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a bunch of BS

Again, labeling him a racist and a misogynist without being able to back up those claims pretty much invalidates your whole stance as it exposes your lack of critical thinking skills and your tendency to be swept up by mainstream media lies.

He's easily manipulated; all anyone has to do is flatter him to make him do whatever they want or criticize him to freak him out.
That's a subjective opinion, not provable and simply false. Exaggerations and half-truths are the norm with irrational Trump-haters. Why don't you stick to facts, it will make your argument stronger.

losing his temper at people who criticize him in a job where you can expect to be burned in effigy often.
The concerted media-driven campaign to spread lies and demonize him is unprecedented in US presidential history. He has a right to be mad and defend himself.

George Bush had a better vocabulary? And acted presidential? How quickly we forget...

Something needs to be done about the clusterfuck known as American "healthcare". Should've been protesting when all the previous "presidential" presidents let the situation deteriorate to the mess that it is now. No, instead we'll just criticize and obstruct Trump from attempting to fix the problem (instead of offering solutions or working together with him). This isn't really about healthcare, it's political

Why is the Republican-led Senate putting legislation for the House's consideration to limit the power of the executive branch with regards to the Syrian conflict and lifting or softening sanctions on Russia? Why does Trump think that his verbally urging China to rein in North Korea has been or will be effective?

Because the war machine needs to continue. The establishment is not interested in peace. Trump however thinks that the waste of human resources is bad for business and wants to improve relations with Russia, and actually target terrorists in Syria (instead of covertly funding them to enact regime change). The ruling establishment cannot allow these sweeping (and beneficial) changes to foreign policy so again, they will attempt to obstruct him politically. Where was the obstruction when the past presidents were conducting illegal wars and murdering millions of civilians? Most of the claims leveled at Trump these days are not taken seriously simply due to the feigned outrage and hypocrisy.

Why won't Trump release his income taxes?
Because he's not legally obliged to.
 
Why did Jared Kushner hire a trial attorney in addition to his attorney advising him about testimony in the three investigations about Russian influence on the campaign?
If someone threatens litigation against you and then attempts to use the full extent of the law to try and bust you for literally anything in a witch hunt, even if you are innocent you will need a lawyer.

Why isn't Trump in the least concerned that the election might have been affected by a foreign power via potentially illegal collusion and manipulation of the election process?
He is, it is just that these accusations are displaying again, glaring hypocrisy. Now it turns out that Obama knew all along that there was some kind of interference from foreign powers (as there ALWAYS is and how the USA is ALWAYS engaging in themselves in literally every other country's elections), so why didn't Obama bring it up back then? It wasn't a big deal because he thought Clinton was going to win? Only after the result is not how we predicted does the interference become a big problem. Transparently pathetic. Also nobody has claimed that any foreign hackers have changed any vote tallies, and they have not adequately explained how phantom hackers (or whoever) had any influence on the election. Unless you're talking about the DNC getting exposed for rigging the primaries? There's also no evidence there that that was even a hack from foreign agents, and even if it was that is basically unprovable. Let me remind you that James Clapper, Diane Feinstein, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, James Comey, Adam Shiff ALL say that there is no direct evidence for Trump/Russia collusion.

And also if people were actually concerned about our elections being free and fair, then why won't some states cooperate with the current voter fraud investigation? Again it displays hypocrisy and also make them appear as they have something to hide. The DNC would not let the FBI analyze its "hacked" servers, and California will not turn over its voting records. Coincidence?

He plays golf??? OMG IMPEACHABLE OFFENCE, NUCLEAR GOLFING HITLER MUST BE STOPPED!!

Honestly if you want to criticize Trump stick to policy discussion, otherwise it is hard to take your media-influenced drivel seriously.
 
Also let me remind you that not only did the establishment cheat out a candidate that might well have beaten Trump in the election, but they decided to promote a candidate that should have been imprisoned for mishandling above top secret government information.

"Trump's fault!"
 
i think if the establishment really wanted a leftist candidate they would have chosen the bern bc he obviously would have won. and sanders did soften the public's view of socialism. if it was bern vs kasich then that would have been a different scenario. trump is more polarizing. thats the point IMO.
 
