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I heard of T's and Blues on Erowid, something americans did, they had a powerful (more so than benadryl and doxylamine) antihistamine called ahem, trippellenamine. Shooting Talwin with it was apparently heavenly. And yeah, the few times I've shot a Talwin, there was this kind of dissociative effect to it, very slight, but it was pretty damn euphoric, I only had about 15 of them but I also had my first bag of SteriFilts arrive from France for such a low price, it took a couple years to use them all 2010-2012, heavy chippery to dilaudid-crack-like addiction, ugh.

As for naloxone with other opiates, i've had a Targin 80mg, it's OxyNeo with Naloxone,the promotional sheet in the medication book said all the pain killing of oxycontin without the constipation. My friend in germany says this opioid they got called Tilidine is very strong when shot, so all their pills contain Naloxone to prevent shooting it, he said the only country with pure tilidine was Slovenia and went there often. But ya, Targin showed up at the same time as the generics. A 80 was okay after skipping 2 days of bupe, but seriously, the fact there is 5mg and 10mg Targin brings tears to my eyes lol.

Yeah you can still get Talwin meant for IV/IM use in Canada though i have never actually heard of it being used. You had to order Sterifilts? I picked up a fuckload of those back in December from the needle exchange for free and i still have plenty left. As i mostly use generic MScontins these days one can't be too careful.

I have a friend who tried Targin and she said it was absolutely fucking useless. She ended up going into precipitated withdrawal as apparently even though she was taking it orally the Narcan absorbed enough to cause severe withdrawal symptoms.

As for Euro Opioids i really wish they had made Palfium and Diconal over on this side of the pond. Though one can only imagine how much they would be abused.
 
Not sure if they are "meant" for it :) Maybe there is Talwin ampoules like there's ampoules for almost anything, even oxycodone, which I thought was weird when one family member who's a nurse says sometimes they use OxyFast IV solution on some people who got in an accident and already have a tolerance/prescription.
 
Not sure if they are "meant" for it :) Maybe there is Talwin ampoules like there's ampoules for almost anything, even oxycodone, which I thought was weird when one family member who's a nurse says sometimes they use OxyFast IV solution on some people who got in an accident and already have a tolerance/prescription.

Yeah Talwin is meant for IV/IM,SC use atleast according to health Canada. I have heard some concerns about using Pentazocine IV, IM or SC though as apparently it can cause some problems at the site of injection which would be a much bigger issue with IM/SC use rather then IV use of course. Granted the same concerns have been out there about Demerol and that's still in wide use across Canada though not nearly as much as say 10 years ago even. The ampules that contain 30mg's/ML of Talwin are still marketed so they must still be in use abit anyway. I could not for the life of me find any Oxycodone product ever meant for IV/IM use on Health Canada's website. Personally i don't see much point really as unlike Hydromorphone, Morphine and also Pentazocine Oxycodone does not suffer from losing it's efficiency because of first pass metabolism and thus has a about as good as your getting oral Bioavailability anyway. Now i don't doubt that perhaps in some hospitals with compounding pharmacies they do have IV/IM Oxycodone but id imagine it's use would be pretty rare as why not use IV or IM Dilaudid instead?

They do have Oxycodone for injection in some countries though and my Australian friend got it in the hospital due to the fact that she was already on Oxycontin as well as the Ir's for pain. Her doctor was also abit of a Nazi when it came to Opiates as he apparently hated Morphine and Hydromorphone as he thought they where evil "Heroin like" drugs while he had no qualms about prescribing more Oxy then my friend needed or even wanted. She only ended up taking half the dose he prescribed her as her full dose rendered her a fucking zombie and a very itchy one at that. I had a quack doc who was always trying to push Oxy on me as well despite the fact it did fuck all for my TN pain even in ridiculously high doses, basically any other type of pain i had besides the Arthritis i get (for some reason Oxycodone does seem to work well for joint pain) and at higher doses gives me headaches. Again your classic case of quacks thinking all drugs work the same and equally for everyone.
 
