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The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

Bearlove said:
Again who are you (not you but) to make that choice? Mental health issues are something else, you would not get somebody sectioned because they chose to take xyz substance. You cannot forcibly 'fix' a person that does not want to be fixed.

You can forcibly remove an addiction but the 'problem' as you see it will remain. You have been a member for two weeks, you have probably lurked for a while before joining up. If you read the 3PFM or the gibbering threads you will see many warning about using stims for Evey, When Max was using a lot of Benzos we all told him to be careful etc, Julie starting to get heroin and a few other people on a few other substances.

If you have read the posts from Evey, she has clearly stated that by telling her or forcing her not to do something has the opposite effect as she will go out of her way to do it more. Telling her the dangers, the risks and sharing our concerns (which has been done over pages of posts) is therefore more productive for her than simply telling her - don't do drugs.
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That last point is rubbish to be honest bear. Anyone in their right mind can see trying to give sensible advice didn't do any good in that instance whatsoever.
 
Sid said:
That last point is rubbish to be honest bear. Anyone in their right mind can see trying to give sensible advice didn't do any good in that instance whatsoever.
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It is far from rubbish actually Sid - if it was rubbish then what I am stating would not have been demonstrated over and over again. So what if the advice fell on deaf ears?
 
PioneerPin said:
Torture? For goodness sake.
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Torture (from the Latin tortus, “twisted") is the act of deliberately inflicting physical or psychological pain on an organism in order to fulfil some desire of the torturer or compel some action from the victim.

Cold water on somebody going through opiate withdrawal !
Beating causing broken ribs

Torture.
 
PioneerPin said:
I've already said that he became violent. Everybody knows that junkies are slaves to the shit. He would happily have robbed and killed one of us in order to get his fix. That's what these poor bastards end up doing.
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You questioned my use of the word torture - I explained.
 
Bearlove said:
Even if not a troll, anyone who thinks that holding somebody without their will, torturing them and forcing a detox without medical help has no real place on this site.
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Why is this dick still allowed to post(Pioneerpin not Bear lol!!) Many have been banned for far less. Come on mods... Restore some faith....
 
englandgz74 said:
With any luck that will soon evolve into a permaban when the seemingly obvious fact that he is an alt is discovered.....

What a cocksucking mofo..
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Don't gi e them attention they liked being discussed. If we as a community ignore it, not even discuss it they'll go away. They're only upsetting our community cause we're letting them. I used to actually love arguing once upon a time but it bores me now...

Hope you're doing ok, G x n you Beary x not spoken to you in simply ages I hope things are going well for you, Bearu. I've been on another infraction (don't ask lol.

Evey
 
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Eveleivibe said:
Dont gi e them attention they lijed being discussed. If we as a community ignore it, not even discuss it they'll go away. They're only upsetting our community cause we're letting them. I used to axtually love arguing once upon a time but it bores me now...

Hope you're doing ok, G x n you Beary x not spoken to you in simply ages I hope things are going well for you, Bearu. I've been on another infraxtion (don't ask lol was off on a loada 3fpms for a few montgs what felt like weeks n have loads gaps)

Evey
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Hi Evey, I doing very well thank you <3 I'm counting down the hours before my apartment gets ripped apart for decorating so I'm gutted about the upheaval but excited about the finished results. You were on a 'temp ban' though hon (not an infraction- warning - infraction - temp ban - perm ban) , you were sent an explanation of why - what etc

Last time we spoke - I was planning a holiday in Singapore. Evey it was amazing. Food, clubbing, pubs, bars - family stuff etc was all within taxi distance. the maximum we paid on a taxi was under £10 - you simply round it up for a 'tip'. If you were eating with the locals in a food hall then It was for a few £ - and you know how me and Bear eat :D.
 
Bearlove said:
Again who are you (not you but) to make that choice? Mental health issues are something else, you would not get somebody sectioned because they chose to take xyz substance. You cannot forcibly 'fix' a person that does not want to be fixed.

You can forcibly remove an addiction but the 'problem' as you see it will remain. You have been a member for two weeks, you have probably lurked for a while before joining up. If you read the 3PFM or the gibbering threads you will see many warning about using stims for Evey, When Max was using a lot of Benzos we all told him to be careful etc, Julie starting to get heroin and a few other people on a few other substances.

If you have read the posts from Evey, she has clearly stated that by telling her or forcing her not to do something has the opposite effect as she will go out of her way to do it more. Telling her the dangers, the risks and sharing our concerns (which has been done over pages of posts) is therefore more productive for her than simply telling her - don't do drugs.
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This.

Best post I've seen on BL n true. I wish there were more with similar attitude as Beary.

I was FORCED off codeine. Oh yeah I did what they wanted, had the "recovery" but inside was resentful, angry, felt my control had been, felt like a puppet on a string. Result?

I ended up rebelling, doing 3fpm but not sensibly or listening to constructive, sensible advice but to extreme, rebellious, self-destructively n like an angry, defiant, rebellious child. Like a lion whom has been caged from his desired food---he does not stroll casually from the cages but breaks open the bars, fiercely---eating human after human, ripping them open with the teeth, angrily, fiercely, defiantly.....