A majority voted for the conservative candidate this time around--Clinton. The populist candidate won on a leftist platform, and even though he's a Manhattan resident, he's from Brooklyn (or Bronx?) and the socialites have always mocked and ostracized him (would help if he didn't keep earning that). Real estate and licensing isn't the most common thing in politics either.

But let's hear the wingnuts (the same people who don't understand what establishment, elite, and liberal mean) holler about how Trump('s campaign) wasn't leftist, and how Clinton isn't a conservative (and the Hillary voters here)

Trumps lefty bona fides:
Doesn't give a flying fuck about Jesus and family values--his biggest liability too
Opposed TPP, ie. free trade
Sounded just like Bernie with Wall Street
Isolationist
Against off-shoring
Pro-Putin

Did he have any other stumps at all?

Meanwhile Clinton's admittedly husband Bill was notoriously right-leaning, and helped dismantle massive chunks of the welfare state that we're seeing now in the places that are supposedly losing jobs and all on oxy.
She's supported micro-lending overseas, which sounds very guilty-Democrat until you look at how it's just exporting debt and fucking people over, a very very Republican kind of thing.
 
Liquid Method

I'll save you some time by responding for you.

Again, labeling him a racist and a misogynist without being able to back up those claims pretty much invalidates your whole stance as it exposes your lack of critical thinking skills
and your tendency to be swept up by mainstream media lies.

Okay.

As referenced, it's hard to post links with quotes in them when the reply is "FAKE NEWS!" so I refer you to his very own Twitter feed, in which he retweets the comments of white supremacists, insults people of other ethnicities, and has been utterly degrading to women... There is footage of him and quotes from him insulting minorities and women BUT IT'S DOCTORED AND FAKE NEWS LIKE THE CROWD SIZE AT HIS INAUGURATION!!!!

That's a subjective opinion, not provable and simply false. Exaggerations and half-truths are the norm with irrational Trump-haters. Why don't you stick to facts, it will make your argument stronger.

Ask the Saudis, citizens of the United Arab Emirates and Qataris about that "opinion". I'd post some links that otherwise support this well-known fact, but "FAKE NEWS!"

The concerted media-driven campaign to spread lies and demonize him is unprecedented in US presidential history. He has a right to be mad and defend himself.

He might have a right to flip out and answer every criticism, but should he have the time?

Between that, his cable TV watching, and the excessive golfing, he isn't exactly putting in "leader of the free world" hours, particularly for someone completely inexperienced on the legal side (i.e., not bribing) and constitutional and structural aspects of the political system as well as for someone who didn't think the job would be so hard. FAKE QUOTE! SAD! BRILLIANT BUSINESSMAN!

His fellow Republicans and close colleagues and lawyers all wish he would stop tweeting. YOU MEAN COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT LOTS!

And what you've written here is called an opinion. If I can't have opinions, you can't regurgitate his and the alt-right's either.

There's nothing unprecedented about any of this except Trump is too thin-skinned to accept criticism. And are Saturday Night Live or The Late Show with Stephen Colbert part of the mainstream media now? OF COURSE THEY ARE! FAKE NEWS! LOCK HER UP!

Oops. Ignore last exclamation.

I agree that it was outrageous to call him a Muslim, the follow-up accusation that he attended a radical BLACK Christian Church, that he was gay, a user of "fancy mustard", when certain "birthers" demanded he release his birth certificate and then the long form of it and then accusing him and other people of forging that document because he wasn't born in the US but rather Kenya, and thinly veiled racist statements like he is "well-spoken" because he doesn't speak in ebonics gave him every right to fire back at the press incessantly.
Oh wait...

George Bush had a better vocabulary? And acted presidential? How quickly we forget...

Yes. I could post an analysis of his vocabulary compared to all modern Presidents including George W. Bush that showed this, but FAKE SCIENCE AND FAKE NEWS! BUILD THAT WALL!

Oops. Ignore the last exclamation.