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Oh yeah, there is ampoules of pentazocine. I meant the Talwin pills themselves. I saw ampoules of pentazocine for sale on those kinda places I wouldn't risk buying anything on, I stick to real life and clearnet for exotic benzos. A girl I know is allergic to morphine/codeine etc. so she is always given shots of Demerol or Talwin when needed at the hospital (she got a lot of em when she got mono, a girl who's almost 6' foot tall who looks better with a little meat on due to her body style (pretty large hips and boobs and height), she looked like she was anorexic once the mono was gone, but she spent a good 2 weeks in the hospital cos that stuff got so bad to her.

She's really strange. It seems she's also allergic to LSD, she will develop cobweb like veins and high BP off 1/2 blotter of acid, although she can take shrooms or E just fine, I say she's extra sensitive to the constrictive effect of ergoloids on arteries. I was so freaked out when that happened to her, damn.

The family member has used OxyFast when she was working just south in Vermont, the pay was better. I know it's an american only product, I also think it's useless. I was given an Oxycodone pills (an Oxy IR 5mg, thankfully then I was still just toking hash oil everyday and dropping 'cid or E) because of a really fucking painful otitis. Don't know if you ever had a medium ear infection but goddamn the stabbing pain, the nurse guy who didn't act like an idiot and actually looked into my ear with a light because at first he persisted at pulling my earlobe...I never got those kind of swimmer's ears or whatever, I was plagued with otitis all my childhood, probably cos my mom smoked, apparently that doesn't help. But yeah, if oxycodone works fine for you, he made the right decision, well the doctor, after they brought me in the back right away after he said "yep, you got one bad infection here", I told em, I know what that shit is, I had some so often. The decision was more sound as it made me painfree for the time I was at the ER until I waited for the antibiotics script.

That was a while ago, when the newly infiltrated by the right "Liberal Party" whose chief was Jean Charest (ex leader of the PCC when it still existed and reduced to 3 seats in the 90's federally) made his priority massively improving our health system. Man, the waiting time at the ER was ridiculously fast all of a sudden. That lasted about 3-4 years. I remember once I was there at 4 am and the nurse came to the people in the waiting room to tell us to come back at 8 am because the Doctor was going to sleep and only would wake up for people coming in in ambulances who are about to die. I couldn't fucking believe that. Thankfully I got a GP later on, I never had a GP until I was in my late 20's, normally it would be the guy who delivered me, but he died of brain cancer 2 years after I was born. He was one hell of a great doctor apparently, I asked about him to other doctors and they only had awesome things to say about him.

Just my luck to be born 15 years too late in my opinion, but thats something else entirely heh.
 
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Yeah the Talwin pills might be abit dodgy. You can look up the product monograph to see what the fillers are i always do that now after i stupidly shot up Kadians for awile and also Demerol pills both of which have talc in them. Those 50mg Demerol pills where the dodgiest looking things i ever shot and it's a good thing i only shot them p a handful of times or i likely would have gotten talc lung aka Ritalin lung.

My Mom can't take Codeine at all and only Morphine if she's given a anti-histamine like Diphenhydramine or Hydroxyzine with it. For some reason at the ER here they would rather pump her full of Benadryl with the Morphine rather then give her a shot of Demerol or Talwin. They do sometimes give her injections of Dilaudid but even that makes her itch. Demerol works fine for her but for some reason unless your doctor is atleast 50 there is not much chance of getting it these days it seems.

The waiting rooms where awful when i was up in Ottawa. I went to the ER twice while i was there and must have been waiting atleast 10 hours both times. There are only 2 ER's in all of Ottawa not including the children hospital. As Ottawa has over 900 000 people while St.John's has about just less then 200 000 within the metro area yet they have the same number of ER's that just seems fucked to me. When i was waiting to be seen in Ottawa i got talking to this old dude outside who had been waiting there 16 hours as he went in for chest pain and was still waiting on more results from the cardiac test they gave him. But he got sick of waiting and basically told the staff to go fuck themselves and left without even signing out lol. As bad as it is down here you never have to wait that long for things like chest pain here. They usually take you in right away if they suspect cardiac trouble.
 
Ontario is so massively in debt, especially because of those 20 nuclear centrals, which only 2 will be built, they have ordered, it was quite a scandal over there, but it made the provincial debt climb massively. It's a Quebec saying that at least we're not Ontarians. They still gotta pay for 20! The stupid broad who is (or was, I think she was replaced) is also the one that caused a lot of people like me to start shooting up back in 2012 when in her WHAT-ABOUT-OUR-CHILDREN yappin against Oxycontin (not mentioning the Oxy IR's ever) who caused the Oxycontins to disappear.

