Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

[burn out]

You'd personally feel safe dumping it in a dumpster with the possibility that it could be traced back to you??

Would you dump several kilos of heroin in a dumpster and not be nervous that someone would figure out it was you that dumped it there and arrest you for 25 to life??

Afterall, that amount of a schedule 1 substance would be considered trafficking.

I don't know, it's my anxiety disorder acting up.

I want to stock up, but part of me feels like I'll end up with this huge illegal burden on my hands.

I guess I'm just fucking neurotic and that's one of the things this plant has helped with.

Maybe afterall it would be good for me to NOT stock up and just let it go forever so I'm considering that...I mean there's only 2 options there, to stock up or not.

I mean it is just a fucking drug afterall.

I would not be afraid to dump a kilo of heroin in a dumpster. How would anyone figure it out it was me? and if they did, I would say I was keeping with the law, getting rid of it. Id say it showed up in a package at my door step and I didn't know what it was, but thought it looked suspicious so I got rid of it. But if youre not comfortable with a dumpster, burn it or bury it like I said.

Also, just because its schedule one doesnt mean its the same as heroin. For one a kilo of heroin is many more doses than a kilo of kratom. For two, a kilo of heroin is much more tied to illicit activity because you cant obtain it legally. Its not the same as buying something that is completely legal and then (unbeknownst to you wink wink) having it made illegal. OR you could simply say "I bought this kratom, then saw a news article about it being illegal now, so I decided to get rid of it".

I mean, seriously, how can you be charged for getting rid of something that was legal when you bought it? You would be complying with the law by getting rid of it, not breaking the law.

 

[Mycophile]

I would not be afraid to dump a kilo of heroin in a dumpster. How would anyone figure it out it was me? and if they did, I would say I was keeping with the law, getting rid of it. Id say it showed up in a package at my door step and I didn't know what it was, but thought it looked suspicious so I got rid of it. But if youre not comfortable with a dumpster, burn it or bury it like I said.

Also, just because its schedule one doesnt mean its the same as heroin. For one a kilo of heroin is many more doses than a kilo of kratom. For two, a kilo of heroin is much more tied to illicit activity because you cant obtain it legally. Its not the same as buying something that is completely legal and then (unbeknownst to you wink wink) having it made illegal. OR you could simply say "I bought this kratom, then saw a news article about it being illegal now, so I decided to get rid of it".

I mean, seriously, how can you be charged for getting rid of something that was legal when you bought it? You would be complying with the law by getting rid of it, not breaking the law.

I don't know, throwing a kilo of heroin in a dumpster seems a bad idea to me but maybe you are right.

I'm remembering that movie "Return to Paradise" where Joachim Phoenix dumps some hash in a garbage can in Malaysia and the police find it and he gets hung for it lol. That movie somehow kind of messed with my head as a drug user.

I see your point about having bought it when it was legal, but how could you ever prove you bought it when it was legal??

Cause for the sake of argument, I'm even talking about like if I bought a whole bunch of kilos and then a whole year from now or even further ahead in the future I decided I didn't want it anymore and dumped it.

I don't know...the "it showed up on my doorstep" excuse seems like it wouldn't hold up in court.

I know this is kind of far fetched, but it just makes me uncomfortable.

I guess burning it, burying it, or little by little throwing away small amounts of it at a time or throwing bits into bushes in my backyard or a forest back that's back there would seem like a better idea since who would really ever distinguish Kratom powder from dirt if it was all mashed up in their with grass and leaves and the wind was blowing so much of it away?

Probably over a short period of time there'd be none of it left if you scattered it all around the woods as if it were just ashes or something.

Kratom powder is obviously extremely fine and dirt-or sand-like and doesn't smell much like anything other than ground earth IMO so that would probably make it easier to get rid of.

But I just don't know, somehow I can't get this out of my head or let it stop bothering me.

I'm not sure if I should just let it go and say goodbye to Kratom for good or not.

