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MDMA Methylene homolog?

Here are some things I could find on the web.

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The full name is 3-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-N,2-dimethylpropan-1-amine.hydrochloride.

MDMA is a psychoactive drug, also known as ecstasy, that is banned in most countries, including the United States. MDMA methyl homolog (hydrochloride) is a potential designer drug created by inserting a methylene group in the methylamphetamine portion of MDMA. The biological and toxicological activities of this compound have not been evaluated. This product is to be used in the forensic analysis of samples that may contain this compound.

Also here is some references I found on another chem seller/research site (TRC Canada)

Heliomethylamine Hydrochloride is the methylene homolog of 3,4-Methylenedioxy Methamphetamine (M303985), an entactogen known to possess potent CNS stimulatory activity.

Ellison, G., et al.: Science, 201, 276 (1978), Escubedo, E., et al.: J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther., 315, 658 (2005), Fayuk, D., et al.: J. Physiol., 566, 759 (2005), Tretter, L., et al.: Neurochem. Int., 50, 139 (2007),
 
^^ interesting update

The bond line diagram here http://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/3,... homolog.pdf looks slightly different to the one above yet the chemical name is the same.

Certainly looks like something the RC crews are putting out there to try and get the closest to MDMA yet legal.

Be great if someone could chime in who has tried it. Perhaps this is the 6APB > MDA match up for MDMA :)
 
futura2012 said:
^^ interesting update

The bond line diagram here http://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/3,... homolog.pdf looks slightly different to the one above yet the chemical name is the same.

Certainly looks like something the RC crews are putting out there to try and get the closest to MDMA yet legal.

Be great if someone could chime in who has tried it. Perhaps this is the 6APB > MDA match up for MDMA :)
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Yes, I would also like to hear from someone that has tried it. But it looks like they are just putting this in pills to trick test kits and it probably is much easier to make because of the easily obtainable precursors and the synth is not that hard either probably.
 
futura2012 said:
Perhaps this is the 6APB > MDA match up for MDMA :)
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What makes you say that?? So far, everything I've seen has pointed to this chemical being near inactive, except for perhaps some peripheral effects.



I think it's pretty simple from what Scureto said, it's simply an easy chemical for them to make and they can probably make huge amounts of it at once... I really doubt there is any other reason for it than that, I mean... it's not like these pill pressers really give a shit what goes in the pills as long as people buy them and think they are good.
 
What makes you say that?? So far, everything I've seen has pointed to this chemical being near inactive, except for perhaps some peripheral effects.
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Currently there seems to be very few reports about it. Where did you hear about its effects?

it probably is much easier to make because of the easily obtainable precursors and the synth is not that hard either probably.
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it's simply an easy chemical for them to make and they can probably make huge amounts of it at once...
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By all accounts it is very similiar in structure to MDMA so I cant really see how its going to be any easier to make than MDMA.
 
Yeah, I didn't mean to sound like I meant it was easier to make than MDMA. I was just saying that is isn't necessarily more difficult. And I was only speculating about the availability of an easy-to-obtain or unwatched precursor - that was just a reasonable possible explanation, but definitely not supported by fact.
 
I would like to say that there have recently been 5 deaths in the Philippines reported to the use of MDMA methylene and a lot more hospitalizations including some friends of SWIM. The drug was made clandestinely and mixed with some other compound so it's not completely sure that this was the compound that caused the deaths but seems the most likely culprit. I would recommend people to be very careful with this compound or stay away completely.
 
QuantumD0M said:
I would like to say that there have recently been 5 deaths in the Philippines reported to the use of MDMA methylene and a lot more hospitalizations including some friends of SWIM. The drug was made clandestinely and mixed with some other compound so it's not completely sure that this was the compound that caused the deaths but seems the most likely culprit. I would recommend people to be very careful with this compound or stay away completely.
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Methylone is not likely to kill you or you would have to take absolutely insane amounts. The oral LD50 for rats is 2460mg/kg so that's for an average weighing man (70kg) about 168grams of the stuff. Now it's not certain this LD50 translates directly to people and you can of course die below the LD50. But if the LD50 in men is of the same order of magnitude it is such an insane amount nobody would be stupid enough to try it, unless they were looking to commit suicide or something. I'm almost positive something else caused those deaths, certainly since it's more than one person that died...
 
BlueBull said:
Methylone is not likely to kill you or you would have to take absolutely insane amounts. The oral LD50 for rats is 2460mg/kg so that's for an average weighing man (70kg) about 168grams of the stuff. Now it's not certain this LD50 translates directly to people and you can of course die below the LD50. But if the LD50 in men is of the same order of magnitude it is such an insane amount nobody would be stupid enough to try it, unless they were looking to commit suicide or something. I'm almost positive something else caused those deaths, certainly since it's more than one person that died...
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Yeah but MDMA methylene homologue and Methylone aren't the same thing. MDMA methylene homologue is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine methyl and Methylone is 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylcathinone. I think the major difference is an extra carbon close to the nitrogen to make the amphetamine. A lot of research chems out there that are very similar. Stay safe guys!
 
QuantumD0M said:

Yeah but MDMA methylene homologue and Methylone aren't the same thing. MDMA methylene homologue is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine methyl and Methylone is 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylcathinone. I think the major difference is an extra carbon close to the nitrogen to make the amphetamine. A lot of research chems out there that are very similar. Stay safe guys!
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Woah, that's a big mistake on my part. Thank you very much for correcting me! OP disregard my entire previous reply, I was talking about methylone, sorry about the incorrect information. Will do some research tomorrow and will reply with correct information after that
 
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BlueBull said:
Woah, that's a big mistake on my part. Thank you very much for correcting me! OP disregard my entire previous reply, I was talking about methylone, sorry about the incorrect information. Will do some research tomorrow and will reply with correct information after that
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It's actually MDDM Methylenedioxy (di-methyl-amphetamine)

It is synthesized by using di-methylamine instead of methylamine (the extra methyl group that gets added to the methamphetamine is what makes it the methyl homolog)

Someone probably fucked up and used di-methylamine instead of methylamine

Here is the PIHKAL entry

https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal105.shtml
 
QuantumD0M said:

Yeah but MDMA methylene homologue and Methylone aren't the same thing. MDMA methylene homologue is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine methyl and Methylone is 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylcathinone. I think the major difference is an extra carbon close to the nitrogen to make the amphetamine. A lot of research chems out there that are very similar. Stay safe guys!
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MDDM -- made by reacting MDP2P with di-methylamine instead of methylamine
 
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