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Gibberings CCXI - Decorating a Horse with Fanny Pads

fwiw i dont buy into all the spirit molecule crap, it's just a hallucinogen, nothing magic about it.
 
Ceres said:
fwiw i dont buy into all the spirit molecule crap, it's just a hallucinogen, nothing magic about it.
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I certainly beg to differ there but we are all entitled to our opinions. My experience with DMT leaves me in absolutely no doubt it is much more than just a hallucinogen. Its ubiquity in nature puzzles me, its effects blow my mind. Its beyond my comprehension but the things i have experienced / seen on it and its lasting changes on me i cant begin to describe. It turned me from an athiest punk into a spiritual being. I am far from alone in experiencing that change either. Its the great unexplainable.
 
Btw i am not really a fan of the Spirit Molecule book / doco or research. Its hardly an ideal setting to be taking DMT. Read Nick Sands essays on DMT ( Google Nick Sand DMT essay. There are two. Highly recommended) for a much better insight, from the first underground chemist to synthesize it, the first person to realise it could be smoked and from a man who has had more than 1000 dmt trips not to mention the greatest acid chemist the world has ever seen.
 
hallucinogens are like the fast food version of spiritual experience, not to say they can't produce profound changes in a persons outlook on the world, just that taking people like terence mckenna and tim leary too seriously might taint the experience.

when I did the mimosa/syrian rue ayahuasca drink, it definately gave me the whole 'the universe loves me and is giving me a big hug' kind of awakenening but it wasn't as profound as other non drug related experiences i've had throughout my life.

it is definately an interesting drug though and I'd like to see more human trials similar to the recent ones that have been conducted with LSD and the brain imaging data.
 
Ceres said:
hallucinogens are like the fast food version of spiritual experience, not to say they can't produce profound changes in a persons outlook on the world, just that taking people like terence mckenna and tim leary too seriously might taint the experience.

when I did the mimosa/syrian rue ayahuasca drink, it definately gave me the whole 'the universe loves me and is giving me a big hug' kind of awakenening but it wasn't as profound as other non drug related experiences i've had throughout my life.

it is definately an interesting drug though and I'd like to see more human trials similar to the recent ones that have been conducted with LSD and the brain imaging data.
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Ayahuasca needs the caapi vine. Having it with syrian rue is a completely different experience. I have done both and the vine adds elements that syrian rue does not. A recent trial found that that chemicals in the vine actually grow neurons in the brain. Let that sink in for a moment...
 
Ceres said:
fwiw i dont buy into all the spirit molecule crap, it's just a hallucinogen, nothing magic about it.
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Can't it be both, in a sense? Of course it's just another substance causing a chain of chemical reactions in vivo. But it could also be said that ego separation experiences that certain psychedelics can cause can change your perspective of self afterwards. That's why I nominate 5-meo-DMT as god molecule as it seems best at inducing this kind of experience with few frills or distractions (again, I'd like to point out I'm not literally saying it is god in molecular form or some bull).

In a sense, I am kind of with consumer on this one just in the sense that DMT experiences seem so intricate and brilliant that it seems crazy to think they don't have some basis in a wider reality, but ultimately I'm undecided on what the experience means. "Magic" seems like a pretty apt description of the experience, at the very least. Shrooms and other tryptamines, while awesome in their own right, seem to me to be very watered down by comparison to DMT. Possibly something to do with it being a closer resemblance to serotonin, but that still doesn't quite explain the extremely clear and otherworldly nature of DMT.

Out of interest, do you consider yourself an atheist? Or do you see ideas of "spiritual liberation" to be possible (not necessarily referring to any particular belief system).

For me, the magic in 5-meo and nn seems to be in the way that they can demonstrate, for a brief time, the fundamental nature of reality in a way the sober conditioned mind cannot. But that is just my interpretation.
 
Is it a northern thing to call cigs tabs?
Never heard anyone use that term when living in south west and london
 
ordinary mind said:
Out of interest, do you consider yourself an atheist? Or do you see ideas of "spiritual liberation" to be possible (not necessarily referring to any particular belief system).
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I'm agnostic (yeah i have comittment issues ;P ) but for sure, also into philosophy so absolutely agree ideas of 'spiritual liberation' arising in individuals are possible without any rigid belief system or adherence to a mainstream ideology....

Most of my ideas about the fundamental nature of reality arise from science but also from ontology and phenomenology, and of course profound drug experiences widen the scope for ideas to test or evaluate, they loosen the rigidity of a sober scientific approach so are basically a lubricant for thought.....

on a more serious note, IM GONNA GET FUCKING STONED TONIGHT.
 
breakcorefiend said:
Is it a northern thing to call cigs tabs?
Never heard anyone use that term when living in south west and london
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Would sorta make sense, i had a mate at school that got his girlfriend 'abbie's name tattood on him. After they broke up another mate from school who had just got his first tattoo gun (think he's a fully fledged artist these days) stuck a crude 'T' at the start so it was 'Tabbie'.... as in tabs/cigs

big improvement imo

forgot to say, this was in central Scotland but you know.... more north than south
 
Ceres said:
I'm agnostic (yeah i have comittment issues ;P ) but for sure, also into philosophy so absolutely agree ideas of 'spiritual liberation' arising in individuals are possible without any rigid belief system or adherence to a mainstream ideology....

Most of my ideas about the fundamental nature of reality arise from science but also from ontology and phenomenology, and of course profound drug experiences widen the scope for ideas to test or evaluate, they loosen the rigidity of a sober scientific approach so are basically a lubricant for thought.....

on a more serious note, IM GONNA GET FUCKING STONED TONIGHT.
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I agree with absolutely EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID ;)
 
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