Mental Health Selegiline...drug interactions?

belfort

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ive read numerous experiences where people report positive reviews of this medication..its an anti depressant that actually raised sex drive and energy instead of turning you into a content couch potato..what im wondering though is i also take kratom and phenibut, would there be any bad interactions with the Selegiline?Selegiline hits the MAOI and i believe kratom does too to an extent but im just not sure how much..

so has anyone taken Selegiline and did you get positive results?did you take other drugs(recreational) with it?
 
Kratom is stimulating, at least in low doses. I think there's reason to believe that it hits some of the adrenergic receptors at any dose. If I recall correctly, one of the alkaloids in kratom is a delta opiate agonist, which means that it lowers the seizure threshold, making a seizure more likely. Adding selegiline compounds these mechanisms. Phenibut will counteract this excitability, but I wouldn't count on it. If you can't, or won't, see a real doctor to deal with your problems constructively, start with a very low dose, and work your way up.

Antidepressants aren't known for that. There are also plenty of stimulating antidepressants on the market (pristiq, effexor, cymbalta, wellbutrin, some MAOIs).

Selegiline doesn't really have a documented antidepressant effect at lower doses, because at these doses it pretty selectively inhibits MAO-B, which deals with sympathomimetic amines (norepinephrine, dopamine, trace amines). At higher doses it inhibits MAO-B and MAO-A, which means that it additionally slows down the metabolism of serotonin. Like it or not, the great majority of antidepressants are effective at doses that somehow (if ephemerally) increase synaptic concentrations of serotonin.

If you decide to take selegiline at lower doses, be extremely careful taking any other stimulants with it. If you're taking it at higher doses, also stay away from hallucinogens, and you should go on a diet to eliminate various neurotransmitter precursors.

So in summary, what you're proposing is pretty dangerous and reckless. People have died in great pain because they didn't follow the diet or because they abused drugs while on MAOIs.
 
Kratom is stimulating, at least in low doses. I think there's reason to believe that it hits some of the adrenergic receptors at any dose. If I recall correctly, one of the alkaloids in kratom is a delta opiate agonist, which means that it lowers the seizure threshold, making a seizure more likely. Adding selegiline compounds these mechanisms. Phenibut will counteract this excitability, but I wouldn't count on it. If you can't, or won't, see a real doctor to deal with your problems constructively, start with a very low dose, and work your way up.

Antidepressants aren't known for that. There are also plenty of stimulating antidepressants on the market (pristiq, effexor, cymbalta, wellbutrin, some MAOIs).

Selegiline doesn't really have a documented antidepressant effect at lower doses, because at these doses it pretty selectively inhibits MAO-B, which deals with sympathomimetic amines (norepinephrine, dopamine, trace amines). At higher doses it inhibits MAO-B and MAO-A, which means that it additionally slows down the metabolism of serotonin. Like it or not, the great majority of antidepressants are effective at doses that somehow (if ephemerally) increase synaptic concentrations of serotonin.

If you decide to take selegiline at lower doses, be extremely careful taking any other stimulants with it. If you're taking it at higher doses, also stay away from hallucinogens, and you should go on a diet to eliminate various neurotransmitter precursors.

So in summary, what you're proposing is pretty dangerous and reckless. People have died in great pain because they didn't follow the diet or because they abused drugs while on MAOIs.

Very good post. Well written/explained and right to the point.
 
yes i will start very low dose Selegiline but i also forgot to mention i dont take kratom daily so maybe i will dose Selegliine on the days where i dont take kratom../

believe it or not i have seen several real doctors about my problems and they would put me on ssris that made me feel worse..months down the drain as i saw it and not surprisingly 2 doctors i talked to said Welbutrin didnt cause increased agitation when i know for a fact, it does..ive tried effexor and welbutrin, effexor didnt do anything but welbutrin helped energy out a bit but increased anxiety as well and blood pressure..then it pooped out and i got off..

oh yes, i will stay away from other stimulants when i take Selegiline..im just disappointed more bluelighter havent taken this..lol
 
yes i will start very low dose Selegiline but i also forgot to mention i dont take kratom daily so maybe i will dose Selegliine on the days where i dont take kratom../

believe it or not i have seen several real doctors about my problems and they would put me on ssris that made me feel worse..months down the drain as i saw it and not surprisingly 2 doctors i talked to said Welbutrin didnt cause increased agitation when i know for a fact, it does..ive tried effexor and welbutrin, effexor didnt do anything but welbutrin helped energy out a bit but increased anxiety as well and blood pressure..then it pooped out and i got off..

oh yes, i will stay away from other stimulants when i take Selegiline..im just disappointed more bluelighter havent taken this..lol

They seem to be suggesting you'd need a special diet for Selegiline though and so I don't know how good an idea this is.

Then again, maybe they are just being over protective as mods.

I once said I was MIDLY CURIOUS about benzedrex even while stating emphatically that I was NOT going to ever swallow a cotton but that I drink a lot of coffee and they became overly concerned for that reason alone...

