The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

[MSK]

Haha, I know that feeling somewhat well... I've actually done really similar things on tree meo. I would get really confident from it, the decide, "Let's fucking Tripp balls!", at which point the mania would cause me to make a lackluster decision in dosing way to much, and then start tripping like a mother fucker! I still remember many years ago when I did my first high dose of 20mgs of tree meo then taking 2c-B, LSD, and mescaline(probably some 2c-e too). I started fucking tripping so hard. I literally remember thinking, "Oh fuck looks like I've fucked my brain this time!", just tripping so hard, manically jumping on my bed listening to music. I was literally insane for a couple hours until things evened out...
8(

Well, I've got the stash full of a lot of dissos to choose from, but only with 3-meo-pcp I ended up comboing (not one, but five different times) with psychedelics spontaneously, and I usually plan that shit at least a few days in advance. It seems " tree meo" (loved that!) is the holy grial of mania. I love the mania. The experience feels as natural as psychedelic experiences

 

[xammy]

Lost the plot today with this, alcohol and weed. The best day of my life nonetheless.

 

[Delsyd]

I've also had a few trips on this recently that went pretty far. I'd like to try to explain what happened, but I'm currently coming out of one those trips. So maybe when I sober up a bit ill come back and try to make sense of what happened.
It is a beautiful drug and the experience is very unique.
I wouldn't call it a "hole" because I was fully aware of myself and what was going on around me but I entered a very interesting dissociated place that is reminiscent of kholes but a lot more lucid.

3 meo PCP is a unique drug and deserves respect.

 

[Delsyd]

11:11

Just for the hell of it
Because synchronicity is fun on dissociatives

 

[Help?!?!]

Defintely. That's one of the reasons I hesitate to call it a..."traditional" hole... The state is super unique that has some hole qualities but IMO, totally lacks others.

 

[Bluuberry]

I think the most bizarre part of this drug is how it ramps up the occurrence of synchronicities. It can't be explained away as delusion because the synchronicities I'm speaking of are visible to others. Lately everything is just handed to me from the universe. For example, a couple weeks ago I decided I needed to meet someone with a particular, extremely obscure/rare skill, and a couple days later I got a job that paid rent for the month and at that job site I met someone who is a professional in the skill I speak of and has been doing it for 20+ years. Just one example among maaaaany. I had been feeling really lost on my path, but since discovering this compound it has helped me take some really important steps forward to a better future, which is odd to me because I haven't exactly been responsible with it.

Also, yeah, high doses of this are a nightmare. It doesn't get more fun, it just hurts. In my opinion, of course. Are you guys that are 'holing' doing nasal or oral? I prefer nasal for various reasons but I can't imagine getting anywhere near a hole, this compound is so highly stimulating, a high dose feels more like amp than a sedative. I guess I should give oral another go. I haven't tried it with this batch, but with the last batch I got, I didn't enjoy it much.

 

[yepyepwoah]

So bluuberry what you are saying is

Step 1: Obtain 3 meo pcp

Step 2: .....?

Step 3: Profit

 

[Bluuberry]

That pretty much sums it up.

Assuming you have your chakras opened properly so you can direct the torrent of energy and not just become some shermed out nutjob in a straightjacket. You may have to boof a ruby in order to get that kind of metaphysical alignment if you've been eating red meat.

 

[Help?!?!]

IDK, I'm a real skeptic as I find that's a good policy towards many aspects of life, especially..."Mysticism" of sorts. I don't want to insult anyone by saying that though. I just take those sort of things as "Well that was pretty cool but things are really just coincidences that happen to ocassionally collide.". I'm a firm believer in that if you look for patterns you can always find them if you search long enough or deep enough. This is a common facet of mental illness... "Synchronity" is also a facet of mental illness like schizophrenia/bipolar. I also believe that dissociatives like PCE/PCP derivatives can illicit similar states at high doses and especially in prolonged heavy exposure....

I think things that have high levels of NMDA antaogism do this alone let alone with more promiscuous binding. I personally think you have to be careful about falling into "dangerous" delusional sort of thinking... Once again don't want to insult anyone simply my personal opinion... I mean I've done a lot of dissociatives and psychedelics heavyily(not trying to schtick size just fact...)and none of them have really felt this nutty.

