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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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Because when a neo-nazi runs over a group of innocent people, that's very one sided violence. It's very troubling that Trump will not vocally disavow himself from the white supremacists and neo-nazis who support him, even when they are murdering people. Shouldn't all you "Trump's not racist" folks agree?
 
i read trump's statement on the events in charlottesville. it's hard for me to imagine (i know that's on me) a less impressive presidential statement on such events. he had a chance to lead - to stand up and make a statement unequivocally condemning bigotry, intolerance and hatred.

his supporters love him because he speaks so bluntly. there was no blunt truth here. just weak equivocation.

total cop out.

alasdair
 
I'm not even sure what's happened?
Someone run some people over because they were against a white supremacist rally?
 
i see the white house is seeking to 'clarify' trump's vague statement.

and this is not partisan trump bashing - house members and senators on both sides of the aisle are condemning the attack for what it is and expressing disappointment at trump's comments.

alasdair
 
Are white supremacist rally's legal?
I saw on TV that there was some violence as people were fighting, was this before or after the car incident?
Is it just me or is the divide between left and right becoming more pronounced?
 
White supremacist rallies are indeed legal. Of course inciting violence is not, so I guess it's a kind of murky line when your base ideology advocates racist violence.

I believe the car incident occurred after the brawling was dispersed.

It's definitely not just you. Many divides, not just left and right, are increasing exponentially in our society, like distribution of wealth and resources. Nazism isn't the answer though, and it's a shame we have a leader who is laughing to the bank while the rest of us squabble instead of trying to unite people and uproot hate.
 
It could argued that although extreme the car incident was an act of violence in response to violence.
If the rally was legal and people turned up looking for trouble then they found it.
Left wing protesters are more willing to use violence now and the right will gladly participate.
i do t think what's happened could be classed as terrorism though. There's footage on world star hip hop of fights where someone runs people over during a brawl, extreme violence yes, terrorism no.
 
No actually it is not a valid argument, because none of the counter protesters incited violence. The car attack was taken on a group of protesters who were not violent in any way, and the brawl was started by a group of neo nazis who surrounded counter protesters and attacked them. This was violence driven by an extreme right-wing ideology of racial hate, thus it was terrorism. A hip hop brawl is a very different context than a white supremacist rally.

When a group of nazis descends on a town and starts attacking people, that is terrorism. As alasdair pointed out many on the right have had no problem calling this for what it is. Why is that something Trump can't do?
 
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Ok, thought the people run over were the ones fighting, not that that would make it ok.
 
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain:

No way the driver of that car was a "Crisis Actor" for BAMN which is aligned with antifa and also states: action By Any Means Necessary.

I mean, no way, right?
 
Soso78 said:
It could argued that although extreme the car incident was an act of violence in response to violence.
If the rally was legal and people turned up looking for trouble then they found it.
Left wing protesters are more willing to use violence now and the right will gladly participate.
i do t think what's happened could be classed as terrorism though. There's footage on world star hip hop of fights where someone runs people over during a brawl, extreme violence yes, terrorism no.
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I'm sure someone asked how baiting with "world star hip hop" relates to . . . oh yeah, baiting.

What are you trying to get us to bite in this party I'm late to and haven't finished reading? If you could remove the slow reveal of your position, without cluttering it with the Left or Hip Hop or Inner Cities or terrorism, that would at least save us some time, cause I don't feel like drawing it out.

Or did you post that so Liquid can try to escape?
 
White_Rose said:
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain:

No way the driver of that car was a "Crisis Actor" for BAMN which is aligned with antifa and also states: action By Any Means Necessary.

I mean, no way, right?
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Just to repeat what I've said a dozen other times, your "antifa" thing is just the same college kids, little white snowflakes like most of us here, who put on a ski mask maybe and throw a brick once a year. It happens every year and has since colleges began. They aren't even close to organized ever to pull off clever conspiracies. Their ideologies are loose and whatever counters the prevailing attitudes . . . you know, like teenagers do.

In case anyone thought otherwise, hopefully not.


(The major casualties of the Weather Underground were a couple of members. Yeah, historically the left in the US has done violence, if by left you include communists in the 1930s, which is nothing like the conservative "liberals" of today. The extreme right has a decent historical body count as well.)
 
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They were run into from behind while peacefully protesting against white supremacists and nazis.
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After they violently shut down a peaceful UniteTheRight rally. Should the Right have been allowed to gather and speak without facing violent physical attacks and suppression?

Have you actually listened to what these people are saying? Are they honestly Nazis?
 
Scrofula said:
Just to repeat what I've said a dozen other times, your "antifa" thing is just the same college kids, little white snowflakes like most of us here, who put on a ski mask maybe and throw a brick once a year. It happens every year and has since colleges began. They aren't even close to organized ever to pull off clever conspiracies. Their ideologies are loose and whatever counters the prevailing attitudes . . . you know, like teenagers do.
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Completely wrong, Antifa are a terrorist group and this problem has been exacerbated with the Left and the media absolutely refusing to denounce their illegal and immoral behaviour.
 
Well Liquid stands with racists. Guess we could kind of see that coming.


But it seemed like such an innocent little thing, impervious to logical fallacy and internal inconsistency.
 
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