotive industry"


Its very odd how most middle school students I have interacted with (tutored for a while) seem to have better language skills than the president with a "fantastibrain and one of the highest IQs of all time" to quote him.

Its also odd how people don't really seem to care about this at all, including the liberal media. I guess their more focused on all his scandal and administrative chaos to be making fun of his intelligence all that much.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Taken from Twitter:

Trump's week:
✓Threatened nuclear war.
✓Threatened Venezuela.
✓Thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats.
✓"Many sides" after neo-Nazi murder.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

^ I wonder if he realizes that he has some sort of learning disability and just tries so hard to distract from that and create sensation, or if he actually believes that he is smart, I can't really decide either way

 

[Scrofula]

Well, it's tough if you're a lamestream media person to take time out from constantly trashing him, to be careful about insinuating learning disabilities. Cause those wouldn't be his fault.

Now, a total boor of a person too infatuated with himself to pick up a book, until his brain atrophies, expanding like some dried out scrambled eggs until it poofs all wispy-like from his forehead, has only himself to blame.

I'd say it's a Reagan thing, but Trump's on record bigleague grabbing things since the beginning. You folks from parts elsewhere might not realize he's been a joke in NYC for decades. What I wonder is how his accountants treat his lawyers who felt it prudent to stick NDAs on everything, because the man is on life support, he is a name in a hefty frame, with a team of lawyers and accountants keeping him alive.

ANd now he's kept alive by redneck idiots and racists and misogynists and the people who think that fact is funny, or a conspiracy.

And yeah, given his week, why have the republicans not pulled the plug yet?

 

[Soso78]

Sj where did I label you all as violent?
I believe most of antifa are non violent, I mean how violent can a pony tailed sandal wearing kid be?

It's ok for you to stand up to fascists in a violent manner but when I spoke of standing up to Muslim extremists with violence you called me a thug.

 

[cduggles]

re the fluent in english thing.

Its like trump's speech is that of a less retarded sarah palin and not as metaphorical as hers.
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I would put his word salad at least on par with hers.
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I really don't know what to make of it other than he's stupid and has never read a book in his life.
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Those things in addition to mental decline.
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Its also odd how people don't really seem to care about this at all, including the liberal media. I guess their more focused on all his scandal and administrative chaos to be making fun of his intelligence all that much.
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No, many people do. It's just a question of cleaning up his speech or reading an excerpt of his idiocy.
Right now the focus is predominantly on what he is saying, rather than what he's saying.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Have you actually listened to what these people are saying? Are they honestly Nazis?

They are indistinguishable from Neo-Nazi movements.

Here's Vanguard America's manifesto. In short, America for the white people, and it's all the Jews' fault. Their catchphrase is even a literal English translation of a German phrase the Nazis used. Looking around their internet footprint, they believe that fascism is the only way forward for [white] America.

 

[cduggles]

I stand with the right for free-speech.
White supremacists have the constitutional right to gather and voice their concerns.

Also AFAIK they have never preached violence. They have not destroyed any jewish storefronts and they have not called for the lynching of black people.
They are often intellectual and have valid concerns that they would like to see addressed. This is how the political process works in a civilized society.

If you cannot engage a group in dialogue because you are scared of their common-sense ideas that make you feel uncomfortable and instead call for their suppression - then you are more akin to the fascist.
I can stand up for the free-speech of "racists" just as you can stand up for the free-speech of Muslims that like to behead gay people, stone rape victims to death and marry children.

Let's test your hypothesis.
Wear your "I'm a proud Jew" T-shirt and go to a white supremacist rally. Engage them in dialogue.
I'll film it for posterity and so Trump can decide between his Goldman Sachs appointees (they're cool with Jews) or the white supremacists.

Oh, and Liquid, I'm smarter than you and so are most of the people on here. :D
(You asked.)


It would be great to engage with someone who supports Trump and isn't a conspiracy theorist. Is there one here? I'm thinking maybe one??

 

[swilow]

The Left and the media have never denounced political violence when emanating from their side.

Not so. I have pretty openly criticized antifa for their methods, and I'm not alone. A lot of people are uneasy with the methods of these groups, hence the either wan or nonexistent support they get from the majority of the left.

I support free speech too, let these knuckleheads protest, and I refer to left and right there.

Also AFAIK they have never preached violence. They have not destroyed any jewish storefronts and they have not called for the lynching of black people. .

Does driving a car into people count?

Nazism and white supremacy ARE violent ideologies. Segregation is something imposed through force, Nazism has manifested in genocide. I'm not sure where you're coming from.

 

[Scrofula]

It would be great to engage with someone who supports Trump and isn't a conspiracy theorist. Is there one here? I'm thinking maybe one??

I'd prefer not to engage with any professed racists or fascists either. The racists are either trolls or deeply insecure, and fascism, you'd think a death toll of a hundred million and human suffering on a level no one thought possible would've killed it last century. But damn, those SS uniforms are sweet right? Even got a skull on the cap.