 

[Bluuberry]

Go rain on someone else' parade! No one's forcing you to believe in synchronicity. If you don't even think such a force exists then there isn't much point in debating whether or not any drug could cause it to occur with more frequency to an individual. I think that my opinion about whether or not synchronicity exists is just as valid as yours is that it doesn't. These are just opinions. Be skeptical all you want, this is a concept that can't exactly be scientifically proven (at least not at this point in time), if that's what you need to believe things exist. I was just sharing my experience that I have had a lot more success with calling certain forces into my life while using this compound.

If you think I'm delusional for believing in synchronicity, I can only imagine what you would think if I told you I communicate with plants and minerals! And yes, I think it's pretty insulting to claim someone else is delusional because of their opinions on metaphysics. I'm not personally insulted because I've heard the same thing a million times from other people who seem to think their opinion somehow holds more weight than mine, and I won't bother arguing my point because I honestly don't care if anyone agrees with me. Just saying, if you're genuinely trying not to insult anyone, you may want to think twice about telling them they are crazy for their spiritual beliefs. My beliefs didn't just pop up after a dose of 3-meo, these are thoughts that I've meditated on for my entire life - you're totally entitled to your own opinion but it seems kind of pointless to make a post telling me that you think I'm wrong about whether or not a specific metaphysical phenomenon exists. I'm a skeptic too, however my personal experiences have given me a different perspective than you on what to be skeptical about. But it's all good in the hood, I still love you brotha!!

 

[Help?!?!]

No man your taking it wrong! Why do you think I purposefully put in "my personal opinion" or "not to insult anyone!"?!? Your opinion is fine and your more than entitled to put it out there like I am... I'm putting it out there for HR. Delusional thinking is dangerous and a downhill road. Just like your putting your experience for others to benefit from "synchronicity" I'm putting mine out there. I mean IMO truly I find such talk mainly non sense, but I was trying to be nice and not put that... In regular non drug aided/enabled life to me it's totally fine to make such connections, but drugs induce fallacy in a lot of respects. They can wrongfully boost your ego, cause you to see things in a warped perspective, and that sort of shit on perpuates. Believer me, I've probably done more dissociatives than most people will ever do in a fairly short window of time. Shit I dosed more than probably about three to five grams of tree meo in a span of maybe four years. I've had at least one hundred grams of MXE I used personally over about six years or less. I've done pure PCP and tried a few other more obscure dissociatives. I'm a veteran who's well versed in what dissociatives can do. I'm only trying to push for proper mental health.

If your bagging all your energy dosing tree meo, thinking possibly delusionally, getting hyper focused on unproavable things(the person who founded the term synchronicity even said that currently it cannot be proven by scientific method, which any scientific mind knows is the only way to prove something wholly, at heart I'm a spiritual scientist, I don't put personal feelings into what I put out to others, and if I do I point out that it's simply my thought method...). People refuting your claims, cool shit brah, but you think that's some impossibility that proves indefinitely what your feeling? Cool man, keep your personal belief alive, but your a fool(once again I'm not trying to attack you personally just saying how I feel in general..)to think it's probably much more than random chance! You seriously think there's some chemical that will provide you with some special imperpetual effect? How would that work? Some special synchronicity receptor as of yet unfounded that only drugs like tree meo effects? Pretty delusional. How can a drug provide such an effect. Drugs can't transcend the world physically to make your life better... They can mentally alter you to a point where you see things connected in a web, which really is awsome but that's some personal stuff. If you were like, "Hey this is what my subjective experience was, I'm drawing corralations a couple others have, of course it simply could be drug manifested, but for me personally, it's all there.". If you put it out there like that someone experiencing it is more liable to take it with a grain of salt, not be like, "Oh damn shits real!", and get possibly all obsessive over that shit, which once IMO is a dangerous road to go down. I mean seriously take the time to think how shit can be connected, and you'll draw a lot of fuckin correlations. What you have to think though, (especially not while drugs are dissuading or persuading you... You need a clean mental state for a baseline reading yet another thing scienctically needed to prove its caustion and not just random correlation...), are these ties that close tgat I could truthfully draw this conclusion?

Maybe that sort of thing isn't how you care to do them but it's how I and many others draw REAL conclusions in things, not just attack it with useless personal feelings. In conclusion it's awsome your seeing that, it really is, fuck I hope it is true, shit would be cool as fuck, and it would be a staple for possibly making everyone's life better in extreme ways. I see that as personal experience though grounded by just that. If you provide me with indisputable facts which can be proven by everyone involved definivitily then we'll talk. However with current ways, this is an impossible implausible task, unless you know something which I do not. The reason I say these things is out of HR caring(believe me when I was heavy into tree meo I found tons of connections that felt important that I should elicit to the world but that's mania pure and simple.).