I was just fine with 20mg of Oxycontin, yes I'd chew it, but screw you. I didn't chew it when I got 40's and up, I would split them (3x80's just before they disappeared helped me taper to normal, but I didn't know why suddenly my old guy was practically giving them to me, he said, you only buy 20's, 30's and 40's from me....split these.And I got a massively reduced price and I was able to to stop feeling like chipping even by eating bits of 80's over a week from 3 of 'em. Then when I wanted something again months later, all that was available was Dilaudid (brand name at least) 4mg and HM Contins 18 and 30. Economics make it so I went to the needle a couple months later.

She's a stupid cunt, the kind where there's a special place in hell for, like Rona Ambrose who pretended to be a doctor for the remainder of Harper's Reign.
 
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Yeah that's kinda like us now except with Muskrat falls. It's hugely behind schedule and so far over budget nobody can even calculate how far it is actually over budget. It was basically something that tin pot Banana republic dictator Williams came up with to give the trades people who had only been pushed into trades by non stop government advertising temporary work. That and it was a way to pay back some of his brown nosers while putting some cash in his own pocket. It's now turned into the biggest economic clusterfuck this island has ever seen which is saying alot given the history of the place. Now the Liberals have tried to remedy some of the economic shit storm by taxing the fuck out of everything on the budget, cutting government services and even adding a 20 cent to the liter gas tax. I guess these cunts don't realize you can't get blood from a stone and are just gonna keep fucking us until it's like 1932 all over again where we almost killed our own Prime Minister as he had fucked the budget of this then country so badly. Long story short he made his escape in a dress lol. Now with the massive rise in unemployment and no hope for the future at all you can no doubt look forward to alot more drug use here.

When Oxy's stopped being the biggest Opiate here is when you really saw the rate of IV Opiate use soar. Oxy was replaced by Morphine and Hydromorphone (MScontin's, M-Esslon's and Hydromorph Contins being the most popular brands) and as neither Morphine or Dilaudid are cheap of course people went right to IV use. Heroin has also started to make big inroads where as years ago Heroin was hard to get here. I can't be fucked trying it though as it's Tar and you need Vitamin C to dissolve it in. It looks like nasty shit when it's drawn up into a needle. Some people smoke it which is what this type of Heroin is meant for but most shoot it up as it's more bang for the buck. Thankfully the needle exchange here carries packets of Vitamin C so the Heroin and Crack IV users don't have to resort to using Vinegar unless it's just out of plain laziness. I have a few packets of the stuff but unless i get some really god Crack i feel like IVing i really can't see myself using it. No doubt injecting dodgy Smack with Vitamin C is a good way to have your veins collapse really fast. I don't have any damage to my veins and few visible track marks and id like to keep it that way.
 
We're doing good and the fake Liberal government is cutting in health services a lot. I mean I live in the only town in North America that has 8 doctors going to people's home, all you have to do is call early and they will visit you. That's how I was prescribed Abstral 200ug when I had that embarrassing skin infection that exploded in a sea of pus and blood at 7:30 am. I couldn't have gone to the ER in this way, would have needed to find a way to drive to the ER somehow. That service prevents a lot of people from showing up at the ER too. Our La Romaine hydro project is doing well and should be finished on time in 2020. Quebec is making money fiscally every year, but the overall debt is played on and repeated, but that's from the past and people are starting to realize this whole debt scheme wouldn't exist if the Bank of Canada printed 100% of the money, not 2% and 98% by a german company at ridiculous interest rates...(that's right).

So the idiot Conservative "Liberals" in power (they won't be there for more than 4 years for sure, only 2 years into it and there's been so many strikes and threats of strikes everywhere, while the PQ is very tied and friends with big Union, which to me is alright, and when they are in power, there's much less crapstorms even if they put on hold the idea of sovereignty, they act as the social-democrat party meanwhile, which I have no objection too, their new leader is history-less, totally clean, which is what they needed, not the CEO of QuebeCorp (who resigned a few months ago).
 
