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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

PioneerPin said:
To my mind, the one real inadequacy in this ban is that it doesn't allow for 'vendors' to be retrospectively prosecuted.
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What. The. Actual. Living. Fuck?

Did someone really just mention abolishing the principle of Nulla poena sine lege ? As though someone could create a new offence of using the word "retrospectively" on an Internet forum, and anyone who had used it would be liable for up to six months in prison?

Think a bit.
 
I'm sceptical about whether or not the online vendors will even cease selling, they'll just put more 'scientific stuff' on their front page like baking soda and sell the RCs as well with a big label "Not known to be psychoactive, not for human consumption"

A court can't prove something's psychoactive without first testing it, which is an extremely long process and forum statements would be considered hearsay in a common law court. Chances are some vendors will keep selling no matter what.

As well as that a blanket ban goes against hundreds of years of British common law where you are allowed to do something unless explicitly told you aren't.

As for me, I'm trying to taper off a rather large (it was 30mg a few months ago, it's 5mg now) flubromazolam habit. I could probably be off benzos completely by June or July but I guess I'll just have to phone an ambulance when the withdrawal psychosis starts; taxpayer money well spent; it'll cost hundreds a day to take care of me in a hospital whereas it would cost me pennies a day to do the taper myself. Personally I can see this turning into one of the biggest political cockups in the history of the UK and falling to bits in a couple of months after it's passed as vendors will find a way around it (you can't tell if something is psychoactive unless a human takes it, sure they may argue structural similarity in court but it would be a hard one to prove without "take a line of this your honour and tell us if it's psychoactive.
 
bropiate said:
I'm sceptical about whether or not the online vendors will even cease selling, they'll just put more 'scientific stuff' on their front page like baking soda and sell the RCs as well with a big label "Not known to be psychoactive, not for human consumption"

A court can't prove something's psychoactive without first testing it, which is an extremely long process and forum statements would be considered hearsay in a common law court. Chances are some vendors will keep selling no matter what.

As well as that a blanket ban goes against hundreds of years of British common law where you are allowed to do something unless explicitly told you aren't.

As for me, I'm trying to taper off a rather large (it was 30mg a few months ago, it's 5mg now) flubromazolam habit. I could probably be off benzos completely by June or July but I guess I'll just have to phone an ambulance when the withdrawal psychosis starts; taxpayer money well spent; it'll cost hundreds a day to take care of me in a hospital whereas it would cost me pennies a day to do the taper myself. Personally I can see this turning into one of the biggest political cockups in the history of the UK and falling to bits in a couple of months after it's passed as vendors will find a way around it (you can't tell if something is psychoactive unless a human takes it, sure they may argue structural similarity in court but it would be a hard one to prove without "take a line of this your honour and tell us if it's psychoactive.
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I don't claim to be correct but I firmly believe the legislative authority have no illusions of this being, or indeed intend for it to be, permanent.

It is but a sledgehammer size stop-gap for the leaking faucet of forever evolving, faster and faster still, pharmacopoeia.
It will be repealed within the first five years, by my guess, on the basis of being next to impossible to use as a prosecution tool. The holes in its structural integrity are so large and so frequent that it seems intentional. Stemming the tide until a complete and effective procedure can be implemented would be its primary use.
 
Yeah, however the deaths and hospitalisations that will occur because of this blanket ban gives everyone good reason to write to their local MP and tell them why this would be harmful long term, opening up wards full of people in severe withdrawal that the doctors don't know how to treat (thus causing brain damage or death as a result.

I would personally encourage everyone who is against this act to write to their MP with a well structured (bullet pointed as they are usually thick as pig shit) set of reasons of why this act would do more harm than good, that a functioning society is only as strong as one that takes care of "it's weakest citizens" and the fact that the act goes against every law made ever since we made the move to British common law.
 
the governement will pass a law, writing it on the skin of a dead goat, and people will continue to take drugs as they did the day before.
 
Looks like the vendors are definitely closing shop. Emails to clients this week stating closure some moving to bank transfer (cash is immediate and they could otherwise face issues trying to get their cash from banks once deemed an illegal business). Mid March looks like the date most of them will be working towards clearing stock. Fire sale has begun.
 
Sent an E-mail to all mailing list from the vendors closing down. My main one ain wrote yet but sure will be soon.

Itsgoneundertheboa said:
Looks like the vendors are definitely closing shop. Emails to clients this week stating closure some moving to bank transfer (cash is immediate and they could otherwise face issues trying to get their cash from banks once deemed an illegal business). Mid March looks like the date most of them will be working towards clearing stock. Fire sale has begun.
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Yea 18 March. Seeya people. Just wanted to warn people of this xxxx

Evey
 
Yeah I just got a mail from my vendor saying they're shutting down halfway through march. Funny thing is, when I saw they were out of flubro'lam I mailed and asked if they had any surplus and they said they were waiting on another delivery.
It may be possible that the big online sites are clearing out some of their less than stellar stock and sending emails urging people to buy up everything, then post ban just setting up again and claiming that their products aren't psychoactive and since they 'aren't for human consumption' it would be almost impossible for them to prove things in a court of law.
Whatever the case I'm stocking up now anyway; better safe than in a hospital ward.
 
Watch out for exit scams people. I havnt been scammed thankfully but heard of vendors taking orders and sending nothing and planning on shutting down in a few weeks. would make sense for any dick head vendors to fuck people over just before shops close and everything is banned. A lot of places doing direct bank trnafer so no way of getting money back that way if you do get fucked over.

MDB i fell for that one unfortunately/fortunately? lol couldnt resist.
 
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