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The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

Sprout said:
X-ray spectra wouldn't be my method of choice, it's just not sensitive enough for "our" use without some pretty major modifications which are ridiculously expensive.

Phase dependent Gas Chromatography used alongside a Near-Infrared Spectrometer connected to a CPU that eats algorithms for breakfast would be perfect though.
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I suspected as much - they seem to be good for elemental analysis, but not compounds. But i'll still stick a tenner in for the equipment you mentioned ;)
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I suspected as much - they seem to be good for elemental analysis, but not compounds. But i'll still stick a tenner in for the equipment you mentioned ;)
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Plus X-ray spec. needs a database of known structure diffraction values to give a reading that can be interpreted in any possible way, useless for novel compounds.

I appear to have forgotten the vital piece of equipment though... the NMR spectrometer! (And I suppose a shitty lil' Mass Spec. would help).
GC/MS/NMR/NIR would fling out the enantiometric formulation and ratio of anything and everything ever, apart from those few exceptions which I'm sure some smartarse will bring up: Fuck you, pedant! :p
 
Sprout said:
Plus X-ray spec. needs a database of known structure diffraction values to give a reading that can be interpreted in any possible way, useless for novel compounds.
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Yeh, it was the need to interpret the output graphs which put us off buying one in the end - we just wanted something which told us which of the restricted elements were present.
 
@sprout (sorry forgot to quote things are going a little wavy).

As you know my chemical knowledge on RC limited but it was mentioned awhile ago that an Eph.... (Sure you can possibly put me right sprout) Could be mixed with powder 3 FPM and gave a harsher experience. Stupidly I was dumb and didn't get crystal form.

My experience of the stuff I got gives a similar effect initially to the 3 FPM but it ends with a very harsh, laborious and tweak come down with a little psychosis creeping in. Lasting over 20 hours from first ingestion. It also doesn't vape totally clear and leaves a brown residue even after taking great care with flame intensity.

But I'm probably a light weight on the RC scene so who knows. I've left it alone now as it simply doesn't deliver the effects profile I was hoping for. At least on the comedown

Edit my supply had a white fluffy texture intermingled with small crystal.
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yeh, it was the need to interpret the output graphs which put us off buying one in the end - we just wanted something which told us which of the restricted elements were present.
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You can pick up a simple bench Mass Spec. for about £1200 if you get really lucky or don't mind playing Treasure Hunter for parts and restoring a kaput old model.
Shimadzu make some pretty fukkin' sweet systems that should have any chemist drooling... like the TQ8040 - can split and identify over 32,000 compounds in a single sample!

*May or may not cause complete nerdgasm*
 
Itsgoneundertheboa said:
@sprout (sorry forgot to quote things are going a little wavy).

As you know my chemical knowledge on RC limited but it was mentioned awhile ago that an Eph.... (Sure you can possibly put me right sprout) Could be mixed with powder 3 FPM and gave a harsher experience. Stupidly I was dumb and didn't get crystal form.

My experience of the stuff I got gives a similar effect initially to the 3 FPM but it ends with a very harsh, laborious and tweak come down with a little psychosis creeping in. Lasting over 20 hours from first ingestion. It also doesn't vape totally clear and leaves a brown residue even after taking great care with flame intensity.

But I'm probably a light weight on the RC scene so who knows. I've left it alone now as it simply doesn't deliver the effects profile I was hoping for. At least on the comedown

Edit my supply had a white fluffy texture intermingled with small crystal.
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There's a billion and one possibilities but your experience rings pretty close to mine and that of others who got shafted with EPD and IPD after the ban. Awful psychosis inducing, highly noradrengeric, physically toxic knockoffs of MPD that will actually block the euphoria from the DA release of 3-FPM while brutalising the PNS.
Eugh.

For me 3-FPM is pretty unique in that it just keeps going and going... and going... and going whereas most stims just leave a cracked-out mess after 24-48h.
 
Sprout said:
I haven't really held much faith in the accuracy of WEDINOS for a while. They don't seem to acquire reference samples in anticipation and aren't meticulous in separatory analysis.
Failing to differentiate between 5-IT and aMT and reporting all to be 5-IT because it was in their records was quite a doozy, so I really can't see them identifying simple positional subs when only the meta- iteration has really been popular.

Not a clue how many of 3-FPM's variations are even active, let alone relative dosage and effect profile.
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Yep heard about that.

Energy control arent any better either, they take so long to test anything the batch will be long gone by the time your results are back. They've now lost 2 samples of speed a mate sent them.
 
Sid said:
Yep heard about that.

Energy control arent any better either, they take so long to test anything the batch will be long gone by the time your results are back. They've now lost 2 samples of speed a mate sent them.
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"Lost"
:sus:

Analytical chemistry is not simple or cheap, the equipment is fucking obscenely priced to the extent that unless you have a full R&D sponsorship, embezzle your academic institution or take the daughter of the Grant Council president hostage in exchange you have to settle for dated or inaccurate technology used on samples you do not choose.
Getting a professional Spec. lab up and running costs millions and millions that they are far more likely to see a return profit on if they analyse as many samples as is physically possible rather than waste time discerning oddities, exceptions and quirks in the results.

Money makes science its bitch, sadly.
 
Tangential GC/MS story, my dad used to know some guys who did quality testing on them, and apparently one of the tests was to make sure the GC wouldn't explode if the hydrogen inside got ignited. But since it was really hard to get the GC to get filled with the optimal hydrogen/air ratio, they simulated the effect of a hydrogen explosion with a stick of dynamite. I wish there were more jobs that involved high explosive proofing of millions of pounds worth of kit, really.
 
Yeah I also thought that "lost", but he is sending from an Eastern European country, so who knows what the post to EC in Spain is like but 2 lost samples did seem like a crock of shit.

I once sent them coke and never heard a thing either. Maybe they graduated from machine to human testing? :) 8)
 
Sid said:
Yeah I also thought that "lost", but he is sending from an Eastern European country, so who knows what the post to EC in Spain is like but 2 lost samples did seem like a crock of shit.

I once sent them coke and never heard a thing either. Maybe they graduated from machine to human testing? :) 8)
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Sprout's In-vivo While Watching Vevo seems like the best place to send for analysis... :sus:
 
I forgot to mention Sid's Sinuses are also hosting a sterling quality service, much faster turnover than EC too... :sus: %)
 
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