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We're doing good and the fake Liberal government is cutting in health services a lot. I mean I live in the only town in North America that has 8 doctors going to people's home, all you have to do is call early and they will visit you. That's how I was prescribed Abstral 200mg when I had that embarrassing skin infection that exploded in a sea of pus and blood at 7:30 am. I couldn't have gone to the ER in this way, would have needed to find a way to drive to the ER somehow. That service prevents a lot of people from showing up at the ER too. Our La Romaine hydro project is doing well and should be finished on time in 2020. Quebec is making money fiscally every year, but the overall debt is played on and repeated, but that's from the past and people are starting to realize this whole debt scheme wouldn't exist if the Bank of Canada printed 100% of the money, not 2% and 98% by a german company at ridiculous interest rates...(that's right).

So the idiot Conservative "Liberals" in power (they won't be there for more than 4 years for sure, only 2 years into it and there's been so many strikes and threats of strikes everywhere, while the PQ is very tied and friends with big Union, which to me is alright, and when they are in power, there's much less crapstorms even if they put on hold the idea of sovereignty, they act as the social-democrat party meanwhile, which I have no objection too, their new leader is history-less, totally clean, which is what they needed, not the CEO of QuebeCorp (who resigned a few months ago).

Can you believe i only know 1 doctor in this whole province who does housecalls? It's pretty much unheard of these days but my doctor still does it for people too sick to go to his office and he does it before he goes into the office. He's a old guy about 70ish but has far more energy and knowledge then most doctors not even half his age. Also he believes in going with what works not what the big pharma pushes.

I wish i could afford a few Abstral or Fentora to keep around for severe TN pain when i'm throwing up and can't keep pills down and need relief right the fuck now not a hour from now. I don't even know if my doctor would prescribe it right now with all the news Fentanyl is making in Canada and the fact that even though i have cancer level pain the prescribing board would probably ask why he prescribed it to someone not terminal. Hell when i was on the Fentanyl patches i got weird looks from pharmacists as i look perfectly healthy but apparently chronic pain patients are all supposed to look like they are dying. Some doctors and pharmacists don't even believe in giving strong opiates aka anything more then Codeine to non terminal patients. Especially the new out of the box doctors who are brainwashed into thinking all Opiates are bad. My doctor actually told me how he had a old patient on Oxycodone SR for a broken hip and a orthopedic surgeon took her off it cold turkey ffs. She went into such severe withdrawal probably due to her age that she was hallucinating for god sakes and delirious as fuck which is rare but does happen. Needless to say my doc chewed him a new asshole and asked him wtf he thought he was doing.
 
I just perused this briefly...

God, I love Canada.

You guys are so cute...and sheltered. And I mean that as a compliment.

You guys are still talking aboot Percocets and stuff.

Watch out - it's coming.....Be ware.

Yeah, yeah I know aboot The Downtown Eastside and stuff. That place is adorable, too.
 
Hey guys, I just have a general question for you Canucks. If hypothetically I were to take a jaunt up to Montreal for the weekend, am I correct in assuming that the Opioid of choice on the street is Hydromorphone (Dilaudid, HM-Contin)? I don't speak a lot of French, but I seem to remember that "Dilo" was the the term of choice when searching. If anyone could help me out without directly sourcing, I would appreciate it.
 
Yep pretty much, although OxyNeos and if lucky Oxy IR's 10/20's and maybe generic oxycontins which is like the old stuff could land in your lap. We also have things like Codeine Contins, those under 150mg are useless,but the 150 and 200mg ones...taking a couple 200mg ones and crushing them as good as you can and if you aren't allergic/get too many itchies from codeine or you could just go buy a box of generic benadryl, you'll be fine. I gave them in order of appearance, after that it's morphine as MS IR (whichsucks for slamming, almost impossible to filter correctly without a micron filter, Statex are the good IR morphines, they're like dilaudid, only 2 inactive ingredients and thy are harmless and easily filtered out with the stuff that's in the injection kits they give at the ER or syringe exchanges, also street workers will deliver sthem to your home, sterile cups, bacteriostatic water vials, 27 1/2 BT syringes, alcohol pads and a pretty good filter for Dilaudid and crushed HM Contin beads), the XR morphine formulations are more common, Kadians (do not IV, contains talc, what I do is crush all the beads and em them, when it's a Kadian 100mg/130mg I never had a 200mg, I got a generic 2 generic 200mg MS-Contins once and goddamn, once you know how to make them IR,...).