Something needs to be done about the clusterfuck known as American "healthcare". Should've been protesting when all the previous "presidential" presidents let the situation deteriorate to the mess that it is now. No, instead we'll just criticize and obstruct Trump from attempting to fix the problem (instead of offering solutions or working together with him). This isn't really about healthcare, it's political

My work is intrinsically tied to health care and government policy, so take your accusation and shove it at some other agent of the Deep State. I did something a bit more effective than holding up a sign. :)

I must have missed Trump's healthcare proposal. I'm sure it's "great" and not "mean". Where can I read it or is it all still in his head with the tax overhaul legislation he said had been drafted? :D

In America, we have three branches of government. The executive branch is led by the president and those agencies and staff that traditionally support the president, and as its name suggests, the legislative branch is involved with the crafting and passing of legislation, particularly large-ticket legislation that affects Americans of all ages and 1/6 of the economy. The legislative body in the United States is Congress. (The third branch is not relevant to this particular point.) There are currently two healthcare plans being put forward by the House of Representatives and the Senate, which constitute our bicameral Congressional body.

Is it the Republican-majority House of Representatives obstructing Trump from fixing the problem or the Republican-controlled Senate? Or the mainstream media? Or the LGBT community? Or illegal immigrants? Or is it Trump himself as evidenced by his inability to articulate what any healthcare legislation proposes, why Americans should like it, why he lied during his campaign about what healthcare would become under his "leadership" or even display a basic grasp of healthcare itself, such as the difference between Medicare and Medicaid? LIES! SAD! CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX INVENTED BY THE CHINESE!

Oops. Ignore last exclamation.

Because the war machine needs to continue. The establishment is not interested in peace.

Okay. Sure.

Trump however thinks that the waste of human resources is bad for business and wants to improve relations with Russia, and actually target terrorists in Syria (instead of covertly funding them to enact regime change).

What? Trump doesn't want war? Well someone needs to go to the Middle East (throw a dart), China, Japan, North and South Korea and reassure them of his peaceful intentions.

Pop quiz: Name at least three countries to which Trump has deployed US troops. ;)

Also here's how Syria breaks down:

Side A: Bashar-al Assad, current President of Syria who is killing anyone who opposes his presidency; he started with his own people. The Assad regime is supported by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.

Side B: the Syrian people who are fleeing and getting slaughtered wholesale caught between Assad + Russia et al and ISIS.

Side C: ISIS, who rushed in to take the opportunity to establish a caliphate, in part due to the chaos created by the civil war.

Side D: the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which consists of US-trained and backed Syrian Kurds and Arab fighters.

US support of the Kurds in Syria is making Turkey unhappy and the Kurds are viewed with suspicion by the Syrian Arabs.

We also have troops in Iraq, which has a hostile relationship with Iran. It's complex.

Also, while the SDF is fighting the good fight against terrorism, Assad is taking advantage and killing "Arab militants" and gaining territory. So we are not-so-indirectly advancing Assad's agenda. It's not a good thing and it's hypocritical that we're helping Assad slaughter the Syrian people, with or without chemical weapons.

The Russia-Assad-Iran axis lines up rather interestingly with the US-Syrians if they are attacked with chemical weapons-Iraq coalition, doesn't it?

So guess who we're escalating the risk of fighting if we keep fighting in Syria or if Trump orders more bombing? In Iraq?

That's right. The Russians.

Now I don't think Trump understands much of this and I shudder that it's someone's job to explain it to him, but Trump the Peaceful has not shown himself to be a dove thus far (how many months has it been?).

The ruling establishment cannot allow these sweeping (and beneficial) changes to foreign policy so again, they will attempt to obstruct him politically. Where was the obstruction when the past presidents were conducting illegal wars and murdering millions of civilians? Most of the claims leveled at Trump these days are not taken seriously simply due to the feigned outrage and hypocrisy.

I literally have no idea what you're talking about here. None.

