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EADD Theology Thread - Chapter III: Trinity

It can make a difference - my parents' 'pearls of wisdom' were the main reason i saw through the bullshit i was taught in school (or their brainwashing took if you like). I'd actually be much more worried about what kids will be taught by normal non-religious schools if the writing on the walls about 'extremism' and gove's fantasies of churchillisation of history come to pass
 
Not all Christians are brainwashed. I'm not. My mam's an athiet. I made my own mind up n always pray every night n God answers my prayers too. We all have our different beliefs that's what makes life excuting. And as long as we respect one anothers beliefs n are civil with each other all's good. All my friends n family (bar my late Nain) are sthiests.

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Everyone's brainwashed (i was jokingly referring to my own parents' brainwashing of me: brainwashing is generally what we call it when we disagree with it - when we agree we say learning or something). Everyone gets a big chunk of their views given to them by parents/authority figure which they pass on unthinkingly (the 'parent' in transactional analysis) - some/many go through a period where they think about and maybe drop the views they got from their parents and pick their own (this is the 'adult' in TA); even then the 'parent' is still there, if only in negative. This is just psychology and nothing to do with christianity.
 
That's called socialisation Vurt. However, the way religion permeates our lives without us even knowing it is insidious. Checck how many times you (I, if you like) use 'God' in our language - and I'm a devout ;) atheist.

Chilling.
 
It is chilling (though satisfying to say "jesus twatting motherfingering christ" upon toe-stubbing nonetheless); and yet it only works like that because it taps into deep veins in our subconsciousness (like the superego/parent to drag it back to ta). There's something religious in our psychology that can't be avoided - in a secularised society it just returns in other forms (from the day to day magical thinking we all fall into, the average div on the bus solemnly reciting big bang cosmology, overarching conspiracies that answer everything, or nationalism/patriotism/jingoism/stalinism etc).
 
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Vurtual said:
and yet it only works like that because it taps into deep veins in our subconsciousness ..... There's something religious in our psychology that can't be avoided -
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What can't be avoided is the church on every corner, the bible in every hotel room...we are indoctrinated with religious belief before we are out of nappies...it's done through symbolism and language via the sheer economic and political power the church holds. It is delivered through our institutions, the media, the corridors of power, education, the law.

I don't think there's anything religious innately in our psychology. A desire to explain the unknown is not in any way necessarily religious.

I can't put my own views any better than Julie put it.

I honestly do not see how presenting mythology as though it were fact to children too young to tell the difference is even legal.
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I agree with that last bit. But i do think there's something 'spiritual' (if not religious) about my mind anyway. We're creatures of story - our psychology is mythological. We try to hide from this reality by making our stories all rational and scientific, and yet we still need them to be stories - bubbling under all these rational stories is all sorts of unacknowledged psychological murk. That underbelly of our minds is just at home with the irrationalities (and truths) of religion (which came from the very same place).

Presenting mythology as though it were fact shows a poor understanding of mythology anyway (which was to fulfil other needs than objective truth)
 
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We started explaining the unknown by giving thanks to nature (paganism). The sun comes up, rain falls down, light giveth life (plants and crops grow). Nature is mother because we see life come, quite literally, from mother (the female).

Then men find out (and they didn't cotton on for ages) that cocks too have something to do with it. Suddenly we get monotheism, male gods and everything pagan is buried, again literally, by the need for man to crush woman, to take control. Let's call that bit organised religion...

I'm not sure exactly how irrational 'religion' is in that context. Seems to have a purpose, a reason to me.
 
I'm with you on that - irrationality (as judged from our modern society) is sometimes very rational (and sometimes not). I think 'religion' in the way you describe is something 'natural' that will emerge again and again if we got rid of it. The organised systems of domination and power like christianity has become are not really a core part of religion in my view - that's just social forces of some sort which parasitise religion as it suits
 
[MENTION=270890]Raasyvibe[/MENTION] What's wrong with that poor singer? I know he's German but, come on, that's a pretty poor show.

That was a really terrible song but still beats almost the entire top 100 in the charts.

It actually reminds of a really dysphoric trip; a trip you'd love to turn really bad just to give it a bit of colour and emotion.
 
DMT was the most humbling experience of my life, that made me at least reconsider my nihilism.

I need another blast.
 
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DMT was the most humbling experience of my life, that made me at least reconsider my nihilism.

I need another blast.
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That's strange. It served to greatly reinforce my nihilism;)

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Anyone who has had DMT aint going to buy into Christian dogma. It definitely makes many take a spiritualist outlook but makes you look at organised religion and laugh. It certainly had that effect on me.
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I've still yet to try DMT but it will be done before I croak. I had been a little know-it-all atheist who was not in any way spiritually inclined. I thought it was all very anti-rational. My first couple of mushroom trips first reinforced the sad hilarity of organised religion and religious dogma, but also turned on a part of my brain that was a bit more spiritually inclined.

I still don't believe in an ultimate, conscious, all-powerful being who judges us but I am inclined to entertain certain ideas about the transcendental nature of consciousness and individual experience.
 
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Anyone who has had DMT aint going to buy into Christian dogma. It definitely makes many take a spiritualist outlook but makes you look at organised religion and laugh. It certainly had that effect on me.
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Well i think that's only true if you adopt a restricted vew of christianity: consider the Santo Daimo church... (or quakers, teillhard dechardin, meister ekchart, (i could go on)). Arguably these are outside what you might mean by dogma or 'organised'. I'm not christian by the way, although if the price of entry was simply believing in 'love your enemy' 'do unto others' and 'turn the other cheek', then i already am one by default, cos that's the morality that occured to me independently (with the help of psychedelics (and hippy parents)) (though i consider that politics not religion). I'm probably closer to athiest than most religions, but considering how i think science works, it would seem like arrogance to be anything other than agnostic, unless i actually am a supreme being who can percieve the reality of string theory (or whatever).

I always feel the need to stick up for the multiple babies bobbing around in the religious bathwater in the face of modern atheism, which is often much more fundamentalist and belief/faith-ridden than the better examples of religion (like how many of them really understand the big bang, as opposed to taking the word of their own priestly heirarchy). The worst athiesm never even tries to argue against the grown up intelligent versions of religions anyway, just the simplistic strawman, bearded-dude-in-the-sky version (eg flying spaghetti monster), so i'm just paying them back a bit ;)
 
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If it wasn't different for everyone it wouldn't be psychedelic i suppose ("Yes, we are all individuals!"... "I'm not"). I guess everyone gets 'spiritual' type feelings from it, though people vary how they separate that from religion. Btw which one is your one true church? (cos don't all sects say that about themselves)
 
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