Bernie Sanders

[Bardeaux]

^It's more of a necessity than a waste, really. If you want to make your mark on where you actually stand politically, one is probably better off voting third party. If one wants to waste a vote, they can vote for one of the same two parties that have been ruling the country for 150 years

 

[ArCi]

Is that all you guys got? Sarcastic remarks and memes?

It's super grandiose and immature to think that politicians aren't needed for society to function. Every person thinks they would be a great ruler, but how many really understand what it entails? How much do you really know about domestic or international power structures?

The truth of it is that we're at a point in history where life expectancy is at an all time high and the percentage of people living in extreme poverty is decreasing. The world has its problems, but it really isn't that bad. In our government, there are problems with corruption and inefficiency, but it is still successful at the most basic level by simply not allowing the country to fall into anarchy and maintaining a powerful military. Corrupt and inefficient as our politicians may be, the result of their management is far from catastrophic.

I was a Bernie supporter too. I do feel that a certain amount of change is needed in Washington. However, Bernie understands, just like a lot of other intelligent, mature people do, that the #1 priority of the nation is to avoid a major meltdown in national stability. Problems like corruption are only logically handled by carefully dissecting and removing the bad parts. A vote for someone other than Clinton at this point is a vote for destabilizing the country and hoping that it works out. Foolish, in a word.

Well according to cash flow, voting for Clinton is the only option for INTELLIGENT and MATURE people

I still find it amazing how Clinton supporters throw all their opinions at you as if they are facts, and then always end up insulting somebody's intelligence if they don't support her. By the end of this election, I bet you're going to regret making that post. To be fair this was before the leak that the DNC rigged the primaries (which many people already assumed, just needed proof). So idk maybe you have a different opinion now

 

[MMT]

Electing Hildo will change nothing at best and will start WWIII at worst. I'd rather elect Trump to bust up the 2 party monopoly. Better than a full on conflagration.

 

[Vagina Lover]

Instead of "Make America Great Again" she could use the slogan "Up Against the Wall, Motherfucker"

I have always wondered when America was actually "Great", whenever this overused cliché has been uttered.

 

[MMT]

^ Me too,but we did have potential till around November 22,1963. It's been all downhill since.

 

[Vagina Lover]

I suppose there was a redemption on July 20, 1969, but it was short lived.

 

[Droppersneck]

Those emails were not hacked by Russia. I trust Julian assange and take him at his word. Besides hat does it matter when the content of the emails are the bigger deal. This should be Bernie VS trump; at least I would have to consider who I should vote for in that contest.

 

[manboychef]

I have always wondered when America was actually "Great", whenever this overused cliché has been uttered.

It hasn't been great for so long. Well it is great for some, but pretty freaking crappy for the rest of us. I hate when people tell me "it could always be worse." Why does it have to be worse!!!!?!?! Why couldn't we say "it could always be better" and not just say something do something!

 

[MMT]

Those emails were not hacked by Russia. I trust Julian assange and take him at his word. Besides hat does it matter when the content of the emails are the bigger deal. This should be Bernie VS trump; at least I would have to consider who I should vote for in that contest.

Exactly. And now this big brouhaha about Trump sarcastically telling the Russians to release Hildos missing(destroyed) emails. Typical shoot the messenger reaction to distract from the real issue,the destruction of 30,000 emails after they were subpoenaed no less.That's a crime itself !! And if they were all personal emails,where's the national security issue? That's an admission of her lies right there. Whoever has them should release them so the American people can see for themselves if she lied or not. If she told the truth she has nothing to worry about and can only help her. As for Comey Drops,I just don't trust the guy. I think someone whispered "plata o plomo" in his ear and instead of going public he chose plata. BTW,looks like Bernie chose plata too.

 

[David Wooderson]

I suppose there was a redemption on July 20, 1969, but it was short lived.

Can you please give examples of other countries that can match or come close to the amount of progress the USA has contributed to society?

The world is what it is because of the USA, if you live in the 1st world there is opportunity to make something of yourself regardless of anything, if you live in the 3rd world than your kinda screwed, it sucks and isn't fair but life is not fair, at least if you are in that circumstance you could migrate to Germany or other cuck countires and live high on the hog.

Sure there are problems and horrors, but thats human life, the USA has led the world in human evolution and the picture above embodies that

With that said I feel the country started declining after Bill Clinton's oval office bukkake and heavily after 9/11.

I had high hopes after Obama's first election, but instead of real change and progress with control of both houses, he decided to hook up the insurance companies.

With that said I have faith that things can become great again after the country surviving the last 15 years (9/11, 3 wars , economic meltdown , over-prescribed feel good drugs), they have been rough and things are getting better, I personally can not vote for a obvious criminal that dresses like Dr. Evil.

