Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

[psy997]

Hell, it took me two years to go through half a gram.

 

[Xorkoth]

3-MeO-PCP is a great drug, but I have to say I've seen more people get crazy on it, as in, losing the plot, extreme mania followed by psychosis, than any other drug. I've felt that a little myself, although I don't seem prone to psychosis as I've never experienced it regardless of some truly insane drug taking before. If you're prone to mania/psychosis, I would suggest steering well clear of this drug.

 

[Crashing]

Even using this at a rate of 1 gram every few months I can say that this stuff can really throw you off! If thrown off is what you're after, I still recommend using extreme caution. I am very thankful for this chem, but I think it's very specifically unique and shouldn't be messed with on any regular basis or in tandem or at high dose whatsoever. Beautifully insane, mostly insane. Best wishes if you have an addictive personality.

 

[spacejunk]

extreme caution

if i had to sum up my advice to people regarding this chemical in two words, those would be it!

i definitely have an addictive personality - very, very much so (!) but 3-meo-pcp is so fucking intense and weird and inexplicable that i have absolutely no desire to use it all the time.

having said that, the people who report getting stimulating, mania-inducing stuff (as opposed to dissociating trippy stuff, which is how i describe mine [i only ever bought it once, but see that 5 grams as a "lifetime supply"]) seem to use it much more compulsively that i do.
i've definitely redosed, but only in the one "session" - i've never found myself redosing days on end, or even the next day.

so some of these subjective things are probably skewed by the different effects people seem to get from different batches (to revisit that whole mysterious can of worms...)

 

[The Hypnotist]

Me too. I have only redosed a couple of times when it didn't seem to work. I can count with one hand the times I redosed a dissociative. Suppose I am too scared to abuse this powerful class of drugs. Or I just control it for some reason. Whatever might be, it is a blessing. A nice change for my irrational use of downers and uppers.

I have the same stuff that you have probably because I could never get any stimulant effect out of low doses. More like a drunk dissociation feel, very uninteresting. Don't like low doses of MXE or ketamine either.

 

[Xorkoth]

i definitely have an addictive personality - very, very much so (!) but 3-meo-pcp is so fucking intense and weird and inexplicable that i have absolutely no desire to use it all the time.

I don't personally find heavy dissociative experiences addictive, in fact I haven't even tried to have one in like 2 years despite having access. I find the low dose effects of 3-MeO pretty addictive though, it's not really intense at all, it just makes you feel really great, very functional.

I ran out of this a bit ago, I've scraped the bag a couple of times over the past month. Don't really miss it even though I have a tendency to low dose with some frequency when I have it. I've got 3-MeO-PCE right now, a little anyway, but I don't like it as much for low dosing so haven't been doing that either.

 

[spacejunk]

I don't personally find heavy dissociative experiences addictive, in fact I haven't even tried to have one in like 2 years despite having access. I find the low dose effects of 3-MeO pretty addictive though, it's not really intense at all, it just makes you feel really great, very functional.

did you find mxe addictive or compulsive?
i'm struggling to remember now, but i think i felt more comfortable taking that a couple of nights a week for months on end, but i've never done that with 3-meo-pcp.
for me the insomnia from certain dissos (mxe and 3-meo-pcp specifically) that keeps me from doing them too often.
disso mindset + sleep deprivation = mental health time bomb for me.

 

[Xorkoth]

I went through a period of using MXE like 2-3 times a week, whenever me and my friends would get together someone would suggest MXE and we'd all want to do it. These days, I have a bit of MXE still, I've used it like twice the past year, to combine with tryptamines. Of course I would have used it more often except I don't know if I'll ever be able to get more.

 

[nuube]

I went through a period of using MXE like 2-3 times a week, whenever me and my friends would get together someone would suggest MXE and we'd all want to do it. These days, I have a bit of MXE still, I've used it like twice the past year, to combine with tryptamines. Of course I would have used it more often except I don't know if I'll ever be able to get more.

Been doing the same but the other night on a whim I decided to trip on MXE alone. Man what a fantastic substance, can't believe all that I have is all I'll ever have

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah MXE is amazing, really something unique and special. It's so weird that no one is producing it. It's not even illegal everywhere. Not even if the US. It used to get sold super cheap so it must not be that hard to produce. And the demand is certainly there, imagine how massive a thing that would be if someone just started offering it again, it would sell out. So what the fuck?

