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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

morphine-dreams said:
I used to be of the opinion that opiates are opiates, played with pills, kratom, and PST for a while. Then I tried heroin. It's hard to explain how it's different, but it just is. It just gets you.
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It's like blood if you were a Vampire. That close to me, and that unavoidable IMO/E.
It's one of these things that makes you have problem with satisfaction in general.
Nothing would be as pleasurable in a heroin addictive mind which makes it a look as if you'd have a very thick barrier to pass through in order to reset.
 
I've only read a few pages of this (so far) but I wanted to take a moment and share where I am. For many years I've been a recreation drug user. A little of this, a little of that....oh hey, that sounds fun tonight. My preferences have changed over the years, but I've never really given up "drugs". I've also never really had a problem with a specific drug. I'm a daily smoker, but don't find it problematic.For many years I didn't try H. I had a close buddy who was an addicted. We'd hang out, I'd do coke, he'd do coke and H. Never let me touch the stuff. Which is the best thing anyone has ever done for me. Had I touched it at that point in my life I have no doubt I'd be dead or worse by now.Fast forward years later. Now, I want to preface this story by saying that this was NOT a good decision. I do NOT condone this, but I'm sharing.I have a friend that I see generally once a week, as we do a little work together. We live a couple hours apart, so it generally becomes and overnight and hang out thing as well. This always alvolves a variety of drugs, cocoaine being a common one. So this buddy calls me one night. I didn't answer, bad service, but I texted him (it seemed odd for him to call then, I just kinda had a hunch I guess). I called him back after about 10 minutes, and he was definitly way out of it. We start talking, and basicially the story goes he supposidly bought some coke, and it was H. (It was kind of tan, not overly dark, and a dark and rushed environment.) He did a little bump and got no real coke effects (of course) just kinda felt "odd", so he did a whole line. He was definitly fucked up, but didn't OD. We stayed on the phone for a couple hours, everything is "okay".Couple weeks later....we're hanging out....and for whatever reason finishing that H just seemed like a good idea. Soo we did. I blew some (my preference generally) and smoked some.A couple months later, we grab a bag intentionally.I have had some major life changes (still close with the same buddy) and have been reevaluating a lot of things. And I realize I crave heroin. I've never felt anything like it. It's not even that I'm chasing a specific feeling, it's just in the back of my mind...."I want some heroin....I should get some H....."So, I've come to the conclusion that it can't be an occasional thing, for me. Maybe for a very few, I can't speak for everyone, but not for me. I know myself, and I know at some point I would have tried it, so in a way I picked a good time, but I'd be better off not ahving touched it in the first place. It sticks intself into your mind in a way nothing else does. Not coke, not crack, not meth...when people say you fall in love with heroin, it's accurate. And we all know how irrational love is!Edited to add: I also, not because of the heroin use but probably indicitive of my frame of mind at the time...I managed to rack of 5 criminal charges in two weeks within a month of the second use. The only ones I've ever gotten, btw.(Also, My spacing keeps not posting...I appologize for the block of text. I'll fix the formatting once I figure it out)
 
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endlessness said:
Wow.

All of these negative post are kind of.. almost bias it seems. I mean do so many people really think heroin is this terrible of a substance after trying it? It's not like we aren't warned that heroin is one of the most addictive and powerful drugs as kids, plus you know these young people are researching it before they try it now days with the internet widely available. The majority of the people who are trying heroin for the first time are trying it because they truly WANT to regardless of how bad it can be. With the type of music and media praised today by young people it's no wonder, since they are being conditioned to think this way of life is cool and mysterious.. but in the end it is still their decision after clearly knowing the potential side effects.

I know I knew all the potential dangers and yet I went after it anyhow like most curious young people these days. Why did I do it? Probably the same selfish and pointless reasons you secretly have deep behind the phony excuse you project. Do I regret it? Not really. Do I think you should do it? Yes. If you are interested in drugs or have tried drugs and are interested in doing heroin then I don't see why you wouldn't try heroin. It is truly an amazing feeling of awe awesomeness and bliss. Contentment and euphoria. It is honestly a clean and top of the line high inducing substance that is easily one of the greatest feelings a drug user or anyone could experience.

