Woman dies watching daughter use Heroin

[Ksa]

Well, she didn't die but I was hoping that she would, along with all her kind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiYFc6Zpbjo

I noticed something very interesting when I saw her cry. At first, I thought what anyone else thought, that she crays because she's worried about her daughter's mortality. But then I noticed something strange, the more pleasure her daughter was feeling from the drug, the harder she cried: Watch minute 2:05.

When her daughter felt that burst of pleasure, the mother felt a burst of pain knocking her down, like, she was hit by a train BAM! Then she twisted her lips straight out when she saw the boyfriend, probably thinking "it's you who got her into this", she had gone down to basic animal instincts ready to kill someone.

Is it because her cortex could not make sense as to why her daughter chose that life, and so all her brain activity was in her human amygdala, like an animal, or perhaps she was jealous she couldn't please her daughter the way Heroin pleased her or because she felt rejected since her daughter chose another way of life? Did she feel a sense of loss, the, so close and yet so far type of thing?

I need a brain NMR and PET scan on that old lady, I wana see what regions light up and figure out what horse shit she has for brains. She looks like an open sore to me, and the chick doing the drug looks sexy as hell. Discuss. Pornographic insults against other forum members will be viewed as a general disagreement with the member being insulted.

 

[Ninae]

I don't know, couldn't it just be a natural reaction to her seeing the drug kicking in and her being into the drug? Seeing someone taking so much pleasure from something that is breaking your heart must be pretty twisted. Where is her empathy for her mother?

 

[Ksa]

Seeing someone taking so much pleasure from something that is breaking your heart must be pretty twisted. Where is her empathy for her mother?

That goes both ways, is it not twisted to be in so much pain when you see your daughter in so much pleasure? Where is the mother's empathy? Empathy is not just for when someone's in pain, it's the ability to relate to someone else.

 

[Ninae]

Not when it something that might kill them and is destroying their life. You might as well ask why a mother doesn't feel pleasure from the sight of her son raping someone. It's shown to her how much she loves the one thing she wants her to stay away from, anyone would be disturbed by that.

 

[Ksa]

I'm not sure whose life is being destroyed here, is it the addict's life or is it the life of her loved ones, because her loved ones surely complain a lot more then her. The addict looks fine to me, with a bit of naloxone and half a brain, she has a bright future ahead of her. Her loved ones should respect her choice and perhaps stop loving each-other to the point of becoming inter-dependent and watch their life come to a stop whenever they lose a member, for whatever reason.

 

[swilow]

Terrible thread title. Completely misleading. You should change it to something more accurate rather than effectively manipulate people into reading your topic.

I noticed something very interesting when I saw her cry. At first, I thought what anyone else thought, that she crays because she's worried about her daughter's mortality. But then I noticed something strange, the more pleasure her daughter was feeling from the drug, the harder she cried: Watch minute 2:05.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. What is wrong with a mother watching her daughter ingest a potentially fatal but almost definitely life-derailing drug and being upset by that? Its not the pleasure her mother is upset by, its the fact that the more pleasure heroin gives her daughter, the less likely her daughter is to be able to quit. The longer her daughter uses heroin, the higher the chance of her dying from it.

I refuse to accept that heroin addiction is a viable lifestyle choice. What pleasure this simple drug gives takes away a lot of pleasure from nearly every other aspect of a persons life. I was a heroin addict. Yeah, I loved being high. I hated everything else around that, which all resulted becuase I loved being high.

I know nothing about you OP, but are you trying to justify behaviour of your own?

When her daughter felt that burst of pleasure, the mother felt a burst of pain knocking her down, like, she was hit by a train BAM! Then she twisted her lips straight out when she saw the boyfriend, probably thinking "it's you who got her into this", she had gone down to basic animal instincts ready to kill someone.

How odd that a mother might react protectively against what she might perceive as a threat to her daughter. That is if your assumption about the straightening of her lips is anything except an assumption. I didn't even watch that far into the video, I skimmed through it because it was from US reality-TV garbage and nothing on such shows is really "real" or worth watching IMO.

 

[belligerent drunk]

I refuse to accept that heroin addiction is a viable lifestyle choice.

For now. I think it can be pretty viable once heroin is legalized, regulated, and the stigma around using it dissipates. More so than some other drugs, like alcohol.