Did you know that a BLer who used to mod this forum invented MXE? True story. Here's his first TR.

 

[nuube]

Yeah MXE is amazing, really something unique and special. It's so weird that no one is producing it. It's not even illegal everywhere. Not even if the US. It used to get sold super cheap so it must not be that hard to produce. And the demand is certainly there, imagine how massive a thing that would be if someone just started offering it again, it would sell out. So what the fuck?

Did you know that a BLer who used to mod this forum invented MXE? True story. Here's his first TR.

Of all powders, pills and potions I have taken over the years MXE stands head and shoulders above and beyond them all. To me there is a seriously spiritual side to this like no other..

From all the posts online about people lamenting the passing of MXE and waxing lyrical about how good it is I am confused as to why its not being made. I am sure some chemist from China could set themselves up elsewhere and churn it out by the bucket load, (like you say it didn't cost an arm and a leg leading me to agree with the ease of produce). The demand is out there so what the fuck, bound to be someone can make it.

Interesting about the BLer discovering. I am among giants here

 

[Xorkoth]

Well it got banned in China and after that it disappeared. But like, in the US it's legal still, and other places too...

 

[Scapigliata]

Hey, welcome to bluelight
Thanks for sharing your experience. This compound is fascinating as it is puzzling (And maybe that's one of the reasons its so appealing). I've been using it weekly/biweekly on average for a year and a half now, and I still find it somewhat unpredictable. As you said every experience is so different. Sometimes the same dose has me manic and stimulated, and another day feeling disphoric and confused. Experiences for me have been mostly positive, and I use it at the lower range most of the time.


I haven't thought about this, but now that you mentioned it I must say I agree. It is more pronounced on higher dosages (13 mg is the most I've done at once iirc). That nice feeling of mental clarity is indeed akin to a long meditation session. What you describe as the "second plateau" is usally rather confusing at doses over 10 mg, but after that there some zen like stillness.


This on the other hand I find rather concerning. Which kind of dosages are you taking and how often? This is usual on dissos but not after coming down from them. I would take that as a symptom of accumulation of the material in your system. 3-MeO-PCP is supposed to have a rather long elimination half-life. I would encourage anyone experiencing this kind of side effects to take a break from all dissos.

I will disclose here that I personally have been have been suffering from long term depression compounded by social isolation, lack of employment, a money source to live off (mom died when I was 10 and left me a trust fund) and in general a reason to not give a fuck about the damage that I do to my body for the past year or so especially (I'm 22)

I know the general advice is not to do psychs/dissos if you are not mentally stable, but depression, loneliness and boredom is magical in its ability to convince you that an RC called 3meo just might be worthwhile to do in your boredom (then again boredom and depression is magical in its ability to convince you to try anything to get out of this state of mind...)

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When I first encountered 3meo back in Dec 2016 I started off small, 7mg. I had done ketamine before then (AKA: fell in love with, got addicted to, and eventually abandoned ketamine after uncontrollably absorbing 2g of ketamine in 2 months after first trying. bought two grams after getting a sample. I dont want to spill here what I did with ketamine). I am hoping to find solace in my personal adventure through a confusing series of events that still has yet to explain itself to me.

The first time I did 3meo I stayed at home and was in love with how I felt. Carefree. Suddenly who I was in the past was thrown out the window. Smooth psychedelic distortion combined with slight amnesia, a frame of mind that I can't explain even to this day. I loved the music I listened to, the creative pursuits I found, the writing I spilled.

I was living by myself, I wouldn't see anyone else for weeks at a time in a busy city. Being lonely in an otherwise busy city is disconcerting and I know its my fault. Nothing is more alienating than being an unconfirmed disso addict shopping for groceries whilst other supposedly undisturbed individuals carry on their weekly grocery retrieval skills.

I had a friend and family that I could reach out to (they lived hours away) but what are they going to do? Talk to me on the phone and attempt to babysit me and tell me not to do drugs and seek help and get a job and be happy? They meant well but it just wasn't socially acceptable to ask them to solve my problems, namely why am I depressed and somewhat suicidal.

2017 starts and I find myself falling into spells of erratic 3meo usage. I did not keep an accurate log of the amounts I did, when and why.