Sure you could get addicted and you probably will if it's good dope. Sure you could hit rock bottom and have to steal from people (even friends and family) or do other terrible acts to support you habit. Sure you could get arrested for heroin possession and go to jail. Sure you could overdose and die. In fact I know multiple people who have experienced all of these negative things. I have known over seven people in my area die from heroin overdose; three of them which I was very close too. I have known five others who have went to prison from heroin related charges and stealing to support their habit. The possible negative effects are REAL but they are avoidable. I have know a few people who have avoided these consequences simply because they had good willpower. The worse I let myself get was at a younger age when I first got addicted to heroin and I stole money from my grandpa during the peak of my first addiction sequence, after that I quit heroin with suboxones and then quit suboxones after a few months. I did relapse years later but have never done anything like stealing or even considered it because I truly have control of my habit. I do heroin maybe 3-4 days out of each month. Not because I'm afraid of getting addicted, I will have withdrawals even from that small amount of use but they are manageable. I space it out to keep it fresh and the rush strong. You see, heroin really only gets bad when you do it every day for a long period of time because then you have no true trade off. You are literally just doing heroin to not feel bad, without any good effects whatsoever. It becomes a need of survival instead of a want/pleasure. But trust me, I've done every drug out there and IV heroin is by far the best recreational high that there is if you can space it out right (IMO).

So moral of the story? If you want an amazing high experience then you should certainly try heroin. In fact even if you have never done drugs and are curious then you should even try heroin then too. I mean why start at the starting line when you can go straight the finish line? Just remember.. it's a gamble. And there is everything to possibly lose if you aren't strong enough to control it. Is that worth the most amazing high one can experience? You already know the answer to that question, just like you already know the answer to if you should try heroin.

Good luck and don't forget to have fun. It's all about having fun. Why else would we do it, right? ;)

- endlessness
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wow, this post had me both offended at times and at other points it had me applauding you.

My only argument against your post is that I think that while many young people do know that heroin is an incredibly (if not the most) addictive substance (especially when used intravenously-I believe that ROA really makes a difference in terms of fiendishness and for myself personally mainlining just threw me over the edge), they don't understand the subtle way that the addiction takes place. I'm one of the few people in my generation that used heroin before any other opiate (or before knowing what an opiate was) and I remember being taken aback by how functional I could be on it, how gentle of a high that compared to the other drugs I had tried (coke, LSD, THC, DXM) it was almost unimpressive except for that it seemed to complete something in me that I was lacking prior to experiencing it. I would even say that after trying heroin, I started to believe that it's addictiveness and life ruining abilities were hyped up-I would never have thought that fast forward 8 years and I'd be living under an overpass in a homeless camp shooting speedballs and smoking crack, and completely not giving a shit. IV heroin has a unique way of slowly making your world smaller and smaller until the only thing you give a fuck about is your fix and if you disagree you're either A)not being honest with yourself or B)you're not truly a heroin addict. Heroin came before anything else for me, now this doesn't mean I was a terrible person, even on the street I'd always try to help out my friends, and even those I hated, I hated more seeing someone sick, but I had to get well first. And even now when I'm on subs, and I know I have to stay clean, there isn't an hour that goes by where somewhere in my head I think 'I know someday probably sooner then later I'll be back on that shit' or 'someday I'll be able to use heroin and get away with it for a good amount of time before I become a broken shell of a human being again'.

Now this being said, I don't believe heroin is evil, I don't believe it has an innate or unique quality that no other opiate possesses (IMO oxymorphone IV is far more addictive than heroin is), I believe that part of the reason so many people wind up on the street, committing crime, dead or in jail is due to stigma, and a backwards ass society that says opiate A is ok but opiate B is evil, or that alcohol which destroys every organ in your body is fine so get loaded but put the junky in handcuffs. Fuck all that shit- the more I think about it the more resentful I get because I'm not a piece of human trash, at least no more than any other person, and I honestly think if I could use heroin legally I'd be a better, more pleasant person for however long my life would be before an inevitable overdose.
 