Because he's not legally obliged to.
Not yet. ;)
 
he retweets the comments of white supremacists, insults people of other ethnicities, and has been utterly degrading to women... There is footage of him and quotes from him insulting minorities and women

Don't know how many times I need to repeat myself but if you want to level these accusations then back them up. What you've just said is vague poppycock. Show examples of how he is racist and sexist and we can dissect them. It will be easy to point out how false these allegations are. People generally refuse to back up these arguments with examples for that reason. (it's easier to just label everyone you don't agree with a racist Nazi and leave it that that).

Ask the Saudis, citizens of the United Arab Emirates and Qataris about that "opinion". I'd post some links that otherwise support this well-known fact, but "FAKE NEWS!"
You're just being a smartass and trolling instead of being specific. Doesn't bode well for your accusations. Stop throwing out vague nonsense. You make a claim and refuse to post evidence because of "FaKE NewS!!!111" this is childish trolling.

His fellow Republicans and close colleagues and lawyers all wish he would stop tweeting. YOU MEAN COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT LOTS!
Twitter is the Trump News Network. The mainstream media have proven themselves to be untrustworthy, agenda-driven and in the pocket of the Clinton camp/establishment. Twitter does speak directly to the people, the deceitful media hate it because the messages reach millions of people and can't be spun, and politicians dislike it because it is revolutionizing how politicians use social media to communicate with their constituents as they are generally rehearsed, secretive, archaic dinosaurs that will never speak as freely as Trump does (which is one reason why he received so much support and was elected in the first place). He's not going to change that, nor does he have to, so everyone should get used to it.

And are Saturday Night Live or The Late Show with Stephen Colbert part of the mainstream media now?
Yes they part of the Liberal media. Look at who owns their programs and who else they fund. The media colludes to unfairly demonize Trump. Any honest person recognizes this.


Is it the Republican-majority House of Representatives obstructing Trump from fixing the problem or the Republican-controlled Senate? Or the mainstream media?
Trump is not a Republican. He has some support there but he is basically on his own in the swamp, where Democrats & Republicans have proven themselves to be both part of the same criminal game (of elite politicians). This has been exposed by how members of both parties have been colluding to attack and ultimately remove Trump. He threatens the criminal status quo that both parties were enjoying (at the expense of the American people). Career politicians do not want change that benefits the people, judging by the sustained decline of American society and living standards.
 
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Also here's how Syria breaks down
You do not seem to know what is the real story here. If you promote the mantra of "Assad must go" then you've been misled my the media (I'm seeing a pattern here). The reason the US states Assad must go (after falsely claiming he was gassing his own people) is due to a proposed gas pipeline running through Syria supplying Western Europe. If Assad stays then the Russians will help build the pipeline and profit. If US-friendly terrorist mercenaries overthrow the democratically-elected, legitimate Assad government then the pipeline will go from Qatar and through Syria and Western interests profit. If you want Assad gone, that means Syria becomes a failed state like Libya. If you prefer this then you are delusional, misinformed and an enemy of the Syrian people.
Obama was coddling ISIS. Russia's intervention blew the lid off the US's tacit support of ISIS. Then we had the Wikileaks email written by Hillary saying that she was aware that her good friends/allies Saudi & Qatar were funding ISIS. Why wasn't this reported and why weren't they told to stop? Because ISIS is a geopolitical pawn for the United States. The US allowed ISIS to gain in power and territory when Obama claimed he was bombing them.

So guess who we're escalating the risk of fighting if we keep fighting in Syria or if Trump orders more bombing? In Iraq?
That's right. The Russians.
Trump has stated that he wants to work together with Russia to bomb ISIS terrorists (but the CIA has other ideas, they do not want Trump & Russia to bomb their investment and destroy their carefully laid-out plans for illegal regime change).

I literally have no idea what you're talking about here. None.
You probably honestly think that Libya & Syria were "humanitarian interventions", in which case I cannot discuss this topic with you further.
 
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If someone threatens litigation against you and then attempts to use the full extent of the law to try and bust you for literally anything in a witch hunt, even if you are innocent you will need a lawyer.

Allow me to rephrase. Read slowly.
Jared Kushner retained a lawyer who is a D.C. insider familiar with Congressional investigations and advising witnesses in front of these types of committees.