Boredom. Isolation. A spell of passion convinced me possessing 5grams of 3meo was a worthwhile pursuit, lo and behold, I suddenly possessed enough 3meo to last any sane man a lifetime

And so I found myself falling into amnesiac fits of depression masked by 3meo.

I hope I don't appear as if I am bragging. Me writing this out is therapeutic in its own regard.

Whenever my situation became too much... I went straight to my plastic storage cabinet and retrieved my scale along with my Freedom

Looking back on it now I didnt see myself as an addict, I just saw myself as someone trying to get through the next day, to breathe and not feel utterly suicidal.

I have come so far in my understanding of myself, through LSD and many other psychedelics that I simply can't believe that I would be addicted to any one single drug, a dissociative especially

 

[psy997]

Great post Scapigliata, I can identify with most of what you've written. Use bluelight as a means to express and get it out if that's what you need to do

 

[Axed]

Yeah MXE is amazing, really something unique and special. It's so weird that no one is producing it. It's not even illegal everywhere. Not even if the US. It used to get sold super cheap so it must not be that hard to produce. And the demand is certainly there, imagine how massive a thing that would be if someone just started offering it again, it would sell out. So what the fuck?

Did you know that a BLer who used to mod this forum invented MXE? True story. Here's his first TR.

From what I have read, it was made illegal in China and there is not enough demand (compared to other illegal drugs) to produce it in clandestine labs. They simply moved onto other novel dissos.

 

[spacejunk]

Yeah, i think that's about right.

Nice to see Xork planting seeds though
MXE was the first "research chem" i went out of my way to obtain, and i wish i knew then how prized, rare and sought-after it would become.
Thanks for posting that link to F'n'B's first trip report, also.
I didn't it was first synthesized/sampled as late as 2010. I thought it had been around for a little longer than that.
It's a mighty special substance, and i hope to come across it again someday.
MXE + 4-AcO-DMT gave me a couple of the best trips i've ever had.
Nothing else i've had really comes close to a couple of those experiences. Simply magic.

 

[Xorkoth]

From what I have read, it was made illegal in China and there is not enough demand (compared to other illegal drugs) to produce it in clandestine labs. They simply moved onto other novel dissos.

But there are people producing other illicit drugs that are banned in China that aren't the "main" illegal ones, MXE was very popular and probably one of the most pined-for drugs on the Internet.

 

[Img_9999]

Also, I'm sure it has the potential to become on the "the main ones" if it was more widespread and well known
I think part of the issue is that there are not enough illicit labs with experience synthesizing ACHAs. Ketamine for example, the main illegal disso, comes mostly from parts were it is unregulated and is legally synthesized at pharma grade.

 

[spacejunk]

it sure seems to be, especially on bluelight.

we'er going a bit off-topic here, i'm sorry - but it seems like 3-meo-pcp is the 'mainstream' arylcycloheaxamine of choice amongst the RC crowd nowadays - which is another reason i wish MXE was still around; it had a far, far higher safety profile, from potency to effects.

all these kids taking a super fucking potent PCP analogue is scary. not just because of the reputation of PCP as being this evil drug that makes people into monsters - but the sheer intensity and potency of the material.
i'm so careful with it - i treat it with the utmost respect and care - but i've still had a couple of train wrecks with it.
i love it, but i can't remember the last time i took any, and have no real desire to any time in the near future.

far less dangerous, and from my experience, far more forgiving.
reading fast and bulbous' trip report reminded me of the first time i tried MXE. that 'wrapped in cotton wool' feeling - wow.
i feel like i pushed it a bit far in the end, but it sure was an incredible substance.

i do really like 3-meo-pcp too - it's pretty magical, but it feels much riskier. i once got lost in my own house, and it took me hours to realise that i'd just been standing in the laundry in the dark...

though, one time i took MXE and couldn't work out what time it was.
i looked at the clock - it said 12:30.
but still - i seriously couldn't work out if it was 12:30 in the afternoon, or half past midnight.
...so i decided that if i walked outside my apartment, it would be obvious.

i walked outside, stood on the lawn outside my front door - but nope.
still no idea. (it was night time!)

dissociatives are fucking weird man :D

 

[Haltia]

MXE is popular with RC community, but most people have never heard of it.

Because of that, the demand is just not large enough to incentivize underground chemists
to set up a lab procedure which involves difficult reactions and hard-to-get reactants.

The existing facilities are just two or three labs in China, and they have switched to
not yet illegal ACH's as noted before.