The way I see it is....WHY do you wanna try it? Ask yourself that. Diacetylmorphine is NOT a bad molecule. It has no horns. In fact it's probably the most effective pain killer ever made. Imagine if it were only a CII and you got that instead of dilaudid when you broke your arm. Of course you can't eat it...it's only active when injected or snorted (unless it's tar, then inject). But again...ask why. Is it because you're missing something in your life and need to lift a depression or numb yourself to something? Then absolutely not. Is it because you're purely interested in a one-time experimentation just to know or say that you've done the 'hardest' drug and it's pretty fantastic and not at all like how the movies depict it? Then maybe. If you know how to get it safely. Otherwise...you're playing with fire. Pun intended. You don't wanna go down that hole. Your dealer will become your best friend, you'll lose all your values relationships either because you were judged or because you got hooked and couldn't maintain, so romantic relationships end. Or the only ones you have are with users. I actually did try H only once. No joke. I wasn't impressed. But that's cuz it was bad.

6 months later I was wd'ing off oxy or norco and i found a dude who sold it, it's cheap, and WOW that was it. I was locked in for 2 years. And when you're an H addict...you actually become an 'anything opioid will suffice' addict if you can't get your fix. You'll start faking Rxs for tramadol, Doctor shopping, or whatever. I got busted for possession finally. It was reduced to a misdimeanor to be expunged. But I was a 4.0 gpa honors student who got an Ivy League degree in neuropsychopharmacology and organic chemistry. My dealer had crack. He offered it and I was high so sure! Why not. Now I'm smoking crack. It took a night in jail and a few thousand cash to my lawyer to get me off it and all narcs.

Don't think for one second that you'll have the control to only do it once. Especially since you'll likely buy a gram, which will last a couple days for you.

Think of it like cheating on your gf or wife, or stealing something expensive. Once you've done something that soils your spirit, it's so much easier to justify NOT staying squeeky clean. How can you? If you had sex with someone else, stuck your arm with 1mL of brown water, stole from some store...you can never be above that act again, so it's really easy to say 'f it, I feel like a buzz and I've already done it so...'

I think heroin should be legal and prescribed. It's fantastic for pain and depression. But without a doctor or pharmacist or insurance, you are you're own advocate. When you eventually run out of money, dealers don't take copays. They don't bill you. Half the time they don't answer when you need an 'appt' cuz they're geeked out too. My best friend died in front of me and I saved him with cpr and adderall. And an ambulance.
No. No. No. It's really nothing outrageously better than old school OC and there's a lot more potential for it to be worse if you get something nasty or too strong.
 
I honestly really hope so. Everyone is curious about things like that. Other people do and say good or terrible things about it and you'll always think you'd be the different one. I know how it feels. Perhaps is okay to want things but not necessary use them. Trust me, it's harmful and will make your life miserable.
 
^ Yep + needle fixation. I believe it's knowing when you've crossed all the lines.
 
Heroin, dilaudid, opana, etc. are very very strong in terms of stronger effects from much less than say, hydrocodone or oxy. The euphoria and warmth from these drugs is enough to really catch your attention, and its somethibg youll remember forever.

I maintain that hard opiates, and really all drugs in general, CAN be used responsibility. Ive been an addict, ive gone through recoveries and relapses over and over. I cutrently still use dilaudid and h sparingly, maybe 3 times a month if its a good month. It is absolutely possible to enjoy hard drugs and not start using them every day..

It all comes down to your self control/experience/self care/maturity.. Personally i know how disgusting it is to be deep in addiction and be scared of sobriety and that helps me guide my usage and avoid dependency.

Obviously this is a very tough idea for new users and addicts alike, so i dont advise you to try this lifestyle, as theres a good chance you lose sight of a healthy life and succumb to one more hit..

Tldr; DONT try heroin, but addiction can be avoided and usage can be done responsibly
 
The thing with opiates; the longer you stay obviously the hardest it gets to come off.

