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does anyone have any info on MDMA Methylene homolog? has anyone tried it? i saw it in a few pills on edata and now i am curious about this substance
 
No he doesnt mean methylone. There is a chem in some pills now called MDMA Methylene homolog exactly what he said.

To the OP, i have no idea. Im guessing is something related to MDMA but some how different? IDK im not sure. I was pretty curious my self what that meant.
 
whoa ok. So i found a chem company that sells this shit. But, even more interesting is they apparently sell 3,4-MDMA(Ecstasy) also lol.

Here is the link to it: <SNIP>

Not sure if its legit or not. I think it is but they will only sell to it to certain people. Not sure who those people are? It does say: "This product requires special processing and/or additional information before it can be shipped. A Customer Service representative will contact you within 24 hours of receipt of your order." on the web page for it. It only says this for the 3,4-MDMA but not the other ones.

Please someone explain what the fuck is going on here. Oh and at $$$ for 50mg that is the most expensive MDMA i have ever seen in my life LOL.
 
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Cayman company is actually a legitimate "research chemical" company, and by research I mean supplying laboratories who want to do things like determine various pharmacological profiles via rat tests or forensic analysis or that kind of thing. (Which means if Joe User wanted to purchase MDMA from them, you'd be laughed off.) You can even look up their DEA registration. I'm sure it costs a lot for the same reason that proto runs in electronics are expensive, the chemicals would not be made in bulk quantity and yet would be made to quite high standards (complying with regulations would also add quite a bit of overhead in this case, I would think.)

If you look at the skeletal diagram, you can tell what the difference is: there's an extra carbon on the nitrogen. (Hence the name "MDMA methylene homolog".) I have no idea how this would change effects, but Cayman's probably making it because this chemical was discovered in some MDMA batches for whatever reason.
 
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thizzlemonster86 said:
whoa ok. So i found a chem company that sells this shit. But, even more interesting is they apparently sell 3,4-MDMA(Ecstasy) also lol.

Here is the link to it: <SNIP>

Not sure if its legit or not. I think it is but they will only sell to it to certain people. Not sure who those people are? It does say: "This product requires special processing and/or additional information before it can be shipped. A Customer Service representative will contact you within 24 hours of receipt of your order." on the web page for it. It only says this for the 3,4-MDMA but not the other ones.

Please someone explain what the fuck is going on here. Oh and at $$$ for 50mg that is the most expensive MDMA i have ever seen in my life LOL.
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what caymen chemical does is sell pure chemicals to DEA licensed laboratories as a reference for testing, they don't sell to consumers, and the reason why it is so expensive is because a laboratory only needs a couple MG's to run gc/ms and other tests.

chances are ecstasy data, pill reports, and other dea licensed labs had to buy the mdma from caymen chemical so they can have a pure sample to use as a reference.
 
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The MDMA methylene homologue they are referring to is EDMA (ethylenedioxymethamphetamine). It has an entry in PiHKAL.
 
EDMA sounds like it could be pretty nice, or even EDA. lightforce, do you think it's presence in pressed pills is due to it's psychoactive effects, poor synthesis, or purely to fool test kits.?

I was wondering about that, there's got to be a chem besides mdxx that reacts the same way to at least one of the common reagents. I'm surprised we're not seeing this in the bunk molly scene.
 
Folley said:
^ Why would you say that? Shulgin says it is virtually inactive except for side effects.
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Folley can you please elaborate on that? So whats the deal with the methylene homologue and whats in doing in pills? To trick test kits or or is it psycho active or none of the above?
 
3,4-Ethylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine (EDMA; MDMC) is an entactogen drug of the amphetamine class. It is an analogue of MDMA where the methylenedioxy ring has been replaced by an ethylenedioxy ring. EDMA was first synthesized by Alexander Shulgin. In his book PiHKAL, the dosage is listed as 150–250 mg, and the duration listed as 3–5 hours. According to Shulgin, EDMA produces a bare threshold consisting of paresthesia, nystagmus, and hypnogogic imagery, with few to no other effects. Scientific research has demonstrated that EDMA acts as a non-neurotoxic serotonin releasing agent with moderately diminished potency relative to MDMA, and with negligible effects on dopamine release. Based on Shulgin's reports of essential inactivity at 150–250 mg, it may be more active at higher doses.
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http://www.babylon.com/definition/3,4-ethylenedioxymethamphetamine/


I can't really elaborate on anything as I'm not the one pressing these pills... it seems to be near inactive but would likely fool a reagent kit. As for what it is doing in those pills, I have no clue..
 
Hello Scure long time no speak :)

What would be your take on this homolog? i personally cant see why someone would go to all that trouble to fool a test kit. I assume to add the carbon would be more hassle than making mdma itself.

I cant see the reason someone would make it other than by error.

would be interested to know your thoughts?
 
I think that the same labs or similar labs to those that have mass-produced things like mephedrone and methylone, etc. probably made this because they found a precursor for cheap that had a simple synthesis that went parallel to what they were already doing and figured it was close enough to sell and get people some sort of high. It probably wasn't more difficult than synthesizing MDMA, they probably just started with a different precursor and put it through a fairly similar set of reactions.
 
I think that the same labs or similar labs to those that have mass-produced things like mephedrone and methylone, etc. probably made this because they found a precursor for cheap that had a simple synthesis that went parallel to what they were already doing and figured it was close enough to sell and get people some sort of high. It probably wasn't more difficult than synthesizing MDMA, they probably just started with a different precursor and put it through a fairly similar set of reactions.
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Transform was talking about an alternative precursor and this might explain why some MDMA is grey.

So if you made MDMA methylene homolog or MDMA for that matter would I be right in saying you could avoid the safrol structure all together?

Even with this flow chart I found the safrol structure always seems to spring up.

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Someone wrote an article last year about heliomethylamine in the Southwestern Association of Forensic Scientists journal. The article is not online, which is a shame for my curious nature.

My personal assumption was that it was not a deliberately made chemical, that this is an impurity... however I could be wrong here.
 
scureto1 said:
I think that the same labs or similar labs to those that have mass-produced things like mephedrone and methylone, etc. probably made this because they found a precursor for cheap that had a simple synthesis that went parallel to what they were already doing and figured it was close enough to sell and get people some sort of high. It probably wasn't more difficult than synthesizing MDMA, they probably just started with a different precursor and put it through a fairly similar set of reactions.
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Hmmm. Well this is all very weird. Im not to sure what to make of all of it.
 
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