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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Does anyone else besides me think that doc is very hard to have a intelligent conversation on. I find it loopy and spastic, thoughts all over the place. To a point you can't rember what I can hardly finish a sentence w without forgetting what it was about. I have a very easy time talking on lsd but not this one.
 
The Hypnotist said:
Ok, I didn't know it was difficult to get in some places. In my country there is no problem getting those siringes in pharmacies for dirty cheap. Bad looks is the most you get.
It cannot hurt using more liquid of course. I just like to keep my solutions at same rate to minimize mistakes. I do label them as well.
In the safety concerns DOx thread we were just commenting how ethanol is a vasodilator so ya probably cannot hurt drink a bit of it with Dox. Might be even good.
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Ethanol also has a strong rebound effect, however. Also it only dilates surface tissues (it's a beta agonist)--the "real" worry with DOC and other strong psychedelics is coronary artery vasoconstriction. This is what causes your blood pressure to soar on the stuff, and also why some people can get swollen fingers, etc on psychedelics.

I would say it certainly doesn't hurt to drink while on the stuff (and you can drink A LOT on it and not even notice the alcohol), but I wouldn't view alcohol as a treatment for its side effects, beyond the extent to which it might help control anxiety.
 
If you take too much, which MAY HAVE OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN the case here, throw up as soon as possible, please. I'll tell you why below:

Our friend and I lived to tell quite a disastrous tale on our(his) 4th time taking this stimulant/psychedelic..
I puked most of my dose up, I could tell something was wrong right away and forced my fingers down my throat. Probably 30-40 MINS after ingestion, tops)
My friend had no such luck , and an HOUR(ish) after the intial dose he began to say that he couldn't see. I tried to calm him down, and get him to throw up, or look at me - he started getting snappy and ordering that I get him to a hospital.

It was at this point I realized my friend might die. His eyes were darting, he was trying to walk, but kept running into things.
I got him, shirtless, into my car while the trip was hitting me the hardest. I drove him to the hospital and it was at the cafe just below the nurses he went mad.
And when I say mad, I mean ravaging, scary, killing - kind of mad.
He demanded where he was, and demanded to someone ( i guess himself) that he didn't want to die.
No matter what I or the nurse told him, he apprehended us and pushed us away.
Security etc. gets their hands on him, he continually breaks through his straps and somehow bites through 3 oxygen tubes. The nurses look at me, asking "Why aren't you acting like this?" as if expecting a ticking timebomb.
He convulsed, he screamed, he cried. He was alone with himself, and he was in hell. I remember at one point seeing BPM 160.. maybe even another 20 I cannot recall.
They kept saying weird scientific words and "ACIDOSIS, ACIDOSIS!" Injections to sedate him only worked a mere minute tops before he was back at it, fighting for what he thought was his life.
If only he knew we were there to help. This continues, for 6 hours. The amount of stares, and the product itself - I gave over. I knew if my friend died tonight, I'd be going to jail, regardless of if he took it willingly.
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What he suffered: Brain damage of some sort for sure.
Was on a breathing machine for 3 days, they has to put him out entirely. Before that, though, he was shaking, had pneumonia, acidosis, and some sort of ENZYME that was destroying his muscles' tissues'. WTF??
Was monitored in hospital for a month and a half
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LONG STORY SHORT you never freaking know when an RC is going to possibly bite you in the ass. Regardless if it was a high dose that was the cause, it seems highly suspicious as I was fine and he flopped over a period of an hour and a half. Please be careful, and consider that something can happen IF YOU ARE NOT CAREFUL. And sometimes it just happens for no reason at all (Nbome)
I am not comparing this drug to that at all btw, I loved this chem. It was clean and pleasurable. But the dose it too low for irresponsible people like me it seems.
And if someone as responsible as me (I tend to think I'm quite responsible) can screw this up? You could, too.

PLEASE DON'T get a Gemini scale, especially if it's used. It could possibly kill your friend. But it could also have been a ticking time bomb. No one will know... I had to GIVE them a google search on the drug since they were so lost.

I am sorry i blamed Bluelight for the tragedy I bestowed upon myself; it is not your fault we did what we did. You taught us to use safety, and we used it to the best of our ability. It seems we might have failed.
 
^What was your dose? Did you try and weigh the exact amount on the gemini scale or did you weigh out a larger amount and then use volumetric dosing?
 
Drew. said:
If you take too much, which MAY HAVE OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN the case here, throw up as soon as possible, please. I'll tell you why below:

Our friend and I lived to tell quite a disastrous tale on our(his) 4th time taking this stimulant/psychedelic..
I puked most of my dose up, I could tell something was wrong right away and forced my fingers down my throat. Probably 30-40 MINS after ingestion, tops)
My friend had no such luck , and an HOUR(ish) after the intial dose he began to say that he couldn't see. I tried to calm him down, and get him to throw up, or look at me - he started getting snappy and ordering that I get him to a hospital.