And when you do, we can't avoid thinking what have I done with my time, the years go by and you let them take the best of you. I have some difficulties in avoiding addiction, especially when we are talking about opiates.

It's like going beyond the natural happy feelings you are supposed to experience/earn through life. That could be love, exercises or friendship.

It doesn't matter the moment you do this. IMO/E things get tough as you'll eventually have to accept your life without them. And that's hard. And heroin makes that potentially worse. For some of us the fall is faster than we think IMO.
 
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Honestly... If you have to even post a thread to ask this question my suggestion would be to tell you NO. As a long term IV user of any and all opiates and graduating to H and/or IV is a seriously dangerous and risky path to go down and since we are all about harm reduction I once again must reiterate that if one is posting a thread to find out if they should or shouldn't do anything it clearly shows they already know the answer is no but they're just looking for that one or two people who are morons to give them the nudge in the wrong direction... Stick with your gut and stay away from the H... It's a dangerous game when you start playing around with H and with the recent surge in overdoses do to fentanyl laced H you're better off staying away from the Russian roulette that is Heroin
 
LeftyTwoGunz said:
Honestly... If you have to even post a thread to ask this question my suggestion would be to tell you NO. As a long term IV user of any and all opiates and graduating to H and/or IV is a seriously dangerous and risky path to go down and since we are all about harm reduction I once again must reiterate that if one is posting a thread to find out if they should or shouldn't do anything it clearly shows they already know the answer is no but they're just looking for that one or two people who are morons to give them the nudge in the wrong direction... Stick with your gut and stay away from the H... It's a dangerous game when you start playing around with H and with the recent surge in overdoses do to fentanyl laced H you're better off staying away from the Russian roulette that is Heroin
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Interesting point of view. I agree to some extent.
But maybe only maybe they just want to make sure they have enough to reasons to convince themselves not to do it. I hope 'we saved' at least one.
People die everyday trying. That would stop me. And it's true.
A little bit more or a little bit pure, mixed. And you are gone!
 
well as a full blown heroin addict who slowly progressed from a prescription of 10 mg oxy contin "the good ol ones" should one try heroin once ? Well these are just my veiws but i think that if you have accepted the fact that you are a addict and dont intend to change or seek help because if you are considering trying it once it means you still have reservations about it as oppose to one who just does it so if you are of those who have accepted than by all means do it because im sure you probably are already experimenting with other maybe more expensive substance and from the mind of my great grand pappy ol blue mc gee "why sniff it and waste it when you can poke it and taste it "
 
Thanks for sharing mizlo. And welcome to Bluelight!
I'm not sure I understood your point though.
 
I was just thinking about trying heroin one day, ive gone through opiate withdrawl and while it was bad it was no where near as bad as alcohol or benzo withdrawls, since i quit a fairly large hydrocodone/tramadol/tianeptine/codeine/kratom habit about 2 months back ive hardly used any opiates and dont crave them i have wuit wverything i got hooked on and have tried several different drugs like cocaine and such and was able to try it and drop it, right now i dont have any connections for heroin and i hope i never will because i have a hard time saying no, the only thing im sure i will say no to is needles idc how bad my addictions are or hoe much itll save me i will never touch a needle if i ever tried heroin i would either snort tiny bumps untill i got where i wanted to be or i would smoke it preferably smoke it. And i would do my best to never do it again, i know this is hard to do and theres always a chance but if you look at the numbers its only like 20 percent of people that try heroin become dependant on it and thats a pretty good number to me, but yeah its not a good idea and id never search for it but i cant make the promise to myself that if someone offered it to me that i wouldnt try it. If i did i would tell somebody and stay with them the next few days so i disnt have access to it again and eouldnt immediately go back. I have a strong will but not that strong i dont think anyone should try heroin and i hope i never get offered it. Scary drug but i dont think its IMPOSSIBLE to try it once and mever again or use up your supply then stop forver its just not realy worth it to take the risk.
 
Suggest you don't. Heroin will be much much worse - emotionally speaking, physically dangerous. Lots of people try and don't come back.