 

[MMT]

Yes Dave but somewhere along the way greed became the American way. There was a time,not too long ago,when small business employed 80% of the population.I hardly think that's the case now. Corporate consolidation and regulation lobbying has changed that, creating a new generation who have accepted wage slavery as the only option. The ACA could have done a lot of good if it wasn't corrupted by big business from the start,further leading to dependence on large corporations as the only affordable option for medical coverage.Many small businesses simply get priced out and also discourages entrepreneurs from even trying.With so many regulations,local,state and Federal,in many cases it's easier to just go work for Megacorp,Inc. That is the Globalist model,work for us or starve. That's NOT the former American way.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

It hasn't been great for so long. Well it is great for some, but pretty freaking crappy for the rest of us. I hate when people tell me "it could always be worse." Why does it have to be worse!!!!?!?! Why couldn't we say "it could always be better" and not just say something do something!

There is not much precedent for things being much better. There are a few cases of modern countries having similar and perhaps marginally better standards of living than the United States, but that pales in comparison to the standard of living that people in most of the world and for most of history have experienced. I feel that anyone talking about what a terrible place the US is right now is seriously undervaluing the stability that comes with living in the US. Being a poor person in the US has its challenges, but you're not going to be starved, tortured, or invaded by a foreign military. If you have a dire medical problem, you get treated. These may seem like really basic things, but are actually fairly unique.

We live in a time where global power structures are relatively stable and it is possible for nations such as ours to have such relative peace. This whole system of what we consider normal only exists because of American military superiority and the ability to exert influence over the rest of the world. In fact, the American military is the only reason that any of the countries that we consider to be first world countries have the state of normalcy that they enjoy today. I think that a lot of the conservative, "America is the greatest" type people that are so derided around here usually actually understand this point better than most, and that is what spurs the patriotic chest thumping. Take a look at WWII for an example of what can happen if the power alignment of the world changes again.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

Well according to cash flow, voting for Clinton is the only option for INTELLIGENT and MATURE people

I still find it amazing how Clinton supporters throw all their opinions at you as if they are facts, and then always end up insulting somebody's intelligence if they don't support her. By the end of this election, I bet you're going to regret making that post. To be fair this was before the leak that the DNC rigged the primaries (which many people already assumed, just needed proof). So idk maybe you have a different opinion now

The DNC thing was obvious, proven or no. Politics is a dirty game and it would be naive to think that these things don't happen regularly. I'm glad that in this case it was exposed, and so going forward we can expect less corruption of this sort.

I stand by my assessment that a person giving Donald Trump a better chance of winning the election is being reckless and putting the security of not only this country but the entire world at risk with their ineptitude. As I said in my post, at the end of the day, the absolute #1 priority in electing a president is in getting someone who offers the least risk to national and world security. I pose this question to anyone thinking of voting for Trump -- What is it about him that makes you think he is capable of heading the most powerful military in the world? Do you really think he is better qualified than the former Secretary of State and wife of the former Commander in Chief? This election literally boils down to giving the Commander in Chief title of the most powerful military that the earth has ever seen to either the most qualified presidential candidate in recent history, or the host of Celebrity Apprentice. If Trump wins this election, I will have lost all faith in our electoral system and its ability to effectively lead the country forward.

 

[noone1]

The DNC thing was obvious, proven or no. Politics is a dirty game and it would be naive to think that these things don't happen regularly. I'm glad that in this case it was exposed, and so going forward we can expect less corruption of this sort.

I stand by my assessment that a person giving Donald Trump a better chance of winning the election is being reckless and putting the security of not only this country but the entire world at risk with their ineptitude. As I said in my post, at the end of the day, the absolute #1 priority in electing a president is in getting someone who offers the least risk to national and world security. I pose this question to anyone thinking of voting for Trump -- What is it about him that makes you think he is capable of heading the most powerful military in the world? Do you really think he is better qualified than the former Secretary of State and wife of the former Commander in Chief? This election literally boils down to giving the Commander in Chief title of the most powerful military that the earth has ever seen to either the most qualified presidential candidate in recent history, or the host of Celebrity Apprentice. If Trump wins this election, I will have lost all faith in our electoral system and its ability to effectively lead the country forward.

If Trump wins it will be because Hillary and the Democrats dropped the ball. The more I hear about what Trump is planning to do with the Republicans the more I get scared into wanting to vote for Hillary. Then I see what she and the Democrats are up to for the week and they can kiss my ass. I'm going to vote third party, it's the only thing that makes sense.

 

[MMT]

Trump : I don't see him trying to box Russia in and basically daring a nuclear adversary with not much to lose to call his bluff. In fact he has said he wants peace and to work with Russia in fighting terrorism (mainly ISIS). He sais repeatedly that he will put America first,in security,leadership,jobs and to rebuild our manufacturing base.I don't believe he is a warmonger but he will stick up for his country that gave him opportunities that through political corruption is becoming harder to succeed.He's disgusted with what America faces if Hillary is elected and loves America enough to put it all on the line to bring us back to our former status as a loved and respected country.