But you're right pretty much, be careful, don't get ripped off, people ask for crazy prices sometimes for HMC's 24mg and 30mg and make sure there's no Effexor XR beads or other shit that comes in XR beads in a cap, some dipshits are known to do that in the streets if you don't know them, more so in Winnipeg and Ontario is my understanding...we're just better people ;)
 
I just perused this briefly...

God, I love Canada.

You guys are so cute...and sheltered. And I mean that as a compliment.

You guys are still talking aboot Percocets and stuff.

Watch out - it's coming.....Be ware.

Yeah, yeah I know aboot The Downtown Eastside and stuff. That place is adorable, too.

Actually I never ever hear of Percocets, doctors script OXY IR/Supeudol instead, knowing people take tylenol so much already, so they can't be pointed at for causing liver damage. I was prescribed Percodans though back when I was on a Codeine Contin 200mg every 12 hours with a Percodan or two as needed for breakthrough pain. Never even saw Percocets, I saw a Percocet-Demi (lol) that my little cousin had scripted from his dentist and one big surgery he had. He said it was to help him sleep at night. Is it me or6when you're a kid, pain doesn't bother you as much. And no, it's not coming, under a very strict extremely conservative reign of 10 years, we had 6 or 7 companies jump at the expired Oxycontin patent, so people didn't need to use that bullshit OxyNeo (our OP's minus the carcinogen, but they still suck ass), you can easily ask for generic oxycontin (called Oxycodone CR here) because either way, provincial insurance doesn't cover OxyNeo anywhere and they,re double the price of generic oxycontins, which are exactly like the old CDN's (OC's). Health is controlled by the provinces here, like many other responsabilities, it's a Confederation, not a Federation, Federations suck, ask my german friends.

Downtown Eastside is the Montreal one?, or Vancouver's?. Vancouver has the most gentrification in the whole country, it wouldn't fly here, 2nd or third most expensive city in the WORLD to live in, so all the regular apartments that were destroyed to build condos..made a lot of homeless people, guess they thought, Vancouver doesn't have a winter like the rest of Canada, they can endure sleeping on benches (at 6 celcius at night, how comfortable). What they did to Vanc is crazy, all because of those Olympics which were awesome, in 2010, but that's what bringing Olympics do to a town and now nobody wants them anymore lol, we don't who's next after Brazil for the summer ones and after the next winter ones, we don't know, nobody is applying. The only travesty of justice we had in Canada regarding Health, is the bitch who controlled Health Canada in the last year of the Harper reign of Terror (if Harper had been Dubya in 2001, he probably would have nuked everyone), we got an exception in Health Canada for medication allowed in other countries which none allowed in Canada do the trick for the person.

Well, 12 people get the swiss pure heroin vials, once she was made aware of that a minister who was minister of about 4 or 5 different ministries who has no knowledge of medicine at all, was put Minister of Health..., she removed diacetylmorphine from the exception medications list. So 12 lucky fuckers in Vancouver can go to the injection clinic, where a nurse will shot you up with anything you want shot up, in the safest way possible, they even got micron filters if you want to inject say a 12mg HM Contin. But yeah, heroin would have been perfect for my ORT, methadone made me gain 110 pounds in 11 months, suboxone gave 26 cavities because the pills are full of lemon and lime extracts and when you suckle on it it increases salivation which also causes cavities. I had 2 cavities in my whole life before that.

It's time they stick their head out of their ass and have a policy like in Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovenia etc. Thankfully we got a much more sensible government now, legal weed all over in a couple years, our largest export (even more than oil) will bring tons of tax revenue.
 
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I'll reply to post this since the edit system is acting so strangely since a while, either the message doesn't appear, or it tells me the message is too short and should contain 3 characters....wtf.