You can skip all the drugs you can control because they might not have been your drug of choice. And getting a connection with a dope dealer it's a recipe for a speedy fall. That's one of the things that makes it dangerous the fall is faster and the addiction is longer. That's why this is epidemic and it seems far from ending.

This phrase you have used "it's not impossible to try it only once and never use it again" is as old as heroin.

Wish all the best!! Really do..<3
 
Tryptomaniacs said:
I was just thinking about trying heroin one day, ive gone through opiate withdrawl and while it was bad it was no where near as bad as alcohol or benzo withdrawls, since i quit a fairly large hydrocodone/tramadol/tianeptine/codeine/kratom habit about 2 months back ive hardly used any opiates and dont crave them i have wuit wverything i got hooked on and have tried several different drugs like cocaine and such and was able to try it and drop it, right now i dont have any connections for heroin and i hope i never will because i have a hard time saying no, the only thing im sure i will say no to is needles idc how bad my addictions are or hoe much itll save me i will never touch a needle if i ever tried heroin i would either snort tiny bumps untill i got where i wanted to be or i would smoke it preferably smoke it. And i would do my best to never do it again, i know this is hard to do and theres always a chance but if you look at the numbers its only like 20 percent of people that try heroin become dependant on it and thats a pretty good number to me, but yeah its not a good idea and id never search for it but i cant make the promise to myself that if someone offered it to me that i wouldnt try it. If i did i would tell somebody and stay with them the next few days so i disnt have access to it again and eouldnt immediately go back. I have a strong will but not that strong i dont think anyone should try heroin and i hope i never get offered it. Scary drug but i dont think its IMPOSSIBLE to try it once and mever again or use up your supply then stop forver its just not realy worth it to take the risk.
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Don't do it man. I smoked it once for 2 weeks and would never do it again. I loves the high more then any other drug I be a junkie if I went on it again . Your like me with opiates and you would love it too much. So no just say no man
 
I'm guessing heroin is getting too much attention. Has everyone ever listened to the advises not to try, I wonder.
 
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Every heroin addict that I met that claimed they would never use needles eventually ended up using needles, well except for one, because he had a sever phobia of them since he was a little kid. I remember this one dude, that was adamant about never using needles in his life, he acted like he was better than the rest of us junkies because he wasn't sitting around covered in blood crying and trying to hit a vein. For months he continued to preservere, then one day he came up to my tent and asked if I could fix him up, which shocked me, but he told me he had been having someone shoot him up for the last few days because he was entering a recovery program in a few days and wanted to shoot it a few times before he 'quit forever'. Well, I fixed him up, and he went to his recovery program, and i didn't see him ever again...until two weeks later, after he had ditched his program and come back to my camp to cop some more dope and have me fix him up again.

I don't think that it is that the drug heroin is so much better or more unique than other opiates, but because of the social stigma attached to it, people that use heroin tend to adopt a more 'fuck it' attitude, and slowly tear down every boundary they set for themselves. I know this happened with me, I swore I'd never shoot heroin, then six months after first trying it I shot it, I swore I'd never steal or sell my belongings for heroin, did that too, swore that the day I couldn't hit a vein I'd quit, nope, instead I muscled, swore I'd never get into extremely dangerous behavior like shooting into my femoral vein or deep brachial, well, I shot exclusively into those veins for the past two years. And I'd have never thought at the beginning that along with all that, I'd also become basically addicted to every hard drug on earth along with the heroin. Meth, crack, IV coke, shot tons of RC stims, amphetamine pills, fuck, I just became a trash can, no drug too low for me. I used to actually get off on fixing in front of people because they'd always be super confused and horrified at what I was doing when I'd pull down my pants and plunge a 27g straight into my groin.

Being a heroin addict though, has been a very rich experience in someways, I've lived in ways that I feel I am stronger for, I've met some amazing people, and some truly horrible people as well, but it's changed my life and my perception of the world for good. If you're at least 'content' with your current reality, then I would not suggest heroin. Why break something that's not broken?
 
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