The nicotine high while on other drugs is for me a fullness thing. It happens the strongest on dissociatives I feel, but it's like after nicotine all of the sudden the high seems much more full and well-rounded, and thus more pleasing.
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I found psyches useful for helping me quit smoking cigs (although I still use tobacco in spliffs) - I would just ask myself why I smoked, what I had to gain from it etc
After a few times it just sunk in more and more that I don't really want to smoke at all and it's just been a go to method of relieving stress for many a year.
Hard habit to break when the 'cool' factor has been pushed on you for as long as you can recall.
Then again after a couple beers, all reasoning can go out the window and the cravings return.
After a few times it just sunk in more and more that I don't really want to smoke at all and it's just been a go to method of relieving stress for many a year.
Hard habit to break when the 'cool' factor has been pushed on you for as long as you can recall.
Then again after a couple beers, all reasoning can go out the window and the cravings return.
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@Swilow, I was on Pregabalin/ am on Gabapentin for peripheral neuropathy, in my feet/legs. I was on Pregabalin for over 3 years, the last couple years @ the maximum dose for this condition which is 450mg/day. Like most drugs it is a double-edged sword. If you take the doses as prescribed at the same time each day it is a very effective therapy for my nerve pain, but the physical dependance is a monkey on one's back. The withdrawal, in my case, was a beast. Even when I did a taper to 300mg/day and then jumped to Gabapentin it was pretty gnarly for a week. For a lot of people a cold turkey withdrawal is just as bad as a combo of opiate and benzodiazepine withdrawal. After getting my Gabapentin dose adjusted to 1800mg/day I am stabilized at proper therapeutic levels. For nerve pain it is a much much better option than opioids, doesn't have abuse potential nor the stigma attached to it, and it targets the pain more effectively, despite the similar physical dependence as an opioid.
To chime in on the 3meo train for just a moment, it is a prime example of a double edged sword. It can switch on a dime from an experience of heaven to an experience of hell. Set and setting is of utmost importance with 3meo. I have learned not to use it if I don't have 100% control of my environment, and if you use it around people you have to make sure they can be fully trusted and are also in a good mindset themselves because their energies will seep into your experience one way or another.
To chime in on the 3meo train for just a moment, it is a prime example of a double edged sword. It can switch on a dime from an experience of heaven to an experience of hell. Set and setting is of utmost importance with 3meo. I have learned not to use it if I don't have 100% control of my environment, and if you use it around people you have to make sure they can be fully trusted and are also in a good mindset themselves because their energies will seep into your experience one way or another.
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^indeed, after using psychedelics for years and then dissociatives to the point of these "trains", I pretty much feel that I'm over drugs in the abuse sense. Probably still going to use something every now and then. But until I feel completely sober, I plan to stay sober.
I'm actually taking a period of sobriety at the moment as well as of a few days ago. I'm sure some alcohol or a few hits of weed will happen, and that's fine, but for the next week or couple of weeks I'm going to refrain from constantly putting psychoactive chemicals in my body, whether small amounts of caffeine, small amounts of phenibut, or even ashwaghanda or other active herbs. I had a bodily feeling the other day after taking a small amount of vyvanse that I've been taking so many chemicals - which for reference, hasn't even been near abuse or what I at least imagine when I read something like that, I'm talking just always taking small doses of something, phenibut one day, ashwaghanda the next, maybe 10mg vyvanse another, some caffeine, drinking, etc. - that my body has lost it's natural equilibrium and in a way I've been floating in the wind, prey to whatever gusts come by. I feel so much more energetic and alive already, it's fantastic. I'm hoping I can go the entire weekend abstaining as well, we'll see. But like I said, it's not even a big deal if I end up smoking or drinking with friends one night, it's really the constant dosing something that's the problem.
Just A Guy
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I think that deep inside we all know that all these drugs are best done in moderation, and perhaps even rarely... I've even become somewhat obsessed with the condition of being bored. It's a lovely feeling that gives rise to such creativity.
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Bang on. I always consider it the shittest drug I've tried (along with alcohol), yet it's the only drug that I crave on literally every single other drug. When you put it like this, it really shows the power of psychological addiction.
Also, I didn't realise for years how it caused me massive amounts of social anxiety.
Could you expound upon that Tranced?
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Feeling baseline, I think most of the 3-MeO-PCP is out of my body at this point. Probably not all because I took it for weeks everyday so I guess it would take a few weeks to get rid of every bit of 3meo. Thank you everyone for support, but I just want to say that while I was going through hell - I never forgot that it was because of 3meo binge. It's easy to forget that in that state though. So without bluelight and a lot of experience, something bad could have happened, like I could've hurt myself accidentally or something. Similar to what happened to pharmakos years ago, the frostbite thing.
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coelophysis
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I've never had a g of meo last me longer than a 3 and a half weeks. So strange that people can make a gram last a lifetime but they've not really lived that lifetime yet.
Xorkoth
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Wow, that's intense. My grams last me months and months, even though I use it pretty frequently. It's because I use it 2mg at a time.
coelophysis
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I think I'm just a pig lol.. I highly doubt it's a quality issue.
Xorkoth
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No probably not, my friends use it like that too. Some people like high doses and getting really dissociated on it, personally I like it for the low dosing effects, and when I want to get really dissociated I use something like MXE, or ketamine.
My recent GC/MS results on 2 batches of 3-MeO seems to indicate that the 3-MeO going around is high quality.
coelophysis
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Not even trying to sound cool.
I wish it could last me long. Then i'd still have some.
Only ever had one meltdown.
rest of the times I thought I was being pretty modest with my usage while managing to stay on it all day.
I wish it could last me long. Then i'd still have some.
Only ever had one meltdown.
rest of the times I thought I was being pretty modest with my usage while managing to stay on it all day.
coelophysis
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5-8mg nasally 4 times per day maybe 5 depending on if I'm trying to have fun.
swilow
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Thanks man. I'm trying to assemble a bit of information. I'm curious, have you experienced benzo withdrawal? Theoretically, people who have experiecned that will probably have worse experiences withdrawing from pregabalin. Which is why I am being so very cautious with this drug, I've been addicted to GABAergics before and had terrible withdrawal.
Anyway, its making me nervous, so I took a final dose on Wednesday morning and thought I'd let it clear the system and see if any w/d will happen. I'd been on it for 2 weeks, so a very short term, had some high doses but was mainly using within prescribed levels. I must admit, I feel very edgy, quite trembly but not neccesarily anxious or what I consider withdrawal. My pain has not returned. I am wondering if there is any point in using pregabalin as needed rather than everyday. I simply know that I will not feel comfortable walking around with another GABAergic-style addiction in my brain. In and of itself, this is causing me anxiety totally seperate from the possible chemical induction of said state.
Damn it. I hate to have found a medicine that is working for me but is probably too risky to continue. I had an appointment with a neurologist because Miss Swilow and my mother thought I was having partial/absent seizures but he did not agree or see the same signs. He thought it safe enough to step of pregabalin briefly, though he did not think it needed. He seems to be of the school that simply needs to be weaned from in the way that prednisone does. He thinks its both the safest treatment for sciatica as well as seizures but I am so scared of another addiction that I would probably rather experience pain and seizures.
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