 

[treezy z]

You're not going to have your door kicked in for Kratom unless you advertise you have some bricks or commit some other crime.

If you have it in your closet, don't mention it and don't sell it you're good.

I would wager the majority on the board have at least once had some type of illicit substance in the home, and I would also wager the vast majority of them have not had their door kicked in.

I've known many drug users IRL. Generally the only busts are traffic stops, snitches, and selling drugs to DTs. At which point the door gets kicked in.

Don't sell drugs and don't ride dirty and you're pretty much OK.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

It will last. The problem is, once a plant or substance is made illegal there is really no avenue or pathway that people can go through to make it legal again. It took decades and millions of arrests to overturn the cannabis laws. It will be the same for kratom most likely. Decades from now, it may be overturned as public opinion sways even further against prohibition, especially the prohibition of natural plants and drug policy finally changes. But that wont be happening any time soon.

I tend to agree with your contention that, in this specific case, the ban will last.

There is precedent for an emergency ban lapsing and a substance becoming legal again, though. IIRC this is what happened with ephedrine, which was emergency scheduled by the DEA at one point, only to have the restriction lapse a couple years later. (But correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[Mycophile]

You're not going to have your door kicked in for Kratom unless you advertise you have some bricks or commit some other crime.

If you have it in your closet, don't mention it and don't sell it you're good.

I would wager the majority on the board have at least once had some type of illicit substance in the home, and I would also wager the vast majority of them have not had their door kicked in.

I've known many drug users IRL. Generally the only busts are traffic stops, snitches, and selling drugs to DTs. At which point the door gets kicked in.

Don't sell drugs and don't ride dirty and you're pretty much OK.

While it's true the chances of being caught are unlikely, I personally am not so comfortable having several kilos' worth of a schedule one substance in my house and the thing is, it puts my family at risk also without their knowing.

Also, I forget who it was that said "you can't get in trouble if you bought it while it was still legal" but I HIGHLY doubt that is true.

Why should it matter what it's status was when you bought it??

If you still have it once it's illegal then you are committing a crime.

I'm more and more thinking I don't feel so comfortable stocking up.

I feel like maybe I should just say goodbye to it.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

25 years in prison for a 1 month supply of a drug less intoxicating than weed or beer...land of the free.

many citizens of this country believe that u deserve to do life for having a kilo of kratom....meanwhile they get blinc drunk, drive, beat the shit out of their kids.

in the phillipines they would shoot you like a dog in the street even on suspicion.

i don't understand how humankind is so lost, oh yea islam and christianity.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

While it's true the chances of being caught are unlikely, I personally am not so comfortable having several kilos' worth of a schedule one substance in my house and the thing is, it puts my family at risk also without their knowing.

Also, I forget who it was that said "you can't get in trouble if you bought it while it was still legal" but I HIGHLY doubt that is true.

Why should it matter what it's status was when you bought it??

If you still have it once it's illegal then you are committing a crime.

I'm more and more thinking I don't feel so comfortable stocking up.

I feel like maybe I should just say goodbye to it.

My thoughts on this are how are they going to know that it's kratom unless it labeled? To my knowledge there isn't a field test like there is with heroin, coke, meth etc. and it doesn't have a strong odor like weed. If you're really worried about it I'm sure you can find some bulk containers at an herb and supplement store to keep it in. When I've gone out of town for a couple days I carried my kratom in a valerian root bottle just in case. Even though it was legal why take the chance at getting hassled having a mysterious powder in an unlabeled container.

 

[Oakstone]

My thoughts on this are how are they going to know that it's kratom unless it labeled? To my knowledge there isn't a field test like there is with heroin, coke, meth etc. and it doesn't have a strong odor like weed. If you're really worried about it I'm sure you can find some bulk containers at an herb and supplement store to keep it in. When I've gone out of town for a couple days I carried my kratom in a valerian root bottle just in case. Even though it was legal why take the chance at getting hassled having a mysterious powder in an unlabeled container.

