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Gnostic Christianity MEGATHREAD

Are you suggesting that Noah's flood is only a myth and that God did not use that genocide against man?

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
That is all I asked and not your delusional follow through.

Now.

That being the case, what makes you think God/Jesus would change from servant to a master who demands that we serve him and follow his commandments?

Regards
DL
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John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.

God never changed, His own image is merely incarnated in the flesh, it doesnt change who God is..
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Are you suggesting that Noah's flood is only a myth and that God did not use that genocide against man?

Regards
DL
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Gen 6:12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So as you can see, God being perfect, was within His own authority to destroy that which is not perfect, and its more than not being perfect, men became corrupt, and as a result were consumed with violence.
 
AddictRecon said:
Gen 6:12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So as you can see, God being perfect, was within His own authority to destroy that which is not perfect, and its more than not being perfect, men became corrupt, and as a result were consumed with violence.
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Your assumptions of God perfection are belied by scriptures.

Now.

What is more perfect in your eyes? A God who uses genocide and kills, or a God who cures all those he thinks afflicted with evil?

Remembering of course that God can do either kill or cure.

No free will B.S. either as killing someone is sure screwing up their free will to live and not die.

Before you say you cannot judge perfection and your God,
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what isgood.

Regards
DL


 
A R

As an aside. Have you read this and what doe it tell you of the perfection of your God.

Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of thedoctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again thefoundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, andof laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternaljudgment.

Regards
DL
 
AddictRecon said:
Or I gave you an answer and you have no rebuttal.
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I must have missed it.

My question was on masters and servants and you posted nothing that had those words in it.

As I said, it seems we are done if you are not going to do anything but defect while saying you are answering.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
A R

As an aside. Have you read this and what doe it tell you of the perfection of your God.

Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of thedoctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again thefoundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, andof laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternaljudgment.

Regards
DL
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Repentance, faith, baptisms, these are all entry level doctrines most Christians never seem to graduate from, its all they talk about and struggle to understand.
We leave the elementary doctrines of the faith, moving on to perfection, just as Hebrews teaching. More advanced doctrinal understanding comes with growth.

Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.


2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
 
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Gnostic Bishop said:
I must have missed it.

My question was on masters and servants and you posted nothing that had those words in it.

As I said, it seems we are done if you are not going to do anything but defect while saying you are answering.

Regards
DL
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Seek and you shall find..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Do masters bow to their servants?
 
AddictRecon said:
Seek and you shall find..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Do masters bow to their servants?
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No. Masters do not die for their salves either and that is what Jesus did which makes him, as he said, our servant.

Now you are even denying what Jesus said.

Regards
DL
 
AddictRecon said:
Repentance, faith, baptisms, these are all entry level doctrines most Christians never seem to graduate from, its all they talk about and struggle to understand.
We leave the elementary doctrines of the faith, moving on to perfection, just as Hebrews teaching. More advanced doctrinal understanding comes with growth.

Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.


2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
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Those scriptures were written, I think, to have you move away from scriptures and you just send yourself right back into them.

Here is why what I quoted sends you out of scriptures.

Isaiah 56:11) "They areshepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way,each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for theday of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORDoccupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9)& (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between therighteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:1

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away thekey of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering inye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through yourtradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Lawyers refers to biblical writers.

Thanks for the aside. I think we can leave it.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Those scriptures were written, I think, to have you move away from scriptures and you just send yourself right back into them.

Here is why what I quoted sends you out of scriptures.

Isaiah 56:11) "They areshepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way,each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for theday of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORDoccupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9)& (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between therighteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:1

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away thekey of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering inye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through yourtradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Lawyers refers to biblical writers.

Thanks for the aside. I think we can leave it.

Regards
DL
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Or deeper into the scriptures, as the writer suggests.

Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.


Gnostics like to spin the exact opposite of what the bible teaches.. But then you arent really studied in the bible, which is painfully apparent..
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
No. Masters do not die for their salves either and that is what Jesus did which makes him, as he said, our servant.

Now you are even denying what Jesus said.

Regards
DL
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So you agree, that Jesus, in service to YOU, died for you, after all, you see Christ in the Gospel accounts as a servant, as do I. Tell me, where is your servant now? Fetch him for me.. Since you have dominion over him.

I just want to say thanks for the opportunity to share my faith and all the scripture the Bible has to offer on the matter, you really are a blessing in disguise.. Be that as it may, your words are in error, again, because you take things out of context and misrepresent what the bible teaches..

Yes, Christ came to serve, and while He was serving, He was also worshiped. A master is not above serving, in fact we call that leading by example in the modern vernacular.

The worship of Christ was indicative of who He was.

Mat_2:11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
Mat_14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Mat_28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
Mat_28:17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.

Did Christ serve? Yep
Did Christ die serving? Yep
Did Christ rise from the dead? Yep
Was Christ formally addressed as God after He rose?Yep

Joh_20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

What Christ prophesied to come in the form of a servant? Yep (no need to quote scripture, you already agree)
 
AddictRecon said:
So you agree, that Jesus, in service to YOU, died for you, after all, you see Christ in the Gospel accounts as a servant, as do I. Tell me, where is your servant now? )
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Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if thereforethine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loveme, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come untohim, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinateto be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn amongmany brethren.

Can you not find your own Jesus mind within yourself?

Why not? All you need do is ignore your traditional dogmatic garbage as scriptures tell you to do and open your heart.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away thekey of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering inye hindered.
Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through yourtradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL
 
AddictRecon said:
Or deeper into the scriptures, as the writer suggests.

Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.


Gnostics like to spin the exact opposite of what the bible teaches.. But then you arent really studied in the bible, which is painfully apparent..
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Nothing quite like ending with an insult.

You thanked me elsewhere for posting and but I will ignore you quickly if you do not watch the filth coming from your mouth.

As to spinning the opposite of what the bible says, I sometimes have to to bring it's moral back to the original that Christianity reversed in the first place.

Care to speculate on the reasons for the following reversal that Christians have done?

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/

‘Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants’.

Regards
DL
 
You're one to talk. Why must you be so aggressive and confrontational? It makes me think you just like riling people up by any means necessary. You called someone a child in a derogatory way just a short time ago in a different thread, in response to them disagreeing with you in a quite friendly way. Hypocrisy is an unattractive quality, and it doesn't tend to engender faith in your message or intentions.
 
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