Hillary : Globalist shill who's prime interest is more personal power. She is willing to risk global nuclear war to further the globalist agenda that would put her at the top. I believe she is a sociopathic liar who will say anything to advance her agenda,absolute power.She cares nothing about the poor,minorities,LGBT,muslims the middle class,etc. as they are all just a means to her ends.In short,with the most mighty military power in history at her disposal, she would be the most dangerous person on Earth today,as she will do anything to increase and maintain her wealth and power.

 

[spacejunk]

Trump : I don't see him trying to box Russia in and basically daring a nuclear adversary with not much to lose to call his bluff. In fact he has said he wants peace and to work with Russia in fighting terrorism (mainly ISIS). He sais repeatedly that he will put America first,in security,leadership,jobs and to rebuild our manufacturing base.I don't believe he is a warmonger but he will stick up for his country that gave him opportunities that through political corruption is becoming harder to succeed.He's disgusted with what America faces if Hillary is elected and loves America enough to put it all on the line to bring us back to our former status as a loved and respected country.

How do you surmise such things from such an incoherent verbal communicator who relies on soundbyte slogans, and has a very tenuous grasp (to put it mildly) on the complexity of international politics?
He's proven repeatedly to have little - if any - integrity, and lies without shame.

I think Clinton is appalling too - but i just wonder how you can paint such a rosy picture out of such a frighteningly inept candidate?

What makes you think a greedy celebrity attention seeker is going to have any competence in the extremely complicated field of international politics?
I'm not asking this as a put-down; i'm just curious as to how you've made that leap.

My suspicion - having discussed it with some people in the US foreign service i'm rather well acquainted with - is that President Trump (should he ever achieve that title) would be so out of his depth, that he would be completely reliant on his advisors, backers and GOP powerbrokers (in even the most simple elements of the job) considering that he has no experience whatsoever in any public service type of role.

...which would make him one of the most easily manipulated Presidential puppets the USA has ever seen. At least, that's what i've been hearing.
Maybe i missed the Trump speech where he articulated a mature, rational vision for US foeign policy that didn't simply involve jingoistic sloganeering and populist demagoguery?

 

[noone1]

My question is do you really think Trump isn't going to turn "globalist shill" as soon as he gets into the white house and confronts the realities of the job? Just personally he stands to lose billions if he does half the shit he wants to do, his bussinesses routinely use foreign guest workers and outsource to turn a profit do you really think his handlers and his own family will allow him to do that?

Like his wall policy which will never happen. Do you think we are really going to spend trillions kicking people out and building a wall that won't actually work? Shit look at the great wall of China, walls are great for keeping invading armies out but people snuck in people and contraband all the time easily.

My only reason for wanting Trump is it will lead to a huge backlash of Democrats being sworn in which will block him until the 4 years are up and we get a real progressive in. We will also watch everything he does with a microscope and actually protest against him when he inevitably hands the reign of powers over to the Republican ratfucks who are already sharpening their knives to in turn hand over power to the Conservative Christians and destroy the poor, LGTBQ community and other minorities.

 

[David Wooderson]

Republican ratfucks who are already sharpening their knives to in turn hand over power to the Conservative Christians and destroy the poor, LGTBQ community and other minorities.

What are u talking about?

You do know Peter teal's speech at the RNC was the REAL crack in the glass ceiling. He made the crowd go nuts and they cheered for mentioning his sexuality.

Nobody is going to do anything to the gay community and minorities .

Hillary was against gay marriage in 2008 if u don't remember.

Trump will take care of illegal immigration and fix the holes in the current policy.

 

[noone1]

What are u talking about?

You do know Peter teal's speech at the RNC was the REAL crack in the glass ceiling. He made the crowd go nuts and they cheered for mentioning his sexuality.

Nobody is going to do anything to the gay community and minorities .

Hillary was against gay marriage in 2008 if u don't remember.

Trump will take care of illegal immigration and fix the holes in the current policy.

Oh yes Peter thiel the billionaire who said he doesn't give a fuck about transgender rights, who got plenty of boos during Ben Carsons speech when mentioned.

It's part of the RNC platform to dismantle gay marriage.

Give me a break dude Trump ain't going to do any of that shit, he's going to do whatever his Republican handlers tell him to do.

 

[MMT]

Question : Who is more likely to try and paint Russia into a corner to the point that he will lash out (just like America would if it was tried on us) ? Hillary or Trump ?

Fact is Nuclear War trumps global warming everytime. Nothing else will matter post DEFCON 1