Funny little thing about the odor and appearance; kratom looks and smells very much like henna (an Indian plant used for dying hair and skin). I have both, so if worst comes to worst, I can just say it's henna.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Funny little thing about the odor and appearance; kratom looks and smells very much like henna (an Indian plant used for dying hair and skin). I have both, so if worst comes to worst, I can just say it's henna.

Exactly! I doubt 99% of cops have even heard of kratom.

I've worked with a couple opiate addicts, one who currently is on suboxone and until I told them about kratom they never even heard of it before.

 

[Mycophile]

My thoughts on this are how are they going to know that it's kratom unless it labeled? To my knowledge there isn't a field test like there is with heroin, coke, meth etc. and it doesn't have a strong odor like weed. If you're really worried about it I'm sure you can find some bulk containers at an herb and supplement store to keep it in. When I've gone out of town for a couple days I carried my kratom in a valerian root bottle just in case. Even though it was legal why take the chance at getting hassled having a mysterious powder in an unlabeled container.

Man, I hear what you are saying and everything, but more and more I'm thinking I can't put my family at risk.

Now I told my brother about it and he's begging me not to stock up either and since he knows about it (even though he's never taken it) he'll end up knowing if I do and give me shit about it.

Family pressure like that is hard for me to resist.

I personally know it's pretty unlikely I could ever be caught, but I just don't know anymore.

I've become a bit too obsessed with Kratom as it is so maybe it really is just a sign that it's time for me to say goodbye to it.

It makes me SOO depressed the idea of never being able to take it again, but I just get so obsessed over shit like this, I almost wonder if it's even worth it anymore.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Man, I hear what you are saying and everything, but more and more I'm thinking I can't put my family at risk.

Now I told my brother about it and he's begging me not to stock up either and since he knows about it (even though he's never taken it) he'll end up knowing if I do and give me shit about it.

Family pressure like that is hard for me to resist.

I personally know it's pretty unlikely I could ever be caught, but I just don't know anymore.

I've become a bit too obsessed with Kratom as it is so maybe it really is just a sign that it's time for me to say goodbye to it.

It makes me SOO depressed the idea of never being able to take it again, but I just get so obsessed over shit like this, I almost wonder if it's even worth it anymore.

I hear ya on being obsessed with it and while I am physically dependent, my mental dependency on it is on another level. Do what you think is best, I'm in it until the end and licking the last of the dust coating on the bag that it came in.

 

[JustferFun]

BTW, kratom has kept me straight. But now that it's going to be illegal, I will most likely cave in and go get some H when I get a craving. Thanks POS DEA! This is the biggest bunch of horseshit.

 

[burn out]

25 years in prison for a 1 month supply of a drug less intoxicating than weed or beer...land of the free.

many citizens of this country believe that u deserve to do life for having a kilo of kratom....meanwhile they get blinc drunk, drive, beat the shit out of their kids.

in the phillipines they would shoot you like a dog in the street even on suspicion.

i don't understand how humankind is so lost, oh yea islam and christianity.

You know the Bible actually says that God gave man every plant. It also says there are no destructive drugs (referring to natural plant drugs of course as there were not pharmaceuticals in that day and age)

For he fashioned all things that they might have being,

and the creatures of the world are wholesome;

There is not a destructive drug among them

nor any domain of Hades* on earth,


first chapter, Book of Wisdom (note some protestants will reject this book)


So according to the Bible, kratom is a medicinal plant given to us by God and we have a God given right to use it. Prohibition of plants is completely unChristian. Nowhere in the Bible does it advocate prohibiting plants or making any part of God's creation illegal. All the plants were made for a good purpose and when used with prudence and care, will yield health benefits to the user. Why would God make a whole bunch of psychoactive plants with proven benefits and then want us to outlaw them and put people in cages for having them? It doesn't make any sense from a theological standpoint.