So perhaps they are just trying help you be safe which is their job but for one they are making me question your decision on this drug right here and being on Lexapro I don't think I'd risk it...but you aren't so I don't know man.

I mean where did you hear that Selegiline was a good idea??

Who suggested it in the first place??
 
Very good post. Well written/explained and right to the point.

:)<3

yes i will start very low dose Selegiline but i also forgot to mention i dont take kratom daily so maybe i will dose Selegliine on the days where i dont take kratom../

believe it or not i have seen several real doctors about my problems and they would put me on ssris that made me feel worse..months down the drain as i saw it and not surprisingly 2 doctors i talked to said Welbutrin didnt cause increased agitation when i know for a fact, it does..ive tried effexor and welbutrin, effexor didnt do anything but welbutrin helped energy out a bit but increased anxiety as well and blood pressure..then it pooped out and i got off..

oh yes, i will stay away from other stimulants when i take Selegiline..im just disappointed more bluelighter havent taken this..lol

Selegiline is an irreversible MAOI. That means that it will take two weeks for any single dose to be broken down.

I'm not doubting your experience or past. People spend years trying to find the right medication, but most would look back and say that it was worth it, because happiness is worth the battle. Wellbutrin and selegiline both are stimulating, though through different means, they both lead to increased synaptic concentrations of stimulating chemicals. Why would you expect to get positive results from selegiline if Wellbutrin didn't help you.

I'm going to try to get this moved to MH. I'm curious as to why you created this thread in this sub-forum, as it's largely dedicated to recreational drug use.

They seem to be suggesting you'd need a special diet for Selegiline though and so I don't know how good an idea this is.

Then again, maybe they are just being over protective as mods.

I once said I was MIDLY CURIOUS about benzedrex even while stating emphatically that I was NOT going to ever swallow a cotton but that I drink a lot of coffee and they became overly concerned for that reason alone...

So perhaps they are just trying help you be safe which is their job but for one they are making me question your decision on this drug right here and being on Lexapro I don't think I'd risk it...but you aren't so I don't know man.

I mean where did you hear that Selegiline was a good idea??

Who suggested it in the first place??

It's true that the moderators have to uphold the ideals of the site. That said, again, people have died in agony from combining drugs/certain foods with MAOIs. People are different, which is to say that some don't find it to be an issue, and others have to be very very careful of what they ingest while on MAOIs.

I remember that benzedrex thread. We were concerned because we hear the same tale again and again on this site of people allowing themselves to be hoodwinked into desperate drug addictions that started out as seemingly harmless acts of curiosity and exploration. No kid who gets offered a perc by his buddy in 11th grade envisions a future of shooting heroin that he bought from pawning his family's jewlery for, in a McDonald's bathroom with toilet water. I'm not trying to be critical, just trying to give you a better idea of where we're coming from. If you feel that you have some deficit that coffee can't help with (in moderation), please see a doctor.

Selegiline isn't really used as an antidepressant. It's given to people with parkinson's to slow down degeneration. It has a reputation for various aspects of health, but as a MAOI, it's dangerous to use without a prescription.
 
I would not touch this stuff unless advised by a doc. I did some self experimentation and could feel myself feeling worse and unstable.
 
They seem to be suggesting you'd need a special diet for Selegiline though and so I don't know how good an idea this is.

Then again, maybe they are just being over protective as mods.

I once said I was MIDLY CURIOUS about benzedrex even while stating emphatically that I was NOT going to ever swallow a cotton but that I drink a lot of coffee and they became overly concerned for that reason alone...

So perhaps they are just trying help you be safe which is their job but for one they are making me question your decision on this drug right here and being on Lexapro I don't think I'd risk it...but you aren't so I don't know man.

I mean where did you hear that Selegiline was a good idea??

Who suggested it in the first place??

i was reading up on anti-depressants that were effective for anhedonia and sex drive..Selegiline was one of very few that actually worked on both of those areas..many positive experiences on the majority of forums..

diet restrictions only need to happen when you take 10 mgs and above..im only going to dose 2.5 mgs starting off..
 
as far as why i posted this in other drugs, honestly its the only foru i post to..no im not trying to use Selegiline to get high..if anything, im trying to use it to help me to get off other recreational drugs..

should be here in afew days..

RITCH-where are ou getting these nightmare stories from?which forum as i want to check it out..the only horror stories ive read about Selegiline is whe it was foolishly combined with provigil or dexedrine..i mean, the positive experiences are whats drove me to seek it out and use it..
 
as far as why i posted this in other drugs, honestly its the only foru i post to..no im not trying to use Selegiline to get high..if anything, im trying to use it to help me to get off other recreational drugs..

should be here in afew days..

RITCH-where are ou getting these nightmare stories from?which forum as i want to check it out..the only horror stories ive read about Selegiline is whe it was foolishly combined with provigil or dexedrine..i mean, the positive experiences are whats drove me to seek it out and use it..

I never talked about horror stories! Just saying the stuff had me feel "very out of it" a few times when I used it. I ordered it online from a solid source. Was simply to feel "less depressed" at the time.

Hard to say why I experience what I did as I was using lots of stuff back then, natural and "other"...
 
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