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When the drugs just dont work anymore.. (sad post)

notselinakyle

notselinakyle

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So this is really sad, and well mostly, annoying. I'm wondering if anyone has experienced/is going through the same thing?

So I've abused ecstacy pills, mdma, and mephedrone really badly in the past two years. To the point where for a while now, I literally dont feel the highs anymore. I tried taking a break (no longer than 2 months on my record) however without any luck. I mean, if i'm lucky the highs will last 3-4 hours tops then I will experience a number of a few things, mental and physical:

-Chest pain
-Neck pain (almost always)
-Spinal shivers
-Tiredness and general fatigue
-Grumpyness/moodyness generally being negative
-Paranoia (mild, mostly auditory, for example I dislike being around loud things after a while need peace and quiet)

I hate this. I genuinley just hate this. I just want to have a good time with my pals, I'm only 19 and I know people have been doing drugs way longer than me and they seem at a better off place. I just dont seem to feel the positive effects of stimulants/amphetamines anymore? I mean I feel fucked, but in a strange way. I reckon it might be because my dosage was very high in my early days, it started high and just kept going higher.

What is there to be done?:(
 
notselinakyle said:
So this is really sad, and well mostly, annoying. I'm wondering if anyone has experienced/is going through the same thing?

So I've abused ecstacy pills, mdma, and mephedrone really badly in the past two years. To the point where for a while now, I literally dont feel the highs anymore. I tried taking a break (no longer than 2 months on my record) however without any luck. I mean, if i'm lucky the highs will last 3-4 hours tops then I will experience a number of a few things, mental and physical:

-Chest pain
-Neck pain (almost always)
-Spinal shivers
-Tiredness and general fatigue
-Grumpyness/moodyness generally being negative
-Paranoia (mild, mostly auditory, for example I dislike being around loud things after a while need peace and quiet)

I hate this. I genuinley just hate this. I just want to have a good time with my pals, I'm only 19 and I know people have been doing drugs way longer than me and they seem at a better off place. I just dont seem to feel the positive effects of stimulants/amphetamines anymore? I mean I feel fucked, but in a strange way. I reckon it might be because my dosage was very high in my early days, it started high and just kept going higher.

What is there to be done?:(
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Well, if the high lasts 3-4 hours -- the drugs still work.

Take the tolerance you have developed as a sign of misuse and a not so subtle hint to take a break.

Research supplements/herbs to help regain serotonin, dopamine, and nor-epinephrine homeostasis. -- I would caution against antidepressants.

Exercise and eat well. Start on a cognitive behavioral therapy program.

At 19, your brain is still developing; recognize that your brain has developed on drugs -- so not being high is a very non-stimulating abnormal place for you to be -- and you will have to adjust.
 
yeah like the above guy said, if you still get high 3-4 hours the drugs are still working. It gets so much worse than where you are, pal.
 
"What is to be done?"

Stop doing drugs for a long time, possibly forever. There's no miracle cure for tolerance.
 
Maybe try to take a 6 month - 1 year break from drugs?
Continue to have a few drinks here and there but stay off drugs. Trust me, I know how it is. I've been doing kratom now 4 - 6 days a week for a year and I'd hate totally going off it :X Your brain gets used to a lot of things.. It sucks.
 
Ive known a lot of people like you, people in worse situations too.

Get off drugs :) i know they are fun but abuse only leads to negatives.
 
JBrandon said:
"What is to be done?"

Stop doing drugs for a long time, possibly forever. There's no miracle cure for tolerance.
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To steal a line from a movie -- "that's not entirely accurate."

We know that in some individuals there is a significant downregulation and loss of binding affinity (SERT and 5HT receptors) that causes tolerance.

A tryptophan deficient diet (on purpose) that reduces serotonin synthesis by 90% has been shown to upregulate 5HT receptors in only 3 weeks in rats.

Bacopa Monnieri upregulates SERT and tryptrophan hydroxylase as well as 5HT2c receptors.


And Shulgin reported reversal of the tolerance developed by 6 consecutive daily doses of MDMA 120-160 mg -- by abstinence from all drugs for a week.
 
You already said it yourself.