Control doesn't work. You take the stimulus away. YOU DO NOT DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM YOU PROLONG IT N MAKE IT A THOUSAND TIMES WORST. You create a time-bomb n you don't know when it's going to blow. Mine did December 12 n I completely went for full-blown rebellion, self-destruct, control mode.

People are people. Living, breathing, feeling, functioning people. They matter. Listen to them. Do not disregard them. Listen to them. They matter. Their needs matter. They're reactions matter. Everything they do, there is a reason for. Listen to them n do not disregard them. Listening to someone can make such a difference. No one is a puppet on a string. Please do not make someone feel as though they are. They will dance to your tune for so long---then they will SMASH thr CD player n inwardly demand a different tune.

I have deliberately ignored these posts, knowing full well it's a troll on a wind up - but Beary's post (reply) is ace, class n deserves to be replied to because never a truer word spoken.

Thank you, Beary <3

Evey
 
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So I haven't had any 3-FPM since July but, I made a big order for 1p-LSD last night and with it came a free gift; none of the gift options appealed to me whatsoever, apart from 3-FPM. I'm a bit disappointed in myself for choosing it but that really is meaningless. If I was really that disappointed I would throw it out when it arrives. However, it's only a gram so it will be just one last wee flutter.

I must admit that I'm already salivating a bit at the prospect of the sweet vape :o
 
Raasyvibe said:
I don't think you get it, vibez. You've OD'd and been reckless so many times, it scares people. This site is very dangerous - littered with deaths - and people are always looking to impress their drug habits onto others *cough, josh just attempting to get you into 2C drugs*.

The site clearly doesn't appear to do anything about your reckless use, so as far as i can see those who actually care take it into their own hands and i commend that person for doing that.

I won't go on coz dont want to cause drama, perhaps continue this in a PM
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Fuck knows why I feel the need to defend myself from you, but for the record I was merely suggesting that the book PIHKAL was worth reading as a good example of people being lifelong users of drugs responsibly. At no point did I recommend Evey start taking 2Cs (although this would in my opinion not be any worse than a 3fpm addiction). The only reason 2Cs were even mentioned is because I was asking how bad the 3f burn was in comparison, and Evey asked what 2Cs were, so I mentioned the book. But that's fine, you crack on and mix my words up and make me the bad guy.
 
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3fmp is certainly no meph... not even close... shit lasts too long and is not nearly as HIGH ...
 
Blu-Shad0w said:
3fmp is certainly no meph... not even close... shit lasts too long and is not nearly as HIGH ...
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It should not be expected to resemble 4-MMC in any way, shape, or form. One is a heavily SE-preferential triple releaser while the other is almost purely Dopaminergic.
It's like comparing Cocaine and MDMA.

3-FPM really does have a unique effect on language, in a manner so very different to anything I've experienced. Most stimulants just induce verbal "bowel evacuation at high velocity" typically consisting of short, sharp, mono/disyllabic words mashed together with little notion of grammar or syntax. 3-FPM on the other hand seems to enhance creativity and remove the constraints of using just the easiest and most common options with language.
 
Sprout said:
It should not be expected to resemble 4-MMC in any way, shape, or form. One is a heavily SE-preferential triple releaser while the other is almost purely Dopaminergic.
It's like comparing Cocaine and MDMA.

3-FPM really does have a unique effect on language, in a manner so very different to anything I've experienced. Most stimulants just induce verbal "bowel evacuation at high velocity" typically consisting of short, sharp, mono/disyllabic words mashed together with little notion of grammar or syntax. 3-FPM on the other hand seems to enhance creativity and remove the constraints of using just the easiest and most common options with language.
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Er, yeh, innit... ;)
 
Anyone have experience combining 3-FPM with K or dissos in general? Since my speed is not here yet, I'll be back on the 3 for tonight, and I'm planning to still go through on the K combo, I'm just curious if anyone has done so before so I know what to expect. Only going 50ish mg of k, which for me is a drunken but still functional state. 3-FPM dosage will be worked out as I go, as I have a ton of 60 or so mg caps to hand and I'm tempted to put a bit up the nose to hit full power straight away. Maybe a mixed line, though I suspect my nose will commit open revolt if I do...
 
I really would not recommend it in the slightest.
Honest question: what effect do you anticipate from such a combination?
Of the many issues present the most pertinent to me is the potential for delusional psychosis: dissociatives are a pretty decent mimic of Schizophreniform Disorders and it is only the sedation and relaxation many provide that helps retain the "recreational" label. Adding a physical push and typical stimulant risk-assessment issues to a delusional mindset can result in some awful scenarios.

Not to mention the DRI effect of Ket will remove all euphoria from 3-FPM's release.
 
I received some reccs for speed + K as a combo for clubbing, apparently the phet balances nicely with low-dose K. As I'm out of phet, I was going to use 3 as the next best available. The expectation would be for a stimulating edge added to the K drunkenness, or alternately the K serves to smoosh out the 3-FPM stimulation. The idea is to not take enough k to actually be significantly dissociated, and I am fairly confident I can dose to that goal accurately as I have done so before, and get the euphoric and messy side of K balanced with a stim kick to get me up, dancing and sociable. I do find 3 gives enough physical stimulation to serve for this purpose for me, incidentally.

Based on the accounts of phet going well with speed, I suspect the K DRI effect is not strong enough to significantly kill stim effects.
 
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