Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

[Mycophile]

^^^^

I hear you, but I'm not even trying to build up a stash.

I like being able to buy small amounts when I want to and not when I don't and don't want to have to have massive amounts in my possession and many others feel the same way.

We'll take what we can get of course but I don't think anyone wants to spend years in prison in 10 months for Kratom any more than they do now.

Like I said, i think this is about picking up steam and momentum.

I'm even thinking beyond my own love of the plant that I just hate this ban and it's simply wrong and I think we all feel the same way.

I'd suggest many people on this forum go over to Reddit's Kratom forum because they have a lot more info over there and other ways to write comments that various authorities will see and other ways to try to have an impact on this ban.

They also have an article over there that I tried to post here but which was too large which states that for several years Big Pharma has been working to patent certain isolated Kratom alkaloids for sale in their own products and that that is why they are getting the DEA to do their dirty work for them.

I think we all suspected as much but if this article is in fact legit, which it appears to be, then there's some proof of this now.

So yeah, everyone who reads this should go over to Reddit and make an impact there as well.

(It's not against the rules here to recommend other websites right?? I don't think so...)

 

[Snake_Eyes]

I have enough to last me a few months and I'm not buying anymore unless the ban gets pushed back.

 

[scarlet_tunic]

Perfect!!! That is really good news!! I wish you guys luck!! I guess the US isn't so horrible after all..

 

[Ziiirp]

How am I supposed to push forward my anti-American gov agenda now ?

I guess the new tactics now is overthrowing the Philippines (the president called Obama a son of a concubine, might be staging of a conflict) and infiltrating the drug trade like in Afghanistan.

 

[phr]

I'd be shocked if the ban got overturned or pushed back. This is an emergency temporary ban for them to get their shit together and ban it for good.


Look at marijuana, widely more popular, probably safer than kratom, and even legal in several states. But it's still illegal at the federal level and mainstream politicians avoid the topic. Hell, it's still Schedule 1.
My point is, don't hold your breath.

 

[Oxygal]

Well, I've discovered one easy way to take a Kratom break. I have strep throat and the thought of swallowing plant matter makes me want to puke. Guess I will be saving money this week. ?

 

[Mycophile]

I read an article that was too big for me to post stating that Big Pharma has already isolated the alkaloids/compounds in Kratom and is planning on eventually marketing it themselves and that is why they got the DEA to do their dirty work for them.

IF it's true it's what we all suspected BUT...AT LEAST then we'd have a possibility of somehow getting a more expensive synthesized version of Kratom, either by doctor's prescription if we could pull it off, or if not, well, we all know what happens to prescription medications that get you high, they end up on the street sooner or later...

If Kratom truly becomes banned as proposed, I bet it will eventually be lowered to a schedule saying that it has medicinal value cause if not, then how could Big Pharma market it??

Wouldn't they rather make money off?

 

[Mycophile]

This is a video from a Marine Corps Veteran who's own doctor ran tests on him before and after taking Kratom and approved his usage of Kratom stating that it was in fact SAFE.

I've never heard a doctor's legit opinion on Kratom before, with paper work provided that is visible in the video.

Even more reason why this plant should NOT be banned.

Share these kinds of links on as many sites as we can.

We want to FLOOD the internet with this stuff.

https://youtu.be/vZeHcevje4U

 

[Ziiirp]

I could have told you that.

 

[burn out]

I read an article that was too big for me to post stating that Big Pharma has already isolated the alkaloids/compounds in Kratom and is planning on eventually marketing it themselves and that is why they got the DEA to do their dirty work for them.

IF it's true it's what we all suspected BUT...AT LEAST then we'd have a possibility of somehow getting a more expensive synthesized version of Kratom, either by doctor's prescription if we could pull it off, or if not, well, we all know what happens to prescription medications that get you high, they end up on the street sooner or later...

If Kratom truly becomes banned as proposed, I bet it will eventually be lowered to a schedule saying that it has medicinal value cause if not, then how could Big Pharma market it??

Wouldn't they rather make money off?

They could market their chemical version of it without releasing the plant from schedule 1 just the same way they tried to market synthetic thc without releasing cannabis from schedule 1.

 

[phr]

Does anybody know if Kratom has a warming effect similar to opiates?

By that I mean you do some heroin and you feel much warmer than normal, especially in colder temperatures...

I have very limited experience with Kratom and I haven't done it in the winter yet.

 

[EphemeralOutlet141]

Does anybody know if Kratom has a warming effect similar to opiates?

By that I mean you do some heroin and you feel much warmer than normal, especially in colder temperatures...

I have very limited experience with Kratom and I haven't done it in the winter yet.