It was at this point I realized my friend might die. His eyes were darting, he was trying to walk, but kept running into things.
I got him, shirtless, into my car while the trip was hitting me the hardest. I drove him to the hospital and it was at the cafe just below the nurses he went mad.
And when I say mad, I mean ravaging, scary, killing - kind of mad.
He demanded where he was, and demanded to someone ( i guess himself) that he didn't want to die.
No matter what I or the nurse told him, he apprehended us and pushed us away.
Security etc. gets their hands on him, he continually breaks through his straps and somehow bites through 3 oxygen tubes. The nurses look at me, asking "Why aren't you acting like this?" as if expecting a ticking timebomb.
He convulsed, he screamed, he cried. He was alone with himself, and he was in hell. I remember at one point seeing BPM 160.. maybe even another 20 I cannot recall.
They kept saying weird scientific words and "ACIDOSIS, ACIDOSIS!" Injections to sedate him only worked a mere minute tops before he was back at it, fighting for what he thought was his life.
If only he knew we were there to help. This continues, for 6 hours. The amount of stares, and the product itself - I gave over. I knew if my friend died tonight, I'd be going to jail, regardless of if he took it willingly.
-----
What he suffered: Brain damage of some sort for sure.
Was on a breathing machine for 3 days, they has to put him out entirely. Before that, though, he was shaking, had pneumonia, acidosis, and some sort of ENZYME that was destroying his muscles' tissues'. WTF??
Was monitored in hospital for a month and a half
-----
LONG STORY SHORT you never freaking know when an RC is going to possibly bite you in the ass. Regardless if it was a high dose that was the cause, it seems highly suspicious as I was fine and he flopped over a period of an hour and a half. Please be careful, and consider that something can happen IF YOU ARE NOT CAREFUL. And sometimes it just happens for no reason at all (Nbome)
I am not comparing this drug to that at all btw, I loved this chem. It was clean and pleasurable. But the dose it too low for irresponsible people like me it seems.
And if someone as responsible as me (I tend to think I'm quite responsible) can screw this up? You could, too.

PLEASE DON'T get a Gemini scale, especially if it's used. It could possibly kill your friend. But it could also have been a ticking time bomb. No one will know... I had to GIVE them a google search on the drug since they were so lost.
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Yeah, those are dangerous, I avoid those Gemini scales.
 
so these guys dosed DOC (active at less than a mg) with a 20 dollar scale without using volumetric dosing? you cannot do this unless you have a scale worth a couple hundred bucks!
 
Fucking ridiculous guys come on! I had a mcg scale when I was 16, their cheap, easy to find, and reliable if you know where to look! I mean god damn, at least use volumetric measurement! Dosing like childish fools is a great way to get am amazing psychedelic, quickly made illegal...!
 
The Gemini-20 scale is fine, as long as you understand that for potent chemicals you need to weigh large amounts and make solutions for volumetric dosing. This divides potential error (which is in the range of a maximum of several milligrams if you use the scale properly) across all the doses, which produces tremendously more accurate dosing. NEVER weigh single doses of dry DOC with a scale unless you have a very expensive analytical balance accurate at a microgram level. I mean obviously if you have the means to get a really top-notch scale, do so, but most of us can't afford that. However, anyone who's buying drugs can afford a Gemini-20 or one of the others in its class, and it's perfectly good enough if used properly. DOC is one of my favorite psychedelics and I've safely used it many, many times, always with my Gemini-20, I weigh out 30mg at a time and put it in 30mL of alcohol, so that 1mL contains 1mg of DOC, and I dose it with a 1mL oral syringe with 10 subdivisions, so that I can accurately dose at 100 microgram accuracy. Because dissolved substances in solution are evenly dispersed throughpout the liquid, when I weigh out 30mg, assuming there is a margin of error of 3mg, that means I really have 27 to 33mg of DOC. That means each mL of solution in reality contains between 0.9mg and 1.1mg of DOC, which is a safe margin of error. If you want to make it even more accurate, you can weigh out larger amounts than that to make solutions. For example, if you weigh out 100mg of DOC and put it in 100mL of liquid, then you have 97 to 103mg in that liquid, which means each mL of solution will contain between 0.97 and 1.03mg of DOC, about as accurate as you can really hope for using any method short of industrial lab equipment.
 
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Sorry if this has been answered, it's a difficult one to search for without reading the entire thread... Is DOC anorexic as LSD often is? That's the part that would keep me away from it if so, not being able to eat for 16 hours would have me feeling pretty weak by the end. Thinking of giving it a try, it sounds like a great music festival enhancer.
 
I don't find DOC anorexic, but I also don't find LSD anorexic, I love eating on both.

I find DOC to be a better festival drug than LSD, for sure. It lasts the WHOLE day and night, and it doesn't make sociability any harder, in fact it makes me feel extra sociable. In general it's a lot easier to be comfortable in any situation on DOC than it is on LSD.
 
i have a pretty hard time eating on DOC until the plateau levels out for a bit. the anorexia definitely wears off before the psychedelic effects for me, tho... can usually eat solid food by like hour 6.

i like to keep smoothies around for when i take anorectic drugs, i seem to never have a problem drinking those.
 
