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garygroundwork

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I only take MDMA every 12 weeks but when I do I go silly and re-dose in order to try and keep the party going all night..I justify this in my head by saying it's only once every 12 weeks it's ok. (4 or 5 pills a night )

However I am now more mind full of the diminished return after the second pill, not to mention the come down which leaves me with brain fog for sometimes over a week after impacting on my cognitive ability.

I refuse to do these high dosages now but I will continue to do one dose of MDMA with a half re dose every 3 months as I love the feeling too much. So for me now it is all about harm minimization to my brain.

My question is this..Is there another drug I can take to keep the party going (e.g Fantasy or Ketamine ) without fucking myself up too much?

Are these 2 drugs as toxic to the brain as MDMA?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Thank you.
 
If you have a compulsive nature to re-dose while under the influence then fanta is a really bad idea; the high doesen't last long and mixing with other compounds or taking just a bit too much can be quite dangerous. I remember ketamine being a popular after-party drug, but it is just as toxic in its' own way and really, neither are a substitute for MDMA.

I think there are lots of people who would like to keep that high going forever, but it isn't very practical and even if people do find a way to maintain even occasional ecstasy use for years and years, it comes down to the individual. After a while on MDMA, I couldn't keep doing it even if I wanted to. I was able to maintain occasional use for a while longer with MDEA & MBDB, which didn't seem to have such a neurotoxic crash - for me at least. They are extremely rare now though.

Apparently MDAI is very similar for some people without the level of neurotoxicity, but reactions seem highly variable.
 
2c-b is one that is supposed to be really good on the tail end of MDMA. It can keep the party going a bit longer without increasing any of the side effects of the MDMA.
 
I enjoy cannabis at the end of the roll. Not only does it keep the party going for another hour or two, I eventually get sleepy and accept that it's all come to an end.
I used to find GHB quite a good way to end a roll as well.
 
Popular drugs for the tail end of MDMA are 2C-B, ketamine, nitrous, and cannabis, or some combo of these.

2C-B isn't toxic at all, but being a psychedelic just be wary of adverse reactions or lingering visual effects as a sign of needing to cut back use and/or dose.

Ketamine is damaging to your bladder, yeah, but once every three months I doubt it will do much to you especially if you're just doin a few bumps and don't rail your way through grams of the stuff.

Nitrous again is pretty safe, it can deplete B12 in the body if over-used but once every three months shouldn't be an issue.

Cannabis obviously has little physical risks at all, as long as it mixes well with you psychologically when sober, it should be a good addition to the tail end of MDMA.

I would hazard a guess and say any of these options should be safer than massive MDMA re-doses all night, but don't take that as fact.
 
thank you for your answers. All interesting and helpful responses.

I've never come across 2-CB
 
You are simply dosing too frequently and need to give your serotonin receptors a rest. Even spacing out "sessions" by 3 months at a time, you'll still burn out maybe in a year.

I would recommend dosing with a "smart drug" combo of Hydergine, Choline, B6 and C daily for the 3 months between sessions. Then on the next session "pre-load" with Piracetam and Choline. If you want details on dosages, etc. let me know.
 
NewLove said:
You are simply dosing too frequently and need to give your serotonin receptors a rest. Even spacing out "sessions" by 3 months at a time, you'll still burn out maybe in a year.

I would recommend dosing with a "smart drug" combo of Hydergine, Choline, B6 and C daily for the 3 months between sessions. Then on the next session "pre-load" with Piracetam and Choline. If you want details on dosages, etc. let me know.
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Thank you NewLove. yes I would be very interested in details on dosages.

'Still burn out even with 3 month rest between rolls' Burn out in what way?

cheers
 
Eventually MDMA loses its 'magic' for many users, and this can also bring with it lingering side effects like social anxiety, HPPD etc. I think generally it's pretty rare to get these negative effects, but loss of magic seems common and if you wanna keep your chances of either at a minimum, it probably is best to do it like once a year really, just as infrequently as possible. Supplement regimens might help mitigate negatives and magic loss though, such as those outlined at rollsafe.org. I think once every 3 months is about the maximum frequency anyone should be taking MDMA. But if you're gonna continue at that rate then switching out your MDMA re-doses for something else, especially something quite benign like cannabis or nitrous oxide, is definitely a good shout.
 
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