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Ohok

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Had an odd phone exchange with a connect today, and wanted to hear your thoughts. I called him up, and after the usual pleasantries, said "Do you happen to know anyone selling good MDMA?" He got kind of upset, and said "Hey man, give me some warning and come up with a slicker way to approach that, you're just using very direct terms there!"

I asked if there was someone else in the room with him or something, he said no, but the way I was spelling out what I wanted was not OK for him apparently. Not sure if he was thinking that it was too obvious to anyone tapping the phone. But in the unlikely event that were happening, it's hard to imagine a way to say it that wouldn't be just as obviously a drug transaction.

Still, I'd like to avoid turning off this connect, do you have any suggestions of ways to say this that might be "slicker", as he put it? Also, any interesting/funny stories about communicating with dealers? Thanks!
 
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^Hahaha perfect. I'm sure he'll be on the wavelength when I bust that out. So most of you tend to do it similarly to how I did, just laying it all out straightforwardly? I had a moment of doubt that I'd always been committing this faux pas and not realizing how people preferred it.
 
I usually get the same things from the same people or are friends enough where I dont do more other then ask to go to their place and handle it vocally. I tend to use terms that are indirect but actual slang if i have to, referring to mdma as molly usually keeping that conversation in line with it being a girl just because it flows better. but lsd is L, ketamine is kitty or k, weed is weed.

Like I said these people are usually friends enough that getting things usually involves more then a parking lot so its not usually an issue. I have had it in the past where I would be talking about dope but get crack instead only once though learned fairly quickly to be kinda direct those transactions are often rushed.
 
Ohok said:
^Hahaha perfect. I'm sure he'll be on the wavelength when I bust that out. So most of you tend to do it similarly to how I did, just laying it all out straightforwardly? I had a moment of doubt that I'd always been committing this faux pas and not realizing how people preferred it.
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Yeah, I'm always straightforward about it. I figure it's not like you're fouling anyone with the molly and uncle sid stuff. If they're super paranoid, like every other word is a code word type paranoid, I'd rather just stop by. Slang can also cause it's own issues, as szuko has experienced. I wouldn't go as far as saying mdma on the phone, but that's because I know plenty of people who do/sell "molly", but wouldn't know what I meant. I remember a friend's guy came into some mda, and was claiming it was "molly dripped with acid". He never heard of mda before
 
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Well, one connect I have doesn't seem to worry about what he says in the slightest. But he's the odd one out. Every other connection or dealer I know are paranoid about it to at least a small degree.

In that case, usually something gets worked out at some early stage in person, I've used and overheard a wide variety of methods to communicate while trying not to say anything implicating, with just as much variety in how likely it is if it were recorded that it would provide any plausible deniability. Ranging from very clever and totally innocent sounding to somehow sounding even more suspicious than had they been direct.

I'd say the best way to obfuscate what's being said depends on what you get, how you get it, etc. Ideally working it into some plausible narrative for where you are and the situation involved that comes off totally normal. All you gotta do is be creative and talk about it in advance. Otherwise inevitably at some point someone's gonna be confused and either make a mistake or just drop the bullshit rendering the whole exercise useless.

What I find frustrating is, from a technical standpoint, with one exception theres not a reason in the world that so long as everyone's using a smart phone that you couldn't keep your communications encrypted and impossible for big brother to read. But unfortunately the exception and reason that's not done is simply that it's not widely known how to do it, and many not understanding how it works wont trust it or use it.

But if we did. Networks of drug users, dealers, suppliers, and so on, could communicate safely, directly, and with impunity, with virtually zero risk. All the technology to do it already exists, and would require very little work or knowledge to adapt too. But despite that it isn't used and needless risks constantly taken simply due to lack of understanding that it's effective and lack of awareness that it can be done.
 
Do you have a favorite encrypted messaging app? Are there apps for encrypted voice communication too?
 