In my studies, I have found DOC to be a rather interesting substance. In doses from ~500mcg-750mcg (volumetric,) it works as a rather long-lasting, though gentle stimulant. In my research, full on psychedelic effects including OEV, CEV, thought looping, and light body load occur at 2.5mg+. I understand that these results are not necessarily typical, and I do not condone the reckless use of such a powerful and long-lasting substance.

I have found that the duration of the stimulative effects, while not directly linked, seem to have some correlation to the dose taken. For example, a dose exceeding 6mg is likely to keep myself stimulated for 24+ hrs, whereas a dose of 3mg will likely keep me stimulated for ~18 hours.

The onset, peak, and plateau of this substance are abnormally long in comparison to "classic" psychedelics such as LSD and Psilocybin/Psilocin, and as such, this substance should be treated with the utmost respect, especially in regard to set and setting.

In my studies, I have reported successful combinations with 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, marijuana, and nicotine. In combination, I would suggest staggering doses to account for the abnormally long come-up of this substance. I would also recommend adjusting combination doses accordingly based upon the potency of DOC.

The importance of monitoring one's vasoconstriction (especially in high dose/combination,) cannot be understated. This molecule is to be treated with respect, as it does not carry the same safety profile of "classic" psychedelic substances.
 
Xorkoth said:
I don't find DOC anorexic, but I also don't find LSD anorexic, I love eating on both.

I find DOC to be a better festival drug than LSD, for sure. It lasts the WHOLE day and night, and it doesn't make sociability any harder, in fact it makes me feel extra sociable. In general it's a lot easier to be comfortable in any situation on DOC than it is on LSD.
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I can fully agree with this words. DOC is really fantastic psychedelic. It gives very clear, not confusing psychedelia as LSD,1P-LSD and ALD-52 do(this 3 are identical for me)

The difference in effects depends from dosage offcourse. Once I tryed to go around 5.5 mg without previous tolerance to DOC and it was still good,but not as comfortable as dose about 3 mg.Even the visuals and music was just explosion for brains,but from other hand I was feel myself a little overstimulated and paranoided. I still think that if place where more friendlier to me for example some openair festival where people are ready to see the freaking creatures around it could be one of the greatest trip ever.
Every trip on DOC gives so many intresting and learning things that it could be not ever writed a trip report about all that was happened and what was realised on it. :PP

Also I have never feel any anorexia at all. Can eat easialy if I start to do it, but yes food not taste as good as from mushrooms or 4-sub triptamines.
 
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Trying this tomorrow (friday). In the past week I've had:
Friday - 20mg 22cb
Saturday - 3 tabs LSD
Tuesday Morning - 25mg 4-ho-mipt + 10mg 5-meo-mipt
Tuesday night- 1 tab LSD

Taking cross tolerance into account, is 4mg DOC likely to be enough to truly get to know this chemical?
 
What in the fuck man? Your attempting to trip five times in a seven day period? That's ridiculous. I know something about over doing it with trips too... Any reason your tripping so much? Have some patience and wait awhile. I don't even know if four mgs will be enough and given the for the most part individual subjectivity of tolerance gains, no one will be able to answer very accurately...
 
Haha, just a hedonistic week. 2 concerts last weekend and a really nice morning on Tuesday I wanted to enhance. Might just trip another time, but I wanted to get acquainted with DOC before taking it at a festival in 2 weeks, which would be my next opportunity. And I wouldn't call the single tab of acid a trip, was accounting for tolerance to basically microdose and pretty much got exactly what I was aiming for.
 
Ah okay. Well I can defintely understand why the temptation is there, but if you plan to trip for more than one day, I'd defintely wait. DOC is really chill and relaxed, never personally tried it but I can imagine it being a really nice fest trip like Xor says. IMO the only thing that's really much in terms of anything to watch out for is the come up but in comparison to say 2c-E/P, DOC is pretty tame.
 
Vediog said:
Haha, just a hedonistic week. 2 concerts last weekend and a really nice morning on Tuesday I wanted to enhance. Might just trip another time, but I wanted to get acquainted with DOC before taking it at a festival in 2 weeks, which would be my next opportunity. And I wouldn't call the single tab of acid a trip, was accounting for tolerance to basically microdose and pretty much got exactly what I was aiming for.
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DOC works fine even immediately after tripping on another weaker drug, in my experience. After 5 days you'll get pretty much full effects. It might not feel as "magical" though, so if you're worried about wasting a trip you'd be better off waiting. Also IMO 4mg is a rather high dose to start off with. I know that you're trying to account for tolerance but you may be surprised by the physical intensity or you may be unusually sensitive to the side effects. If you're mostly concerned about getting a feel for it in advance, is recommend you start at 2mg typically, but maybe as high as 3mg since you have some tolerance at the moment.
 
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