Still though believe what you want, what's important to you! I would never try to deter you from that! The diversity in the melting pot is what makes this existence unique, and I would rather live Ina world fraught with differing personal views than untied simplicities. The world needs bits of both! It's to me what makes life worth living. That's why I constantly said IMO and not to insult anyone! I like you was just thing to put my opinion out there to possibly help someone just like you were, and you actually hated on me for it! It's okay though I'm not mad, that is also a way of the world. It's in a different perspective though if you experienced it pre intoxication which I don't think you pointed out which would've made a world of difference to me. Really though I feel the same way, I'll still love you regardless of how you think, and think evn more highly of you as paradoxically as this post might make it seem for having strong conviction, and clearly being an intellectual person. Probably why I'm so lack luster in that department I have a slight amount of intellect but no real faith in many things wholly. I'm a Buddahist personally though which is also an unproven entity. I guess my "faith" is just strangely and sparsely placed.. Oh and putting challenges out there between ideas is what makes them interesting! Can you imagine if everyone went along with your ideals?!? To me that'd be so fucking boring!

That's super cool man! I don't personally find it relevant but only because I've never done it. I believe in weird things to, but there personal beliefs because they can't truly yet be proven, there is evidence but it's not definitive. I believe in ghosts due to unexplainable personal experiences I and others have had that to me personally are nit able to be explained by any means I have. However you won't see me trying to convert you to that belief... Once again not hating explaining my personal view on the situation. Please believe whatever you want! I just don't want to see someone who possibly is mentally unstable or was unhinged on tree meo to see what you posted and think, "Ahh shit it all finally makes sense!", drawing a conclusion from your personal experience taking it as fact. This then drives them full on to it, causing them pain and difficultly in life. I can tell by your posts, that I think you wouldn't want that. That's part of the thigh with a huge non personal board like this, you've got to understand that thousands upon thousands will probably read your posts and maybe a few of them will actually inquire about it to see the truth behind it. That's HR which you should constantly be thinking about before posting IMO, the continued safety of others(that's what's truly important here! Especially using a potent ass legal chemical! Imagine if a bunch of people started publicly losing it on this and every time they blamed tree meo! You know how fast this shut would be banned?!?). I simply urge you think before you post and post in clear terms for others so they don't get confused, and take it the wrong way. Everyone's guilty of it from time to time, especially whilst fucked(also the problem with regular use of it, it stays in your system unmetabolized for a long time and even when it's been a couple days, it's so subtle so you think your straight when really your not...)I know I certainly am!

 

[dipitch]

My post has nothing to do with 3 meo pcp but Help could you please use more paragraphs in your wall of text? It was an interesting but also exhausting read.

 

[Hexagon Sun]

Sorry, Help, I coulndt finish your last post too.

I didn´t believed in sincros as well, until some enormous sincro trains started to suddenly happen. You don´t even need drugs for it to manifest, but as long as your vibes are higher (and psych and dissos tend to rise dramatically your vibes) the sincros appear.

I also think that you have to be somehow open for it to happen... If you obsessively thinks it can´t happen, then maybe its you that is blocking that force to manifest.

You could do a bona fide experiemnt to try. Of course it´s not guaranteed, but if you don´t lose nothing for trying. Just ask the universe for a train of crystal clear sincros to manifest for you to learn that lesson, wait a bit (maybe 2 hours, maybe 2 weeks or more) and observe the reaction.

The sincro manifestation phenomenon is out there. It happen to drug users and non drug users, to schizopolars and to sane people as well. Ask for it!!

 

[yepyepwoah]

That pretty much sums it up.

Assuming you have your chakras opened properly so you can direct the torrent of energy and not just become some shermed out nutjob in a straightjacket. You may have to boof a ruby in order to get that kind of metaphysical alignment if you've been eating red meat.

First, I hope someone got my South Park underpants gnoemes reference...

And yah. People can call it mystical/metaphysical bullshit but w/e. I know my body and what has happeneed to it. I have experienced many classical "kundalini rising" type experiences. The more I meditate/yoga/eat vegetarian/fast, the more prevalanf the energy becomes.

My personal experiences align with what pretty much all "mystical" religions teach about chakras, chi/qi/energy whatnot.

Synchronicity, like seeimg the license plates dpt 0853 the day after a dpt trip... Yah just random occurance huh? On par with some schizo shit huh?