He has now engaged a second attorney who is also a high profile D.C. trial attorney, as in an attorney that specializes in defending a client in a court of law.

Since his dad had to go to prison for witness tampering and sundry other charges, I'm sure dad is advising Young Jared about how to keep his pale, thin self out of the hoosegow. Ergo it's interesting that he hired another pricey attorney with a completely different specialty. Savvy?

He is, it is just that these accusations are displaying again, glaring hypocrisy. Now it turns out that Obama blah blah blah Clinton blah blah blah.

Let me make this easy for you. The Clintons and Obama are not in public office anymore. There is a whole civilian legal system that they are subject to for future wrongdoing. Secretary Clinton has been investigated without being charged. Join us in the present.

So, moving forward, it's important that we focus on what our current president and government officials and agencies are doing, like investigating how big the president's inauguration crowd really was, and what they aren't doing like investigating the influence that the hacks had on the election. And by hacks, I mean the ones that 13 intelligence agencies have concluded happened and that the Russians did.

I don't care in the least what Obama did or didn't do about the Russia hacks unless it was extremely treasonous.

The reason we don't know how the hacks influenced the election (other than the hacking of John Podesta's email which people like you screech about a fix to torpedo Bernie's candidacy because you all care so much about it 8) ) is because our current president isn't directing anyone to look into it because he already knows he lost the popular vote, which is why he hands out maps of the electoral college to prove he is a legitimate president, and fears that he might not actually have won the electoral college either. His horrible (fake) low approval ratings, his self-loathing, insecurity, and utter ineffectiveness as president (because he is being obstructed from carrying out his most brilliant plans like building a big solar wall between the US and Mexico).

I understand that you want to fling poo on Obama and Secretary Clinton and shove Bill in there, but it's just misdirection. Trump has survived by telling you where to look, being utterly shameless and a pathological liar. And you are buying.

BUT OBAMA DIDN'T AND HILLARY HAD EMAILS BENGHAZI AND BILL ON THE TARMAC BLAH BLAH BLAH. IT'S THEIR FAULT AND THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT TRUMP NOT FAULT.

Let me remind you that James Clapper, Diane Feinstein, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, James Comey, Adam Shiff ALL say that there is no direct evidence for Trump/Russia collusion.

Let me remind you that these types of investigations take on average three years. Apparently the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Department of Justice believe it is worth investigating. And Comey couldn't comment in an open session while testifying, nor could any of the committee members repeat classified testimony, but nice try.

And also if people were actually concerned about our elections being free and fair, then why won't some states cooperate with the current voter fraud investigation?

Because that information could be used politically GASP! or it could be hacked or a contractor could leave it on the internet (that happened).

Again it displays hypocrisy and also make them appear as they have something to hide.
The State governments? What?

The DNC would not let the FBI analyze its "hacked" servers, and California will not turn over its voting records. Coincidence?

No. Government agencies (state and federal) don't trust each other. You don't know that? Why do you think the House and Senate both have ongoing investigations into possible collusion of members of the Trump campaign simultaneously? Duh.

He plays golf!

It's fair game. He tweeted and whined about Obama doing it, although Trump has outplayed him by far. Plus it costs millions of dollars in taxpayer money. And he sucks at his job. Maybe he could try to read a little more and learn how to do the tasks he needs to as president?

Honestly if you want to criticize Trump stick to policy discussion, otherwise it is hard to take your media-influenced drivel seriously.

It's so obvious that you take everything I write very seriously. Thanks for the tip about what to stick to so that you can continue to take me seriously and for the stories. I appreciate all the links to sources to back your not-fake news ramblings (that would be hysterical if you provided them: heard it on talk radio but don't remember who said it, comment on Reddit, Alex Jones show, some loser's blog).

So which President do you think had NASA create a pedophile ring on Mars? That's what I want to know!
 
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I'm seeing a pattern here.

I'm guessing you see a lot of patterns most other people don't.

You probably think blah blah blah and I cannot discuss this topic with you further.