Sure once in a while while talking to close friends about extremely small time shit I'll just be direct about it. But in reality yeah I don't know many people at all that like talking about shit on the phone. I figured it was common knowledge you don't just come right out and say it on the phone. You might not be fooling anyone with using code words and shit, but at least they can't definitely prove that's what you're talking about even if it does sound suspicious.

Depending on who I'm talking to if I always use the same guy for the same drug they usually know what I'm looking for so I don't even really have to say much besides "hey are you good" or "I want to grab a few more of those things from you" or if the guy sells two different things "I need to borrow those same tools as last time".

If it's someone who can get a bunch of different things for you and it's not so clear cut you can still figure out a less obvious way to say things. If I'm looking for acid I'll say something like "hey are you bringing that girl with you to the party again?" and if he asks which girl I mean you can say something along the lines of "you know that one you had with you at Mikes party a few weeks ago, what was her name Lisa, Lucy, something like that?" and he'll say "oh okay I know who you mean. Nah man I haven't seen her since -or- yeah she'll be there, her sister too if you know someone looking for a date" or however the conversation might go. Say something like "did you get a lot of snow at your house that last storm?" if you want coke. If he says "well we did but the driveway's already been plowed, I'll call you next time I need help" that obviously means he's out but will hit you up as soon as he gets more.

It's really not rocket science. Is it kind of stupid and childish? Sure it is, but that's how the game is played. I'm surprised that this is a strange concept for some people. Even if you are small time and the chances of anyone listening in are very slim, there's still no reason to take that chance and be blatantly obvious about it if you don't have to.

If you two are having a hard time understanding eachother and you want to give up on the code words, at least say "fuck this shit, is it straight to talk where you're at?" and he'll probably just say fuck it go ahead. Worst case scenario he'll say no but then come up with some other system that he feels comfortable with. Even if it's stupid in your eyes, he's the dealer risking his ass so just play his stupid little game to make him happy. Like I've had new dealers I met on the street pull out their phone and record me saying "no I am not a cop" so I can't come back and arrest them if I was. Now we all know that is not even a real rule, but you don't go explain that to him, if it makes him happy then just play along it really doesn't hurt anything.
 
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Ohok said:
Do you have a favorite encrypted messaging app? Are there apps for encrypted voice communication too?
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For text, OTR (off the record) is my system of choice, it can work in theory with any messaging service.

I don't tend to use encrypted voice very often, friend of mine who's reliable for this kinda advice suggested something called redphone to me once, but I haven't personally looked into it. Another option is encrypted SIP based VoIP.

But most people I know don't use anything despite being at far more risk and so needing it waaay more than I do. But they aren't knowledgeable about technology and don't tend to believe that communication that can't be intercepted and listened to by the cops is such a thing that exists, and so dont even try.

It's fucking ridiculous given how paranoid they otherwise are.

Same goes for data, information kept as notes or in book. Could easily made impossible for law enforcement to recover if it found its way into their hands but most don't do that either. I keep reminding them but they just don't believe it could work so they don't spend the time finding out how to do it.

These days not getting caught should actually be easier, not harder because of technology. But in practice it doesn't happen most of the time.
 
Depending on who I'm dealing with, if I've known them for a while, we know the drill, and its usually just "you on deck?"/"yeah"/"OK I'm cruising over, be there in 30"/"OK".

With newer sources or if a protocol hasn't been established yet, I'll first ask "can I speak freely on this line?" If they say yes, then just talk normal. If not, then you'll have to meet up in person and establish a protocol.
 
I mean it depends on the dealer. Some are parinoid and some will just call you and ask what you want. I'd find a new guy if I were you. Or hell try torr. Iv heard of success with that.
 
How do you tell a low level ,essential corner boy runner(my plan B budget dope guy) that he is putting too much cut in his dope is a question I'd like guidance with. I mean he even phoned me today and said he received complaints re his last batch what did I think, I said it was mediocre - not the best.

I shoulda gone into specifics but didn't .
 