I am more in line with the report I read of a shaman visiting a mentalinstitution, seeing tortured souls who could have been helped to become great spiritual leaders instead of nutjobs.

They try so hard to convince us this reality is all there is, while they are running shit from the other side. They just dont want us intruding on their playground, levelong the playing field so to speak. So we are marginalized, ridiculed, called insane, and institutionalized.

As stray from the path put it
"So where the fuck is the justice?
Which side are you walking on?
Which side, tell me which side?
Trained to never trust us
(Trust us)
Fuck them
No justice

Break down the control
Or everybody's catching bullet holes"

 

[vortech]

11:11

Just for the hell of it
Because synchronicity is fun on dissociatives

OK now that just made the hair stand up on end. I was about to post in this thread about my experience on 3-meo, and the central theme was about the amplification of synchronicity, and the more I stayed in the flow of my destiny down to the exact right time and space at every moment, synchronicity would be off the charts. 11:11 was one that always gave me a serene reassurance that I was right on time, and it was a powerful rush on 3meo. For weeks, when I used 3meo I experienced off-the-charts synchronicity, and if my consciousness was any less-traveled it would have made me permanently mad trying to comprehend the absurd statistical improbability that continued to increase with each crossing of mind and matter seemingly piercing each other's boundaries of space-time...if that makes any sense- Jung coined the term 'synchronicity', and one of his many descriptors was as a 'Unity of Matter and Psyche'. "Jung believed that synchronicities moved the psyche towards a wholeness."

Jung is famous for his work with Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious. Through this work, Jung stumbled upon a psychic law which he identified and named as synchronicity. Jung realized that many events in our lives occur in tandem with the processes of our psyche, and that our individual psyche is interconnected with the collective psyche of the world, which he called the collective unconscious.
Thus, synchronicity stems from our psyche’s interrelationship with the Universe and the laws of creation, but not as a causal factor, rather as a mirror.
And as it now turns out, Quantum Physics is scientifically proving what Carl Jung had intuited decades ago: Synchronicity is a real phenomenon in which
consciousness and events parallel each other.

"Jung presented Synchronicity in 1951 following discussions with both Albert Einstein and Wolfang Pauli. Jung believed that there were parallels between synchronicity and aspects of relativity theory and quantum mechanics. For him, life was not a series of random events but rather an expression of a deeper order. He also believed that in a person’s life, synchronicity serves a role similar to that of dreams, with the purpose of shifting a person’s egocentric conscious thinking to greater wholeness."

Going back to the archetypes and collective unconscious, I theorize that this is why many people in deep dissociative trips experience some variant of a 'Jesus complex'. They tune into this vary prominent archetype in the collective unconscious and embody it. I experienced this myself, embodying Buddha-Christ for the unspoken intention for the benefit of all sentient life. And so I went around with the belief that I could heal people of their afflictions, and that was my purpose. For instance, heal a heroin addict with a bit of Christ-like unconditional love, a smattering of magical thinking, and a dose of 3-meo. It sounds hilarious I know, but There was a lot of undeniably weird observable phenomena happening.
I experienced this again to an even more absurd degree a few weeks ago on a 3-day 3-Meo-PCE trip, and while I was certainly crazy from an outsider's perspective at my peak, once I came down, instead of 'going mad' I humbly took it as a sign to take this complex interconnected web in my mind surrounding the subject of synchronicity and come to a full-circle resolution by creating this mental construct into a piece of tangible matter. In other words, I needed to write a book documenting the phenomenon of synchronicity. The book is already 30 pages long, and I feel like it is still just the beginning!

 

[+96+]

A friend on facebook just posted about how he keeps running into 11.11

Damn the universe is full of coincidences!

 

[Solipsis]

IDK, I'm a real skeptic as I find that's a good policy towards many aspects of life, especially..."Mysticism" of sorts. I don't want to insult anyone by saying that though. I just take those sort of things as "Well that was pretty cool but things are really just coincidences that happen to ocassionally collide.". I'm a firm believer in that if you look for patterns you can always find them if you search long enough or deep enough. This is a common facet of mental illness... "Synchronity" is also a facet of mental illness like schizophrenia/bipolar. I also believe that dissociatives like PCE/PCP derivatives can illicit similar states at high doses and especially in prolonged heavy exposure....

I think things that have high levels of NMDA antaogism do this alone let alone with more promiscuous binding. I personally think you have to be careful about falling into "dangerous" delusional sort of thinking... Once again don't want to insult anyone simply my personal opinion... I mean I've done a lot of dissociatives and psychedelics heavyily(not trying to schtick size just fact...)and none of them have really felt this nutty.