 

[Oxygal]

BTW, kratom has kept me straight. But now that it's going to be illegal, I will most likely cave in and go get some H when I get a craving. Thanks POS DEA! This is the biggest bunch of horseshit.

^ This. Come mid October I'll probably weigh 105 pounds again with my nose dribbling down to my chin. Subs didn't work for me and neither did MMT. For whatever reason, Kratom has worked. I'm not physically dependent bc I've only been using it for a month. But when a craving hits, I dose it and go about my day. That's why this blows so much. Grrrrrrr.

 

[burn out]

^ This. Come mid October I'll probably weigh 105 pounds again with my nose dribbling down to my chin. Subs didn't work for me and neither did MMT. For whatever reason, Kratom has worked. I'm not physically dependent bc I've only been using it for a month. But when a craving hits, I dose it and go about my day. That's why this blows so much. Grrrrrrr.

subs made me depressed and made me feel like I was still a junkie just using a massively inferior drug. the problem for me with opiates is that they numb my emotions making me not really care much about anything except my next opiate fix. kratom doesn't do that, it allows me to live a very normal life and experience my emotions in a healthy way. Its so much of a better drug than heroin or suboxone.

oh well, i guess we still have poppy seed tea and thats not going anywhere because poppy seeds have legitimate food use.

 

[CfZrx]

^Pst eh? seems unreliable. Am I wrong? Probably shows up in pee as morphine so I can't do it no way no how.

 

[JustferFun]

subs made me depressed and made me feel like I was still a junkie just using a massively inferior drug. the problem for me with opiates is that they numb my emotions making me not really care much about anything except my next opiate fix. kratom doesn't do that, it allows me to live a very normal life and experience my emotions in a healthy way. Its so much of a better drug than heroin or suboxone.

oh well, i guess we still have poppy seed tea and thats not going anywhere because poppy seeds have legitimate food use.

I haven't bought pods in a long time, back when you could buy a shitload on e-bay. Are they still easy to get? Any vendor recommendations you could PM me?

I will avoid pods as much as I possibly can because they're probably more addictive than anything given the fact that they contain ALL the alkaloids. I used to love them but they are way more dangerous than kratom.

This is going to screw a lot of people. Kratom was my go-to substance. It's just perfect in every way. I don't think I would've been clean for as long as I have been without kratom (yeah, I know I'm not "clean" in the NA kind of way). I only take it 2-3 times a week, but it's enough to keep me from shooting H.

 

[scarlet_tunic]

What the hell is an EMERGENCY SCHEDULE?

Oh, I'm sorry... people are laying in the streets, drooling, completely messed up, with no jobs because of kratom and this is an emergency. Meanwhile, you guys have a potential president who originally starred in a reality TV show. I'm sorry, no offense, but Rob Ford looked bad for only so long before Donald Trump.

I'm putting my offer out there for Bluelighters... whoever wants to come to Canada, I'll help you out

 

[scarlet_tunic]

I haven't bought pods in a long time, back when you could buy a shitload on e-bay. Are they still easy to get? Any vendor recommendations you could PM me?

I will avoid pods as much as I possibly can because they're probably more addictive than anything given the fact that they contain ALL the alkaloids. I used to love them but they are way more dangerous than kratom.

This is going to screw a lot of people. Kratom was my go-to substance. It's just perfect in every way. I don't think I would've been clean for as long as I have been without kratom (yeah, I know I'm not "clean" in the NA kind of way). I only take it 2-3 times a week, but it's enough to keep me from shooting H.

You need to come up here... to Canada...

 

[Ziiirp]

If I'd live in the states I probably would buy millions of Kratom seeds and dispatch them in the wild in the US. They don't look suspicious when grown (like a little Birch/Akacia maybe from the eyes of a novice) and they don't smell, but they are not as stable as Weed plants/trees, meaning bugs will likely invade them if one does not pay attention.

Anyway you have so much fertile land in the center/southern states, that it is worth a try.

My condolences. US is worse than Russia soon regarding domestic policies.