Yep pretty much, although OxyNeos and if lucky Oxy IR's 10/20's and maybe generic oxycontins which is like the old stuff could land in your lap. We also have things like Codeine Contins, those under 150mg are useless,but the 150 and 200mg ones...taking a couple 200mg ones and crushing them as good as you can and if you aren't allergic/get too many itchies from codeine or you could just go buy a box of generic benadryl, you'll be fine. I gave them in order of appearance, after that it's morphine as MS IR (whichsucks for slamming, almost impossible to filter correctly without a micron filter, Statex are the good IR morphines, they're like dilaudid, only 2 inactive ingredients and thy are harmless and easily filtered out with the stuff that's in the injection kits they give at the ER or syringe exchanges, also street workers will deliver sthem to your home, sterile cups, bacteriostatic water vials, 27 1/2 BT syringes, alcohol pads and a pretty good filter for Dilaudid and crushed HM Contin beads), the XR morphine formulations are more common, Kadians (do not IV, contains talc, what I do is crush all the beads and em them, when it's a Kadian 100mg/130mg I never had a 200mg, I got a generic 2 generic 200mg MS-Contins once and goddamn, once you know how to make them IR,...).

But you're right pretty much, be careful, don't get ripped off, people ask for crazy prices sometimes for HMC's 24mg and 30mg and make sure there's no Effexor XR beads or other shit that comes in XR beads in a cap, some dipshits are known to do that in the streets if you don't know them, more so in Winnipeg and Ontario is my understanding...we're just better people ;)

And that sucks P_A, here the 8 doctors are on call all-day, they got these small minivans with red lights on the top, they don't do office work, their whole service is called "'MyTown"-Médic. I can go to my GP for emergencies from 8h30 to 12h30 but considering the place where my infection was (beggining of butt crack, pilonidal cyst that exploded and now its a pilonidal sinus which I gotta keep mega clean. Didn't get an infection and the doctor was old too,certainly in his 70's, but they have women doctors who tend to be younger too, I remember as a kid when my mom called them in as I had a labyrinthitis...I don't recommend it, it's an infection of the liquid in your ears that control your balance...they were super nice, (they always have a nurse with them). And the motherfuckers in power (provincially)want to cut in it, but there's petitions in all commerces in city and at the hospital, and the doctors are threatening to leave to another province if they remove us this service, I think we'll keep it, god knows what would have happened at the ER trying to explain a dumbass nurse that I'm on Suboxone and doctors told me that to tell it when I was in extreme pain or got in an accident, because morphine etc. won't do shit and normally what I'd get is a Fentapop (once) and the guy who came to my home said, oh you're on Suboxone, I'll give you 80ug Abstrals and if that's not enough, the script allows you to call back for a 200ug change.

They better never fuck with this, there's a huge march in the city protesting it, not to our MP's office, he's PQ, it's not his fault, and he's an ex-minister so he's got some weight to support the whole thing. Crazy anyway what you're telling me...my GP does house medicine but only for people with lack of mobility, can't get an appointment friday afternoons as that is what he does those days.
 
They script Dilaudid a lot because of how much one needs to really get high orally. Most people do not crush and snort or IV them. Same with Hydromorph Contins. Goddamn, I can't wait to get off bupe and see what I get since I am on the waiting list, I have to get off bupe, my bupe doctor referred me to a pain clinic. I'll ask for generic Oxycontin though, which I was told I would likely have, when I told the doctor that there's no way I'd want to shoot oxycodone, that it is useless and the BA % etc. They respect me a lot at the ORT clinic, I've shown em I was serious.

8mg dilaudid brand name or even generics are pretty hard to find though...I got like 12 of them in 2010 when I was still a chipper, it was the brand name triangle shaped ones, dear god. Mixing a shot of that with Statex (a IR morphine pill we only got up here which has the same 2 harmless inactive ingredients as Dilaudid, not like shitty MS IR's who even after a lot of filtering...just find the inactive list of products in MS IR's...) Statex 25's was so fucking godly, the closest to heroin I got, and I hear the Dilaudid rush, which is really an opi-crack when used IV, is stronger than heroin's. The Statex 25's (there is 50's, only had 3 of them in my life, like MS-Contins 200's, those are god-tier pills).

But yeah, most people don't shoot up or snort their dilaudid script, which most often is 1 or 2mg ones, they consider their abuse potential to be very low and they're kinda right, had Oxycontins not disappeared for 6 months, and somehow OXY IR's and Supeudols were still around, my guy only had D4's and HMC 18's or 39's when this happened, the cost/effectiveness and how the filters in SecuriCups are good enough to remove the lactose and most of the magnesium stereate.
 
