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The Psychoactive Substances Act - Update: Illegals R Us

Just the number of users here getting their knickers in such a knot indicates to me that these laws will in fact be successful in their intentions
 
Sprout said:
To me the only logical progression is for a mass focus on customs and importation which would, if effective, cut the current industry off at the head (large scale domestic distributors) and the ankles (the end users). Definitely something this laughably disconnected disgrace of a parliament would get behind with vigour.
As a result we may see "in-house" domestic clandestine synthesis of popular drugs, RC or otherwise, to fulfill the demand of a rainy little island with widespread cultural psychotropic consumption.
Meth may finally take off here, it'd be the simplest way to make ridiculous sums of money without ever having to import a thing...
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If its anything like Australia's love affair with meth it may start off self sufficient but soon demand outstrips the supply of domestic pseudoephedrine and imports will happen. Tonnes of the stuff are imported here as is pre made meth. And thats with Australias tiny population. So eventually if it does take off imports will be necessary.
 
CloudStrife01 said:
I recon 3-FPM will be here to stay, unlike most of the other RC's that'll just vanish.
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I will be surprised if as Sprout says meth doesn't make an appearance on a much bigger scale. Its a proven money maker for organised crime. Its easy to make, very addictive and super powerful. I would say there is a far greater chance of meth being made than 3FPM. I have never had 3FPM but i doubt it compares to meth amphetamine as a stimulant.
 
consumer said:
I will be surprised if as Sprout says meth doesn't make an appearance on a much bigger scale. Its a proven money maker for organised crime. Its easy to make, very addictive and super powerful. I would say there is a far greater chance of meth being made than 3FPM. I have never had 3FPM but i doubt it compares to meth amphetamine as a stimulant.
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I can't comment on the latter, but 3-FPM does have some unique qualities to it, that a lot of other stimulants just don't have.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Bring on the meth! May as well do things properly :)

At least it's known how to make meth properly, I don't think anyone's figured out how to make consistent good quality 3fpm yet - though they're getting there slowly...
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It took me a while to find the best 3-FPM vendor, and it's been top quality and greatly consistent each time.

Unfortunately, and exactly what you say is that the complicated process of making 3-FPM will mean it'll be terribly crappy if it happens to stay on the market.

Sigh.
 
CloudStrife01 said:
I can't comment on the latter, but 3-FPM does have some unique qualities to it, that a lot of other stimulants just don't have.
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Quite agree - its certainly unique. I've never known another stimulant that also has empathogenic, hallucinogenic and sedative qualities and just keeps going and going and going without making you want to die when you come down.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Quite agree - its certainly unique. I've never known another stimulant that also has empathogenic, hallucinogenic and sedative qualities and just keeps going and going and going without making you want to die when you come down.
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I will put money on the fact that it dissapears when this ban comes into effect in April. It may take a few months as there will be supplys to be used up but really will people risk importing it or making it there? How big a market does it really have? I bet it wont be around much longer.
 
nuube said:
How do you mean?
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Being caught in possession of a "Legal High" will not be an offence under the new Psychoactive Substances Act, if I understand it correctly. So, again for clarity, the police are going to have trouble working out at street level what bag of powders is legal & what isn't. Given that herbal cannabinoids often look liker actual herb, it might even be possible to fool the oinks that you have a bag of legal-to-possess herbal highs instead of illegal weed!

The new legislation is focusing on stopping the production and sale of legal highs, so currently there is no personal possession offence.
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from - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/dealers-legal-highs-face-seven-years-jail-under-new-uk-laws-1503441
 
consumer said:
I will put money on the fact that it dissapears when this ban comes into effect in April. It may take a few months as there will be supplys to be used up but really will people risk importing it or making it there? How big a market does it really have? I bet it wont be around much longer.
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It may be more appropriate to say that 3-FPM is enjoyable enough and unique enough to stand on its on its own merit if it became as well known and as available as the common street stimulants.
 
Sprout said:
It may be more appropriate to say that 3-FPM is enjoyable enough and unique enough to stand on its on its own merit if it became as well known and as available as the common street stimulants.
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Maybe but it simply isnt that well known apart from a tiny niche of online users. If organised crime were to decide to make or import a stimulant for the black market do you think it would even be in the conversation? No way. The subject would be amphetamines or methamphetamine. Proven money spinners that are easy to make.
 
Si Dread said:
Being caught in possession of a "Legal High" will not be an offence under the new Psychoactive Substances Act, if I understand it correctly. So, again for clarity, the police are going to have trouble working out at street level what bag of powders is legal & what isn't. Given that herbal cannabinoids often look liker actual herb, it might even be possible to fool the oinks that you have a bag of legal-to-possess herbal highs instead of illegal weed!



from - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/dealers-legal-highs-face-seven-years-jail-under-new-uk-laws-1503441
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From the link:

Professor David Nutt, the Government's former chief drugs adviser, described the new laws as "utterly pointless".

Says it all really!!!
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply so far guys, feel free to derail the thread in any direction you wish AS LONG AS YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE PSA IS A GOOD THING.

From all the members that have answered so far, 11 think that this law is a bad thing, one person thinks its a good thing and Im still waiting on Sid, Squid and Sprout to give a straight yes or no answer. OTW hasnt given a yes or no either but Im not too worried as its im just grateful he contributed - it'simpossible to get a straight answer from him half the the time and, through no fault of his own, he hasnt got the context to see how the bill will affect the UK (he doesnt realise that a minority of 'RC's' are just as desirable as the 'traditional' illegal drugs and he lives in a different legal climate)

As I iterated at the start, some of these drugs are crap, some are even poisonous and pointless (the artificial cannabinoids but we all know the answer to getting shut of that rubbish) but is this law going going to benefit the population of the United Kingdom - YES or NO. Please!

And as a final re - iteration - yes - I know this is a complicated situation, there are no black and white answers but the UK Conservative government are addressing the issue with a black and white solution - they would never be bothered to take the time to argue the different merits of different approaches or the relative harms of the different drugs the NPS vendors have to offer (read the transcripts from the passage of the bill through parliament if you dont believe me)

YA or NEIN - that was the extent of the governments discussion on this trash, have they made the right decision - YES OR NO 8(
 
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I'm going to say no as it is a step in the wrong direction. We should be working toward legalisation and regulation, not pushing people underground more. Plus the entirely selfish reason that I would prefer it if my weed dealer took cards so I don't have to go to the cash point : P

I think there is a potential for a short term gain, outside of benzo users which will be an utter catastrophe, due to people being pushed back to better known substances, but on the other hand the abysmal quality of street-level gear probably kills off any sort of gain from that.

So both in principle and in practice, I will say no.
 
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