Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Yes, I've been to Copenhagen and Dusseldorf.
Bernie Sanders
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Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
So you are claiming that America's economy and future will be better off if education is harder to get?
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
No you can get it, but you have to invest in yourself IE pay for it. Nothing is free/ 'free' college devalues the college degree even further.
All the education in the world won't matter when there are no jobs, and they import/ export the labor force.
All the education in the world won't matter when there are no jobs, and they import/ export the labor force.
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
And how does the US economy do when young adults are unable to buy homes, cars, and consumer goods because they are too busy paying off debt? What about young adults who are avoiding further education because they are afraid of the cost?
Bagseed
Bluelighter
so first you say "it can't be done", then you go on to say that "it doesn't wash" (what?)...
nice contradiction there.
I also wonder why you feel it's wasteful to provide the People with education and healthcare?
but having a smart, healthy population is socialist nonsense don't you know?
alasdair
alasdair
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
You guys have faith in the government and their ability to appropriate funds. Having worked for the federal government, my opinion is, the less they handle the better. I do not waiver from this stance on many issues. One area I do is with private prisons, only the government should run these institutions. Free entitlements and sub par government run health care, are not things I can get behind. Though my opinions, have evolved in the past. For example here on BL I am starting to see the how free speech can be harmful/ offensive to others. So it might be better to censor what one says to spare the feelings of a weaker minded person , potentially offended By facts/opinions.
"i do not waiver. until i do."
alasdair
alasdair
socko
Bluelighter
I agree with you about free college being unrealistic. If it is free to everyone, people won't appreciate it. It feels good to have worked at summer internships and to have gotten scholarshps to pay for my college. I did some interesting weekend jobs to help pay for it too. I worked that much harder in school and got good grades because I had to pay my own way. If my parents had paid for my college, I wouldn't have studied as hard or learned to be independent. I knew plenty of students whose parents bought their college for them and all they did was drink, get bad grades, and drag down the class average and the overall standards.
What I imagined was that a compromise would have happened if Sanders were president. For many deserving people, college is too expensive, and they hurt themselves with debt. He would have called for free tuition. A lot of people did not vote for him because they did not believe this single issue was realistic. Of course, it was not realistic. Congress would have blocked it, but it would have triggered a serious national discussion. A compromise would have happened ideally. Tuition would have become affordable again. One could work during the summer and use that money to pay their own way. This is how it was for the Baby Boomers during America's Golden Age. That is how it is now in France.
What I imagined was that a compromise would have happened if Sanders were president. For many deserving people, college is too expensive, and they hurt themselves with debt. He would have called for free tuition. A lot of people did not vote for him because they did not believe this single issue was realistic. Of course, it was not realistic. Congress would have blocked it, but it would have triggered a serious national discussion. A compromise would have happened ideally. Tuition would have become affordable again. One could work during the summer and use that money to pay their own way. This is how it was for the Baby Boomers during America's Golden Age. That is how it is now in France.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Paying for welfare babies' college is nonsense, we need a eugenics party.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Socko, per usual you prove yourself to be a pragmatist, like myself. I agree the debt burden is unacceptable and that there needs to be a solution.
I know you might not keep up with US politics as much bc you are out of country, but Bernie only lost bc the election was stolen from him. Each day more and more emails have came out showing collusion bt the DNC, media, newspapers, etc and the Clinton campaign to stop Bernie. Also the super delegate system made it nearly impossible for him from the get go.
I know you might not keep up with US politics as much bc you are out of country, but Bernie only lost bc the election was stolen from him. Each day more and more emails have came out showing collusion bt the DNC, media, newspapers, etc and the Clinton campaign to stop Bernie. Also the super delegate system made it nearly impossible for him from the get go.
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
Providing a single payer healthcare system seems to me to be better for our economy than the current employer-tied healthcare system that we have.
How many people are not willing to start their own businesses due to the cost of healthcare on the open market?
How about a sub par system that we currently have? We pay about twice as much per person for healthcare in the US. Our medical outcomes and life expectancies are average.
Sounds like an inefficient system to me.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Before Obamacare I had awesome coverage for half of what I pay now. I dont follow?
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
What were the yearly and lifetime caps?
herbavore
Bluelight Crew
Before the Affordable Care Act I had exactly what I have now: an unreasonably high monthly payment, an unreasonably high deductible and absolutely no regulations on the jumps in cost for the same or equal plans each year when it was time to renew. I am over 60 and have to buy my own insurance as an individual and it is horrendous. My latest renewal has just come in the mail informing me that to keep my very high deductible plan I will have the monthly cost going up from $988 a month to $1224 a month (still with a 5K deductible!). However, based on my income, I get a subsidy from The Affordable Care Act that will pay not quite half. This is still not affordable for me but imagine if the subsidy were not there! And Droppers, lets not forget that the Republicans were trying to block everything but their success was blocking the Public Option. Without a Public Option the insurance companies are conducting business as usual with no restraints.
Bagseed
Bluelighter
damn, when you're used to public healthcare, these numbers just sound absurd :/
cashfl0w_d0nkey
Bluelight Crew
Except that education is exactly the difference between being employed and unemployed in an advanced economy. Low skill jobs are the ones being taken over by machines and outsouced/offshored.
cashfl0w_d0nkey
Bluelight Crew
I've brought this up to him at least twice in the past few months and he has conveniently ignored it both times. I wouldn't expect a response this time either.