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The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

Well, I'm half way through my stash of epicness. Not bad going really.

That latest info on 3-FPM is definitely rather interesting. I might pay to get full access to the paper this evening.

Open science is good science damn it. Shouldn't have to pay!
 
CloudStrife01 said:
Well, I'm half way through my stash of epicness. Not bad going really.

That latest info on 3-FPM is definitely rather interesting. I might pay to get full access to the paper this evening.

Open science is good science damn it. Shouldn't have to pay!
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Personally I'm just glad some research is being done on the official level. Once analytics is done we may see some biochem/pharm/tox. data. :)
 
CloudStrife01 said:
True! It would be great to know exactly what I've been doing to my body all of this time! ;)
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Generic DRA neurotoxicity with extended use, anorexia leading to malnutrition, ion depletion, oedema in the ankles is likely more so than with other stimulants, vasculitis of veinoules/capillaries has been reported and is common with Phenmetrazine, but the thing I'm most interested in and concerned by is the potential for hypertrophy from agonism of 5HT2B. The meta- substituted Amphetamines and Cathinones show greater cardiotoxicity as a result, along with the Phenylmorpholine structure not being a far cry from the Aminoreces.
 
Sprout said:
Generic DRA neurotoxicity with extended use, anorexia leading to malnutrition, ion depletion, oedema in the ankles is likely more so than with other stimulants, vasculitis of veinoules/capillaries has been reported and is common with Phenmetrazine, but the thing I'm most interested in and concerned by is the potential for hypertrophy from agonism of 5HT2B. The meta- substituted Amphetamines and Cathinones show greater cardiotoxicity as a result, along with the Phenylmorpholine structure not being a far cry from the Aminoreces.
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Oh Fuck!!!
 
The odds are very low regarding hypertrophy given all data points to an inability to bind to SERT. More just a personal worry about 3-x in general. :)

Oooh, just a thought: the presence of 2/3/4-FPM may be the cause of the SERTy feeling if Amp SAR carries over: 2-FA is a fairly balanced DA/NE releaser, 3-FA is massively selective for DAT whereas 4-FA is SERT selective and thus used as an empathogen.
 
Sprout said:
The odds are very low regarding hypertrophy given all data points to an inability to bind to SERT. More just a personal worry about 3-x in general. :)

Oooh, just a thought: the presence of 2/3/4-FPM may be the cause of the SERTy feeling if Amp SAR carries over: 2-FA is a fairly balanced DA/NE releaser, 3-FA is massively selective for DAT whereas 4-FA is SERT selective and thus used as an empathogen.
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When I had the flu on top of a 3fpm 'comedown' the other week, I was waking up in the night absolutely drenched in sweat. I googled 'night sweats', and this appeared: http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Endocarditis/Pages/Symptoms.aspx I had pretty much all the symptoms described. I was pretty sure I was going to die - but I haven't, yet...
 
I did have a bit of a funny moment today and thought I may have over done it a little at one point. I was laying in bed thinking 'Oh shit'

A curry, water, electrolyte replacement drink and multi vitamin tablet and I'm fixed and fit as a fiddle.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Haven't you suffered from mouth ulcers from vaping? I get one on my tongue after just a day on the stuff.
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I can't say I have actually! I don't even get a cough of any sort.

It's strange that the extreme corrosiveness of 3-FPM means when it's used intranasally, or orally it burns and feels so toxic, but when vaped, it feels as clean as breathing in water vapour from a boiling kettle.
 
Aiming the tooter with 3-FPM is as important as it is with the stem when using Meth - the vapour cools and diffuses rapidly if directed towards the trachea but it will chemically rape tooth and tissue alike if concentrated from a short distance.
 
Sprout said:
Aiming the tooter with 3-FPM is as important as it is with the stem when using Meth - the vapour cools and diffuses rapidly if directed towards the trachea but it will chemically rape tooth and tissue alike if concentrated from a short distance.
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Ah good. I'm doing it right then :)

I don't like the thought of my teeth getting raped.
 
A quick question for all those who are vaping/smoking 3-fpm. What are you guys doing with the resideue that builds up in your pipe/ biro case etc... is anyone recycling it?
amongst certain meth smokers it seems that they are just as eager to smoke up the meth residue as apparantly it's noticeably more potent, but with 3-fpm i find it to be more of a last resort fiending action after it's all gone up in a poof of chemical vapourl, clucking for another puff to get you... erm.. well whatever little it actually seems to do, apart from giving me the crazy compulsion to keep puffing away until you stop and notice that your 3g bag is empty. Anyway when vaping the residue it turns a narsty brown colour and has a bitter taste to it. can someone explain why this is? and is it toxic? (More toxic than vaping it pure to begin with) thanks!
 
Good meth leaves no residue lol. If by residue you mean the burnt shit or bits which won't run I would imagine it's probably at least not very good for you, but I don't know much about this drug. FUBAR or Sprout will know I'm sure.
 
coz111 said:
A quick question for all those who are vaping/smoking 3-fpm. What are you guys doing with the resideue that builds up in your pipe/ biro case etc... is anyone recycling it?
amongst certain meth smokers it seems that they are just as eager to smoke up the meth residue as apparantly it's noticeably more potent, but with 3-fpm i find it to be more of a last resort fiending action after it's all gone up in a poof of chemical vapourl, clucking for another puff to get you... erm.. well whatever little it actually seems to do, apart from giving me the crazy compulsion to keep puffing away until you stop and notice that your 3g bag is empty. Anyway when vaping the residue it turns a narsty brown colour and has a bitter taste to it. can someone explain why this is? and is it toxic? (More toxic than vaping it pure to begin with) thanks!
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Again, the quality of tooter residue/condensate depends upon the batch. I've had good stuff that leaves only a thin white condensate which is disappointing. then i've had other stuff which leaves a thick yellow/brown condensate which can be even more potent than the raw powder. is it more toxic? could be, depends upon whether you're burning the powder (as opposed to vapourising it) in the first place. Needless to say, it all gets fuckin smoked whatever!
 
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coz111 said:
A quick question for all those who are vaping/smoking 3-fpm. What are you guys doing with the resideue that builds up in your pipe/ biro case etc... is anyone recycling it?
amongst certain meth smokers it seems that they are just as eager to smoke up the meth residue as apparantly it's noticeably more potent, but with 3-fpm i find it to be more of a last resort fiending action after it's all gone up in a poof of chemical vapourl, clucking for another puff to get you... erm.. well whatever little it actually seems to do, apart from giving me the crazy compulsion to keep puffing away until you stop and notice that your 3g bag is empty. Anyway when vaping the residue it turns a narsty brown colour and has a bitter taste to it. can someone explain why this is? and is it toxic? (More toxic than vaping it pure to begin with) thanks!
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Yup, the vapour recondenses on the tooter leaving a smokeable crust for recycling , exactly as if you were smoking brown heroin base.
 
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