Don't presume to know what I "probably" think about anything. Do not even try to put words in my mouth.

I get it. You will stay with Trump and alt-right media until the bitter end because he's so "real" even though he lies, 180s on positions depending on who he just spoke to or what he saw on TV, whines, and blames others because he is failing. How alpha!

When Mueller's investigation concludes and Trump is torn to shreds, you will talk about how such a "real" person wouldn't be allowed to exist by the powers that be.

You'll never admit he's an ignorant and miserable bully who can't adapt to thrive in this environment because everyone is watching and there's no bankruptcy, no loophole, and no passing the buck.

So predictable.

I'm done. I've put up with you repeatedly insulting me with words like "delusional", "misinformed", "smartass", "childish", "trolling", and "irrational" to name a few. It's pathetic that you have to resort to using terms like those to someone who replied to you with playful Trumpian humor (although I nailed the gist of your responses). How unexpected that you have no sense of humor. Who could have guessed?

Try to enjoy being "that guy" and thinking you're not.
 
I'm sure dad is advising Young Jared about how to keep his pale, thin self out of the hoosegow. Ergo it's interesting that he hired another pricey attorney with a completely different specialty. Savvy?

I'm not going to defend Jared Kushner. I would prefer he was not in the WH, I believe he is a liability and Trump made a mistake hiring him, but he does have Zionist connections.

Let me make this easy for you. The Clintons and Obama are not in public office anymore. There is a whole civilian legal system that they are subject to for future wrongdoing. Secretary Clinton has been investigated without being charged. Join us in the present.

The previous administration is directly responsible for the mess we are in now. To think they just disappeared with their tails between their legs is naive. They are actively engaged in this current attempted coup against the President. You are poo-pooing away events like Slick Willy meeting with Lynch on the tarmac and then stating that Hillary wasn't charged as if that was a logical or correct decision and we should move on. Comey has been covering for Bill Clinton since the Marc Rich pardon, so the fact that Hillary wasn't charged when almost anyone else in the world would have been, basically proves collusion and obstruction of justice. I do believe Lynch is now currently being investigated along with Hillary for her emails (again) which may result in them revoking her security clearance. Oh, and the DNC is being sued for fraud. Join us in the present

And by hacks, I mean the ones that 13 intelligence agencies have concluded happened and that the Russians did.
Wasn't it originally 17 intelligence agencies? Because now it is only 4. And those agencies never even investigated the case as the DNC did not turn over its servers to authorities, they hired their own firm to produce a report (that said the hacks were akin to what some Russians have done in the past) and then a small group of people in a few intelligence agencies made their claim. Join us in the present.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/30/fixed-an-absurdly-written-nyt-correction-to-a-trump-russia-story/

If your house gets robbed and the police want to inspect the evidence do you tell them "No you can't do that. But you can speak to this PI that I hired and he will tell you what you need to know" ?
 
I don't care in the least what Obama did or didn't do about the Russia hacks unless it was extremely treasonous.
You don't care that Obama didn't take the hacks seriously before the election? But now you're yelling at Trump to do it? The previous administration didn't care about the hacks because if they went public with it then and won, Trump would have had justification in questioning the results.

Also there has still been zero evidence presented to the public that they were even hacked. More evidence points to murdered staffer Seth Rich leaking the info internally to Wikileaks after he discovered that the DNC was screwing over his hero Bernie Sanders. And Podesta fell for a phishing scam and his password was passw0rd. Hardly needed Kremlin intelligence to crack that safe.

he already knows he lost the popular vote
It is the exact opposite, many people are aware that Trump most likely won the popular vote. If there was any chance that he didn't actually win the electoral college then he would not be launching a massive investigation as we speak. He's investigating because it will turn out that massive voter fraud happened which will further cement his legitimacy. He also must fix the problem or else it will happen again and screw him out of re-election in 2020. The states are now resisting because they are most likely guilty in some form.

Trump has survived by telling you where to look, being utterly shameless and a pathological liar. And you are buying.
Wikileaks. Everything has been exposed. The cat is out of the bag so some things you cannot deny.