^if he's asking you for advice tell him the truth, he's putting in too much cut.

for the OP, even though it's needlessly paranoid, just think of words that have the same first letter or are common slang terms. LE knows most of them so it's not really being sneaky but it can make dealers feel better.

Molly, Tina, Mary, Lucy---MDMA, crystal, MJ, LSD
Girl/Boy---C/H
 
Yeah I'm not afraid to tell my connects when their shit sucks.. They don't mind, usually. I think they would rather know if it sucks so they can keep you, and all their other clientele happy and coming back! That's what the dope game is all about... if the connect is good, hell want to have good shit for his people. Or you have the shitty connects with all cut and like 10% dope in their shit, making no money but off of jacking their new customers.. I hate having to find new people. It is so hit or miss with the dope game!

Also I use slang terms, and I use terms that aren't too obvious just in case the phone is being tapped but they are just enough for the dude to know what I am asking for and once he knows what I usually get I just say a number and that's that..
 
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Yeah I'm not afraid to tell my connects when their shit sucks.. They don't mind, usually. I think they would rather know if it sucks so they can keep you, and all their other clientele happy and coming back! That's what the dope game is all about... if the connect is good, hell want to have good shit for his people. Or you have the shitty connects with all cut and like 10% dope in their shit, making no money but off of jacking their new customers.. I hate having to find new people. It is so hit or miss with the dope game!

Also I use slang terms, and I use terms that aren't too obvious just in case the phone is being tapped but they are just enough for the dude to know what I am asking for and once he knows what I usually get I just say a number and that's that..
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Was it you who said that there was a-pvp in your area for a while? Were people actually selling it as a-pvp or calling it by some vague slang term that could also be interpreted as meth? I know that was happening in a few places.

I think these days it is important to be specific when asking for something, just saying 'tabs' or 'powder' instead of LSD or coke could result in a.. misunderstanding.
 
Unless you have a sophisticated preplanned well constructed system of code words it isn't going to matter. Cops aren't stupid, they know common slang, asking to hang with molly, white girl, etc. isn't going to fool them. On the other hand it would be very unlikely for them to go through the effort of monitoring calls, especially for 1/8s and grams and stupid consumer amounts. I've dealt with people with this kind of paranoia, fretting over a couple bucks of drugs.
Its this--drug law enforcement is a business and they will really only pursue people with assets and cash/drugs, cool cars to seize, maybe a dirt bike, it has to pay. It takes a lot of bullshitting around and effort to monitor calls, it doesn't pay for them to do this with small players.
 
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Depending on who I'm dealing with, if I've known them for a while, we know the drill, and its usually just "you on deck?"/"yeah"/"OK I'm cruising over, be there in 30"/"OK".
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With my dealers it would eventually all get condensed down to a three word exchange via text message:

"Good?"

"Yeah"

"OK"

Then I'd stop by their spot and pick up.
 
For me it's basically 'got time to hang out?', or i just straight up ask what i want and howmuch. Depends on the person and how paranoid he is.
 
Over the years this has also been a major source of contention for me. Line tapped? You're ALREADY f*cked, hard. No, slang isn't going to fool anyone, especially because you're sure as heck not going to be taking your low level dealing case to jury trial to make some ridiculous argument that whatever clever lingo you used didn't refer to the drugs the CI/UC bought from you or was seized in the search. And even one slipup like 'yo not on the phone' removes that last shred of doubt.
Oh and text messages? They're stored indefinitely while voice convos need an active tap at the time of the convo.

The worst part is, I *always* explain that if they're interested in real security for their communications, I'd love to set it up. Never any interest besides actual friends who then proceed to use secure channels with me only, which obviously won't help. Reality is it's hard, especially if you want to defend against a federal level investigation. Staying out of jail starts long before a tap is requested and requires physical security practices that are way more important than the digital practices.

Still never had a dealer that doesn't talk openly/obvious obfuscation and text over plain SMS, no matter how many rants about security I go on about.
 
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