 

[swilow]

^Maybe so, but not for me.

 

[Ninae]

It seems very "Junkie romance". I don't think it should be glorified like that, especially that drug. Too many who lose their lives, homes, children.

 

[Ksa]

^Maybe so, but not for me.

I never used Heroin nor did I ever make a habit out of opioids, honestly, that's because I dislike bad deals, and Heroin is a bad deal. Whatever the drug gives you, you have to give back during withdrawals. Giving back is not my thing. If I have to give back something I just don't take it in the first place, it's my approach. The pleasure you feel using equals the pain of withdrawing, in terms of duration x intensity.

So it's a draw...until you consider the risk of OD, risk of getting jail time, risk of getting shot by your dealer, and the time wasted using + withdrawing when you could have done something with your life. This is why it's a bad deal.

I'm not saying some drugs are better than others, but with amphetamines, you don't have to give back what you take, you can use as much as you want and when you withdraw, most people just feel tired and sleep it off, only to binge eat when they wake up, both of which are pleasant experiences. It's nothing like Heroin withdrawals. So my answer is no, I'm not trying to justify opioid use, I don't recommend it for the reasons above.

 

[cornishninja]

I'm not saying some drugs are better than others, but with amphetamines, you don't have to give back what you take, you can use as much as you want

I disagree. I used to use amphetamines and I've been around amphetamine and heroin addicts. The drug(s) they were addicted to fucked them up eventually. There is always a trade-off no matter which drug addictions we're talking about. Long term amphetamine addicts definitely have to give back something eventually, usually mental/physical health-related even if in the short-term it seems like there's no trade-off.

As for your remarks about the mother in the video. Parents who have a healthy perception of reality and are healthy psychologically and emotionally, feel a terrible emotional pain knowing that a drug is slowly destroying their kids, and the reaction I saw in the mother is natural. That mother's pain had nothing to do with the pleasure her daughter was getting from the drug.

I'm not sure whose life is being destroyed here, is it the addict's life or is it the life of her loved ones, because her loved ones surely complain a lot more then her. The addict looks fine to me, with a bit of naloxone and half a brain, she has a bright future ahead of her. Her loved ones should respect her choice and perhaps stop loving each-other to the point of becoming inter-dependent and watch their life come to a stop whenever they lose a member, for whatever reason.

How do you know her loved ones complain a lot? My argument is, if they were complaining a lot, most likely her habit has affected her attitude and behaviour towards people close to her, affecting the relationships between them. A lot of people tend to complain when they're in pain. That's normal. The ones who don't complain tend to withdraw and internalise their pain. That's unfortunately fairly common and is unhealthy. Both approaches are capable of destroying one's life, depending on long the painful situation goes on for, and on how mentally/emotionally robust and well-adjusted the individual(s) is/are in general.

The addict isn't complaining because every time she takes a hit, she feels nothing but pleasure. Believe me, the deeper into her addiction she goes, the more she will be complaining in between fixes. And there is a trade-off in there somewhere even if we don't see it. But ask yourself why she does it. If she's fine, then how come she's homeless and dependent on heroin? How come she felt tempted to even go there in the first place? Get my drift? Never judge a book by its cover.

Respecting someone's unhealthy/dangerous lifestyle choices doesn't mean being unreactive emotionally (e.g. grief, anger), it just means accepting that they chose that lifestyle, but it doesn't mean supporting it or condoning any abuse/BS from them, and it doesn't mean being obligated to have the addict as part of one's life at the expense of one's personal happiness and sanity. So how do you know her loved ones aren't respecting (a.k.a accepting) her choice to be a heroin addict? Because her mother is crying? Give over.

 

[Ksa]

^ Yes you do give back something but it's so small compared to what you get, that you can honestly debate if those permanent effects are actually amphetamine damage or just you getting old.

The body is getting old you know, your senses dull, drug or not. You realize people have health issues? The human body gets old, it gets sick, a panoply of problems arise, by themselves. That's why there's hospitals, and doctors. After a certain age your hands shake and you can no longer run 10 miles. That's normal!

I see this a lot with people roughly experienced with drugs. They tend to associate every single health issue they have to the drugs they took. Hello? You're not made out of Platinum...