You've abused these drugs.

Where is the mystery in your mind?

Don't abuse them and you'll have a better chance of enjoying them when you do use them responsibly.

Sorry if my post comes across as harsh, but I've been there too, and I think a bit of tough love is necessary.

Take a break for a few months and try again at a normal person dose.
 
now like everyone has said a tolerance break is good and trying to get back some of the serotonin and dopamine you lost is also good since your receptors are probably being fucked on a daily

but my solution is a solid almost full proof way of getting out of tolerance which is not to develop tolerance at all

I'm guessing your now looking at me thinking I'm another person telling you to stop using drugs but no I'm not

there is a simple way of doing this which using not just one drug that you stay on whenever you get high Nope you have to develop what I call a drug palate you have to use lots of different classes of drugs see which ones you like and rotate which drugs you use and when you use them as to not develop tolerance while still enjoying getting fucked up

for example never tried disassociates? try them never tried opiates? try them never tried tropanes? try them never tried depressants? try them never tried psychedelics? try them ect

it is a lot like how farmers rotate there crops as to not use up all the nutrients the ground has to offer and to let them replenish I do this and almost never develop tolerance and I love it

of course there are drugs I still prefer and I use them more but my tolerance is still low

I would also recommend if your willing to try them try research chemicals they are wonderfull

of course don't try some thing that could cause serious harm to you or people around always stay safe

but still I'm surprised how little people do this considering it works wonders

anyways kudos

-Streetcow
 
Streetcrow - indeed it does work wonderfully, at developing poly-drug addiction.
 
Indeed - it sounds like you're encouraging poly-drug abuse which almost inevitably leads to poly drug addiction which is a MUCH worse predicament to find oneself in.

I used to have the same mentality as you but trust me it never works in the long run.
 
its worked for me. i advocate the same thing streetcow is saying, i wish i had known to do this when i first started using drugs. in the begining of my drug using career id find one drug and abuse it til it fucked me over, then go looking for another drug and do the same thing with it. eventually i began to realize that as long I rotated drugs i could avoid both tolerance and physical dependence.

now i am not saying if youre a heroin user, you should start using cocaine also. of course thats just going to lead to poly drug addiction. what i am saying is, find as many substances that benefit you as you can and then use them intelligently, rotating to keep tolerance at bay. I found out that I enjoy the herbal/natural substances the best and I keep synthetic for special occasions. a lot of the herbs i use are very low on the addiction/dependence scale but I still get to fill that need to alter my mind.


the downside to this approach is that it takes a lot of time and money spent on different substances in order to learn which ones you like and how to use them and then to maintain your stash. but its still way cheaper than trying to maintain a massive opiate/stimulant habit.
 
burn out said:
its worked for me. i advocate the same thing streetcow is saying, i wish i had known to do this when i first started using drugs. in the begining of my drug using career id find one drug and abuse it til it fucked me over, then go looking for another drug and do the same thing with it. eventually i began to realize that as long I rotated drugs i could avoid both tolerance and physical dependence.

now i am not saying if youre a heroin user, you should start using cocaine also. of course thats just going to lead to poly drug addiction. what i am saying is, find as many substances that benefit you as you can and then use them intelligently, rotating to keep tolerance at bay. I found out that I enjoy the herbal/natural substances the best and I keep synthetic for special occasions. a lot of the herbs i use are very low on the addiction/dependence scale but I still get to fill that need to alter my mind.


the downside to this approach is that it takes a lot of time and money spent on different substances in order to learn which ones you like and how to use them and then to maintain your stash.
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umm no!
 
no to what? I mean, it takes a lot of time/effort reading about the different substances, finding a proper source/vendor, experimenting with dosage and such, before finding out what works for you.
 
The OP never answered to any of this so I dont know why bother... But yeah, I'm bored - my advice is clear, take a fucking break if you can, enjoy the brightness, the clarity that will come with it.

what i am saying is, find as many substances that benefit you as you can and then use them intelligently, rotating to keep tolerance at bay.
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This has got to be one of the stupidest advices I've ever seen. The mere presence of the word 'intelligence' in there gives me the creeps.
 
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