QFT

Bluuberry It's not raining on a parade if you put things in perspective to warn for ideas or beliefs that can indeed be a possible sign of having difficulties separating significant events or links from patterns that are just random and not really linked.

I promise that it is not a possibility but a high probability that a lot of apparently uncanny 'coincidences' happen all the time if you just consider and calculate the big data of our world and also information spread on the internet, and the statistical probabilities of weird shit just happening.
So much happens in general that some things will just end up lining up beautifully with other things, and sometimes the reason is that there is some isomorphism: a same-ness in some underlying patterns that are shared. Which is not esoteric: there are just many possible reasons why for example people connected to each other share tendencies. And that will only increase the possibility of random shit lining up.
What Help?!? is a firm believer in is more than a belief, it's just maths.

Just don't read much more into it. With more reasonable explanations available you don't need beliefs that are much more convoluted and less plausible. Or if you do want to believe, just at least keep in mind that you are indulging yourself.

Nobody ever said that there is something wrong with fantasies either, it is just when people start mixing fantasies up with reality that you get problems.

But! I don't want to shit on mysticism, I disagree on that. There is sometimes tremendous power in experiences even if they are in ways ineffable. That is not like fantasies though, just like growing as a person is not the same as acquiring beliefs or superstitions.
There are plenty of 'secondary' derivations from mystical experiences and some have coalesced into what are pretty much religions. I have some experience with Zen though, which actually is not necessarily religious or unempirical (I disregard the very traditional doctrine side here), but instead mostly provides 'exercizes' that help you doubt beliefs, which is I think a very healthy thing to do.

 

[Ziiirp]

Dissociatives seem to be quite entheogenic for some people. For classic psychedelics usually the 5HT1-a receptor (correct me, if this is wrong, the source is one of my books, which I don't have at hand right now) affinity is mentioned as an indicator to create a feeling of a godly presence, synchronicity with the earth's vibration/oscillation.

I wonder which mechanism is responsible in dissociatives to create this feeling of oneness with the fate.

 

[Bluuberry]

Guys, guys.. Lots to address here.

First of all, let it be known that I am extremely sarcastic and satirical. I'm something of a jester/fool. A lot of my jokes seem to not be understood through text. The raining on my parade thing was just a joke.

Help?!?, first of all I gotta say that using paragraphs would make it a lot more pleasant to read your posts. However, I like you enough that I read through the entire wall of text, even though it gave me a headache. You misunderstood, my friend. I am not hating on anything you said.

edit: You've gotta be fucking kidding me. I just spent an hour writing extremely detailed, personal, coherent responses to everyones posts, and when I hit the post button it only posted the first 5% of what I typed. Mods, is there any way of obtaining this information from the ethers or is it just gone?

Fuck, that was a really long post that I put so much mental effort into. Ugh. So much love I tried to share with ya'll just vanished. It said it was auto-saved!

Help!?!, I wrote you a couple paragraphs in my post that vanished, but mostly I was trying to tell you that I wasn't offended at all, I think you're awesome, and I love that we have the intellectual capacity to converse about such fine points.

Well, I literally replied to every single post after my last one, but my internet time for today is done and my intellectual efforts are somewhat exhausted.

yepyepwoah, want to give you a standing ovation for that last post. You and I are spirit fam for sure. Like I did for everyone else, I wrote a bunch of stuff particularly directed towards you, but I don't have the time to write it all out again. Unless mods can find my ghosted post I'll have to either write you back later or just hit you up on the telep-a-phone. (p.s. your south park reference was not lost on me, and made me actually "lol")

edit-edit: Damn I'm REALLY bummed out that post vanished. I gave everyone some really deep, heartfelt thoughts and comments. I pulled that shit out of somewhere really deep in me and I'm not sure if I can replicate it later, since it actually was so sincere and in-depth.

 

[yepyepwoah]

Shit happens to me all the time when I post on my phone. Like I will hit post, then it says im not logged in. Log in, postis gone. Hit back, nothng. The report I wrote in the swirly thread day or so ago, I had actually written the day before and I fucked it off somehow. What I retyped saved only a remnant of a remnant (Wheel of Time anyone? I am on my 2nd read through, currently book 12 "The Gathering Storm". Im rushing through because I know so many good parts are comming, but two books peft and I feel like I am losing my best friends :-( )

Appreciate the thought bluuberry. Makes me feel not so alone and fucked off.