Let me remind you that these types of investigations take on average three years. Apparently the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Department of Justice believe it is worth investigating. And Comey couldn't comment in an open session while testifying, nor could any of the committee members repeat classified testimony, but nice try.
Like I stated, the status quo politicians want Trump unseated and the Russia theory is the last thread that they have to work with. Trump's team were under surveillance, so if Trump really was colluding with the Russians that shit would've been blasted all over the news media during the election instead of repeating an audio of him saying "pussy". It wasn't until he won and the establishment went into damage control did the Russian collusion conspiracy theory really start to take shape.

Comey couldn't ever comment. It is classified to say whether Trump was under investigation? Is he even formally under investigation? Why would Comey refuse to state the facts?
 
You do not seem to know what is the real story here. If you promote the mantra of "Assad must go" then you've been misled my the media (I'm seeing a pattern here). The reason the US states Assad must go (after falsely claiming he was gassing his own people) is due to a proposed gas pipeline running through Syria supplying Western Europe. If Assad stays then the Russians will help build the pipeline and profit. If US-friendly terrorist mercenaries overthrow the democratically-elected, legitimate Assad government then the pipeline will go from Qatar and through Syria and Western interests profit.

I think there are good reasons to doubt this narrative, which I raised in another thread (here). If you follow the link I embedded links to several of my sources in the post, but here is a quote of the most relevant part of the post:

Iran shares a border with Turkey and already sends gas to Turkey, this seems like a more promising way to export gas to Europe than through Syria. Wikipedia confirms that there is an existing gas pipeline between Iran and Turkey. Moreover, as of last year there have been plans for Iran to construct a gas pipeline to Europe through Turkey which doesn't go through Syrian territory.

Saudi Arabia has prevented Qatar from exporting gas to the neighbouring countries of Bahrain and Kuwait, so why would Saudi Arabia allow Qatar to build a gas exporting pipeline across a significant chunk of Saudi territory?

Qatar already exports significant amounts of gas to Europe in liquefied form, it doesn't seem like it needs to bother building an expensive pipeline to export its gas. According to the US Energy Information Administration Qatar is the biggest exporter of liquefied gas in the world, or at least was in 2015.

Here is a link to a post which shows both of the planned pipelines you are talking about. Why would the US spend so much time and money on trying to destabilise Syria when even the pipeline they allegedly support has to go through Syrian territory? It just doesn't make any sense. Logistically speaking the supposed Russian supported pipeline doesn't make any sense either; as I pointed out in the post I quoted, Iran doesn't need to construct a pipeline through Syria at all in order to export gas to Europe.

What compelling evidence in favour of this theory am I missing? I did a fair bit of reading on this around the time of the previous thread and I honestly couldn't find any convincing evidence that foreign interest in the Syrian war is over these pipelines, but I did find some fairly strong evidence against this theory.
 
Well, @drug_mentor, there may be more to the story than a pipeline. Right now it's once again trying to bring the light to someone, then finding out they're 9/11 truthers too. cdug, you fought valiantly, but facts won't melt broken brains!

Also, no fair waiting to reveal that truther side, it would have saved us a lot of trouble.
 
@liquidmethod I'm sorry I criticized as harshly as I have. I would like to ask you if the site you linked in response to Mr. Mentor, is the main source of your news? Do you think it is a credible source? If it is a credible source, what about it makes that so?


I promise I will not rebut or challenge or make fun. I'm sincerely interested in your answer.

Thanks!
 
Show examples of how he is racist and sexist and we can dissect them.
Transcript: Donald Trump’s Taped Comments About Women

obviously you can choose to characterise this however you choose but what a lot of people hear here is the (now) president of the u.s. bragging that he's free to sexually assault women simply because of who he is. it's also peppered with sexist insults (e.g. "I moved on her like a bitch.").

it's insulting and creepy and undeniably sexist.

alasdair
 
Trump is a twat for sure but comments like this are not that bad, not compared to Clinton fuckin a 22 year old in the white house while he was married.

Scrofula I'm not sure there are any credible sources anymore.
Every source puts its own spin on things.
 
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