I work in cold storage almost every day and I drink Kratom to make it much easier. It's like having another coat :D

 

[Sobrietysucks]

I read an article that was too big for me to post stating that Big Pharma has already isolated the alkaloids/compounds in Kratom and is planning on eventually marketing it themselves and that is why they got the DEA to do their dirty work for them.

IF it's true it's what we all suspected BUT...AT LEAST then we'd have a possibility of somehow getting a more expensive synthesized version of Kratom, either by doctor's prescription if we could pull it off, or if not, well, we all know what happens to prescription medications that get you high, they end up on the street sooner or later...

If Kratom truly becomes banned as proposed, I bet it will eventually be lowered to a schedule saying that it has medicinal value cause if not, then how could Big Pharma market it??

Wouldn't they rather make money off?

My doctor would never prescribe me a narcotic or schedule 1 substance. The whole point of kratom (for me at least) was that it's easily accessible. If I have to get a script, I might as well take oxycodone. The whole thing is just so stupid that I'm not even angry, I'm laughing. What a bunch of dipshits. Nobody wins from the ban. Not even big pharma...unless the purpose of the ban was to drive people back to Pharmaceutical opiates.

 

[phr]

I work in cold storage almost every day and I drink Kratom to make it much easier. It's like having another coat :D

Interesting. During spring/summer/fall I hated how opiates warmed me up. During the winter I liked it.

I haven't noticed it from kratom yet, but it's a subtle drug to begin with. I basically describe it as being like a strong energy drink without the jitters.

 

[JustferFun]

This is a video from a Marine Corps Veteran who's own doctor ran tests on him before and after taking Kratom and approved his usage of Kratom stating that it was in fact SAFE.

I've never heard a doctor's legit opinion on Kratom before, with paper work provided that is visible in the video.

Even more reason why this plant should NOT be banned.

Share these kinds of links on as many sites as we can.

We want to FLOOD the internet with this stuff.

https://youtu.be/vZeHcevje4U

I told my doctor about kratom, thinking that she might be open minded. She had never even heard of it (like the majority of Joe Schmoes), but she told me I shouldn't take it. Typical.

 

[EphemeralOutlet141]

I told my doctor about kratom, thinking that she might be open minded. She had never even heard of it (like the majority of Joe Schmoes), but she told me I shouldn't take it. Typical.

"Here have some pharmaceutical heroin, those darn plants I know nothing about are bad for you!"

 

[JustferFun]

"Here have some pharmaceutical heroin, those darn plants I know nothing about are bad for you!"

The standard line is that you don't know exactly what's in it, it's not controlled/ will vary from batch to batch, not FDA approved, blah, blah, blah....The implication is that we're all too stupid to figure anything out for ourselves and, in effect, the miniscule possibility of some kind of adverse reaction is somehow enough to justify not utilizing kratom despite the enormous benefits.

The "justification" for this ban is an insult to our collective intelligence. The DEA should have no authority in making decisions that are in any way science related. The DEA is like a cult. DEA agents really believe (or used to believe, at least) that they are doing some kind of genuine public service by intercepting pot shipments. They need a reason to justify their existence. They shouldn't have any say in scheduling substances. They are not a scientific body in any way, shape or form and it's almost a conflict of interest for them to be able to schedule things (so they can continue to justify their budget, jobs, and general existence). They have become a self serving entity.

They should take the majority of DEA agents and reassign them to human trafficking - something that would actually make a difference in the world.

 

[JustferFun]

As far as medicinal value, kratom is way, way, way more straightforward than weed. For example, there is absolutely no doubt that it helps with pain. You don't even need a study to figure that that out.

"No medicinal value" and "high potential for abuse" is just.....fucking stupid.

 

[burn out]

As far as medicinal value, kratom is way, way, way more straightforward than weed. For example, there is absolutely no doubt that it helps with pain. You don't even need a study to figure that that out.

"No medicinal value" and "high potential for abuse" is just.....fucking stupid.

I hear what you're saying but I actually think the medical benefits of pot are pretty straightforward. The ONLY reason people don't recognize them is because pot got associated with hippies, stoners and getting high. In other words, it got very much caught up in the silly cultural debate about whether it is morally acceptable to alter your conscious with a substance other than alcohol, tobacco or caffeine. But any person who knows anything about medicinal plants will recognize that pot has medical uses instantly.

And the way our culture has become, it doesn't matter how obvious something is people won't believe it until you show them a study.

 

[SS373dOH]

As far as medicinal value, kratom is way, way, way more straightforward than weed.

"No medicinal value" and "high potential for abuse" is just.....fucking stupid.

Yeah but nobody can deny that is has a "High potential for physical dependency."

The thing is, regardless of it being a safer alternative to h, it still is a mind altering substance and causes physical and psychological dependency. It does not surprise me in the least bit that kratom is going to be scheduled, and it shouldn't surprise anyone else.