Dude,for real BTH isn't an oil.The problem w/BTH v. Mexi pwd. is that most BTH is like a freelance operation.That's why it varies so much,from decent solid roofing tar to soft,lazy cooked w/ Acetic Acid gunk.One cannot make 70%+ pure heroin without Acetic Anhydride so these freelancers make do by boiling opium(usually right off the pod v. cooked opium that's hella lot cleaner) for hours/days in Acetic Acid.This "synth" creates a product chock full of all the alkaloids present in opium,mostly Morphine and to a certain,though minor extent,diacetyl morphine and 6-MAM(which is what real dope is converted to and gives you that warm hug that we constantly chase).Quality BTH is both an art and a science,depending on the time and pride of workmanship the cook is willing to apply .If you do a little research(UNODC,Drug Bulletins)some researchers wondered out loud why 6-MAM,as easy as it is to make and more potent than 3,6-DAM(aka Heroin) never caught on.But that's another story.

True heroin pwd,be it base or HCl,is just as easy to make albeit more attention to detail,time and the key precursor Acetic Anhydride is required.And the Mexi's knew if they want to expand east of the Miss.River then they had to do it right,which they have with a little help from their Colombian friends who up until recently dominated the EC with their beautiful light tan puro slice of heaven.While the Colo's still produce,the Mexi organized have adopted the ECP method to expand eastward,knowing that was the only way to get a foothold into the lucrative and demanding EC market.As business men, they knew "adapt or die" and that EC junkies would never accept BTH as the only option.After all,that ment competing with Colombian, SE Asian and other,smaller sweet pwd production that always fills the void.The Mexi's have been making BTH since at least the 60's but it's good to see that competition works and they have finally entered the EC fray by reacting and changing to suit EC demand,which is great for the consumer in the form of cheaper quality product.The only problem on the horizon is that they are now producing Fentanyl which in all aspects is by far cheaper than producing quality heroin but is killing off their customers faster than they can replace them.Greed may kill the Golden Goose just as it has started laying eggs!!

Good info here, thanks. I wonder why ECP does not appear in Canada, except in the southern Ontario peninsula that goes south down to Detroit. People in that area, London, Guelph, Hamilton, Kitchener, St-Catherines, Niagara Falls etc. In Vanc, they get both powder and tar. Obviously not all tar is inferior to ECP, as Kurt Cobain would use it almost exclusively and he was a millionaire (despite not wanting to spend much of it, fucking RIP Kurt) and he would mostly smoke it or as I heard him say once "wet snorts", but yeah. He self-medicated with the H, because doctors would not take his back and stomach issues seriously, well until the first *prazole was invented, Omeprazole, I forgot the name it has in the US (brand name), here it's called Losec and doesn't get scripted much at all, its like all doctors unless you ask for something else will give you Pantoloc (pantoprazole) which sucks or Nexium which works pretty damn well. But yeah he didn't have this crooked stance when playing guitar because he wanted to, he had scoliosis. Anyway, it was just to verify
 
Sask,
Dialilud scripted twice...commen where im from. Never came across oxy ever, too bad.


You might have and not even know. Ever hear of Supeudols? They're the best. I'm surprised whenever someone mentions Percocets or Percodans (although I was prescribed Percodan, well generic Percodan, Oxycodan when I was on an around the clock CodeineContin 200mg every 12 hour with a Percodan for breakthrough, but that was 10 years ago). These days doctors if they script IR oxycodone, they use Oxy IR (which is the same as Supeudol), the 5's are blue and have a V on them, same for the 10's but they are white and the 20mg footballs, those I obtained as generic with no brand at all, jar saying simply Oxycodone, and they were red, instead of the usual white 20mg footballs.

Anyway, those are used much more around here (QC and ON. although I saw some ontarians mentioning "Percs" which was strange). They are much better because they contain NO tylenol and are actually approved by the government insurance, unlike percocets or percodans, even the generics are not covered. I think it's a lot because Percocet got itself a bad name, people destroying their livers. This older guy, who was about 7-8 years older than me said he was switched to Oxycontin when it came out because the doctor said it wouldn't make him addicted. LOL. Purdue really were telling shit to doctors. Doctors have had less pharmacology courses than me, and I didn't even finish my BSc, they believe the drug reps a lot. But they wised up to it, hence how often Dilaudid is prescribed, because orally, its less efficient than codeine, if you got 30mg pills or the prescription cough syrup thats pure codeine and can take a real dose, like 250mg. I've eaten 15 1mg Dilaudid pills a long time ago when I had no tolerance and I barely felt it. That's why HydromorphContins are so popular also.

