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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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alasdairm said:
the glen greenwald article is fake news too...

see how that helps nobody?

the trump presidency is a total mess less than a month in.

this greenwald piece is well argued: The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies



you'll join me in praising these leaks, droppers?

alasdair
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I find it interesting that the left praises leaks when they help their side, but hate them when they hurt them. Glen gets a pass as he is pretty consistent. I think the intelligence agency leaking this stuff should be prosecuted tbh.
socko said:
Is the expectation now that Trump won't last an entire term before he is impeached or ahs to resign? The whole time he was running, I didn't believe he was serious and would either sabotage himself or if elected, decline or let his appointees do the work while he played golf. The surprising thing to me was that he has been going through the motions of being serious about it.
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yep the liberals and the legacy media are really losing their shit because he is actually doing what he said he would do. They do not like it one bit so they are pushing fake news narratives hard. It's funny because in the reports they admit to having no evidence of Russian collusion. Only that Flynn spoke of sanctions before he took office.
StoneHappyMonday said:
You have as many made up names for legitimate agencies as Facebook has for sexual preferences. Feel proud of that? What stupid game do you think you're playing?
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I do not understand why you are upset? Legacy media is simply the term for the traditional media sources that are being phased out.
 
"are being phased out"? lol. no.

Droppersneck said:
I find it interesting that the left praises leaks when they help their side, but hate them when they hurt them.
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such a vague generalisation as to be completely useless.

this is not a partisan issue and republicans, including some big names, are getting on board.

you start to look pretty silly (not to mention partisan, illogical and a little emotional) when you defend - and act as an apologist for - absolutely anything and everything he does.

alasdair
 
indeed.

Stephen Miller’s authoritarian declaration: Trump’s national security actions ‘will not be questioned’

stephen miller said:
The end result of this, though, is that our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.
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is it just me or is this guy absolutely fucking terrifying? (trump apologists and non-patriots need not respond)

alasdair
 
consumer said:
Sounds like they only respect the constitution and the law when it suits them.
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of course. droppers is a great example if this as i have pointed out with his comments about the 2nd and 14th amendments.

here are a couple of relevant quotes from some people who know a thing or two:

"it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." (benjamin franklin)

"i believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... the means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home..if tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." (james madison)

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
"are being phased out"? lol. no.

such a vague generalisation as to be completely useless.

this is not a partisan issue and republicans, including some big names, are getting on board.

you start to look pretty silly (not to mention partisan, illogical and a little emotional) when you defend - and act as an apologist for - absolutely anything and everything he does.

alasdair
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You mean the establishment neocon shills that have never liked Trump?
 
Lindsey Graham is a chicken hawk that absolutely hates trump for embarrassing him during the primaries, also he really wants war with russia. Mccain is about the same only more hawkish and has a bit more class. Neo conservatives are no different than hawkish democrats in my eyes. These anonymous sources making stuff up for shocking titles, are getting old. Still zero proof Russia had any involvement in our elections, spoke with the trumps campaign, etc.. Flynn spoke with Russian ambassadors on Dec 29th, apparently, without informing his bosses. I dont know why this is a big deal, as he was likely just reaching out for his future position to reassure them that the trump admin. would not have the same combative attitude, as the Obama admin. He was fired and the media tried to claim some BS with "the logan act". The sensationalist reports all the left wing news on NBC,ABC,CNN, etc has been crapping out is why Im confident in my fake news label.

Ali at least think about it from a pragmatic non partisan persons view point, for a second. Remember Obamas first few months in office? you had thrills shooting up news anchors legs, if anyone had said anything even slightly objective or critical they would have been attacked. There was a sense that their guy was in there, and that is all fine and good. But it really proves that the media is not what they claim to be. Everything has bias, and I dont think that is a negative or positive thing. It just is what it is. Other countries are much better about admitting it and just reporting the way they see things. When you have outlets like the NYTs with 10 stories about Trump in a publication with 9 of them being negative, it is hard to claim you are not biased. The only major source I have seen attempt to, on occasion, be objective is WAPO. The MSM is what it is, and them claiming to be "unbiased" is why they are now written off, as being valid trusted sources to many Americans. Fox does the same shit only to the right; "fair and balanced" maybe their hard news. But they also have a lot of opinion shows that are honest and do not claim to be unbiased hard news shows. Hannity is open about being a conservative opinion show while Anderson 360 pretends to be legit unbiased hard news.
 
Droppersneck said:
Flynn spoke with Russian ambassadors on Dec 29th, apparently, without informing his bosses. I dont know why this is a big deal...
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you don't know why it's a big deal because your characterization is simplistic.

what are your thoughts on miller's assertion that the president's authority should not be questioned?

alasdair
 
Droppersneck said:
I didnt like it one bit, and I thought it sounded hypocritical to what Trump ran on.
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something we can agree on. sure sucks when your guy goes back on campaign promises time and time again. and he's only been in office for three and a half weeks...

and they're not being targeted for everything they do. you're exaggerating a little, here, snowflake :)

they're being criticised for fuck up after fuck up. this is what happens when people fill positions for which they are woefully unqualified.

alasdair
 
consumer said:
Wouldn't it be better to focus on you know running the country and making America great again than going on some witch hunt?
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Trump has moved on and will be MAGA. Jeff Sessions is the AG and responsible for going after the clinton foundation. He already plans on expanding federal laws for going after child sex rings so that is a good first step.

My favorite liberal news source is secular talk. Ali you should try alt media imo. It is much more honest imo
 
consumer said:
I think he is doing a good job of sabotaging the presidency himself by carrying on like a spoilt child.
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He simply does not care. If a commercial irritates him while watching the news expect a twitter message on the following hour. I wonder what happens when things get serious like now with Russia, North Korea, etc. He enjoys playing with people, regardless if it's the Mexican President and their people or Twain and internal China affairs. He's almost 71 and he won't change.
 
Erikmen said:
He simply does not care. If a commercial irritates him while watching the news expect a twitter message on the following hour. I wonder what happens when things get serious like now with Russia, North Korea, etc. He enjoys playing with people, regardless if it's the Mexican President and their people or Twain and internal China affairs. He's almost 71 and he won't change.
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Its absolutely surreal. I have to laugh at his appologists here who think he is the second coming. Glad i am just watching from afar
 
People who are so hated by the left are second coming :)

If this russia thing had any weight, it would have been out a long time ago and Trump would have been removed from the GOP ticket. Do you really think the intelligence agencies haven't been doing some digging? They can spy on our allies and help overthrow governments but not find evidence of a presidential candidate and his allies working with a foreign government? 8)
 
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