They figure out most people will not snort or shoot them. It's a shame Hydrocodone is almost only used for cough (Hycodan syrup and pills which unlike american Hycodan syrup, is only hydrocodone and is fucking awesome. A company has to pick up Ibucodan or Codofen and market them, hydrocodone would prevent a lot of people getting to shoot up or hell, oxycodone too. They are both perfect because small oral doses are efficient.
 
Id go with Oxycodone or Hydrocodone if you need something for pain and are coming off the Bupe. Hydromorphone especially in the form of high dose Hydromorph Contins are just way too easy to rack up a huge tolerance due to IV use. I went from needing 8mg's for a rush to banging up 72mg's a shot every 4-6 hours in a little over a year ffs. Dilaudid is fucking insane and IV Dilaudid is the second most compulsive thing i have ever taken next to IV Coke. It really is the crack of Opiates when IVed. Also i find that unlike Morphine Dilaudid has virtually 0 side effects so it's very easy to use as much as your tolerance can handle.

I have never had the oral Statex Ir's but i have had the Statex suppositories and i have to say those worked great. I think i had the 20mg ones and they sure came in handy when i was too sick to hold down any pills or to even cook up a shot but still needed pain relief. I think the best Morphine pills i ever had where the 200mg M-Eslon's. I used to get them for a fairly reasonable price instead of the overpriced and sorta dodgy Heroin that the guy was punting off. Well that along with way overpriced Oxycodone CR generics and Oxy Ir's. For some reason some people will go with anything but Morphine first but i was more then happy to snap up the relatively cheap M-Eslon pills.
 
Id go with Oxycodone or Hydrocodone if you need something for pain and are coming off the Bupe. Hydromorphone especially in the form of high dose Hydromorph Contins are just way too easy to rack up a huge tolerance due to IV use. I went from needing 8mg's for a rush to banging up 72mg's a shot every 4-6 hours in a little over a year ffs. Dilaudid is fucking insane and IV Dilaudid is the second most compulsive thing i have ever taken next to IV Coke. It really is the crack of Opiates when IVed. Also i find that unlike Morphine Dilaudid has virtually 0 side effects so it's very easy to use as much as your tolerance can handle.

I have never had the oral Statex Ir's but i have had the Statex suppositories and i have to say those worked great. I think i had the 20mg ones and they sure came in handy when i was too sick to hold down any pills or to even cook up a shot but still needed pain relief. I think the best Morphine pills i ever had where the 200mg M-Eslon's. I used to get them for a fairly reasonable price instead of the overpriced and sorta dodgy Heroin that the guy was punting off. Well that along with way overpriced Oxycodone CR generics and Oxy Ir's. For some reason some people will go with anything but Morphine first but i was more then happy to snap up the relatively cheap M-Eslon pills.

No contest about IV Dilaudid/HM Contins, it's what made me go on the ORT wagon. Because Oxycodone in all forms disappeared from my then town. Oxycontin removal and unable to get Supeudols/Oxy IR.

I'm promised generic oxycontin 60mg by my GP once I get off the bupe man. It's just so long and painful compared to lowering one's methadone dose by 2-3mg a month. Right now I'm taking 10mg a day, 8mg the other, to get used to only 8mg a day. I get all sorts of bullshit, sleep paralysis, chest tightening (blood tests and EKG's say I'm fine so I chalk it up to psychosomatic small withdrawal symptoms. Going from 12 to 10 straight away was much easier. In all honesty, I wouldn't mind being given Codeine Contins 200mg x 4 a day (2 at once) again, I remember being able to fall into a nod with 240mg of IR codeine, when 15-30mg M-Eslons would do barely nothing when eaten. I needed at least 60mg generic ms-contins to feel XR morphine orally when I was just shooting up rarely. I only shot up when I had something I could shoot or was worth shooting (never did it with oxy for instance). Only with Dilaudid, HM Contin powdered beads and Statex (10's, 25's and that one time when I actually thought there was a god, when GIVEN 12 50mg Statex).
 
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