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Papaverium

Papaverium

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I am aware that there is a kratom megathread, but that is posted in OD. My goal is to have a kratom recovery thread in Sober Living. If this already exists, admins feel free to remove it. :)

I'm starting this thread for us to discuss our experiences with kratom and how it has been beneficial to our opiate recovery.
I have just began what I like to call my "kratom maintenance therapy" last night, and I can really feel the benefits of this plant already.
What are your favourite strains, and methods of ingesting? Does kratom work for you or not? I'd like to get some feedback and opinions from those of you in recovery from opiate addiction! :)

Please stick to the rules and do not post links to vendors. Thank you! ^^
 
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My favorite is Bali.
I do the ol' toss n' wash method - shoot back a tablespoon and quickly wash it down with orange juice or soda.
However, I am only using this to get thru my withdrawals from heroin and oxycodone - not for a long-term thing.
It helps has helped me with anxiety and depression a lot.
Sadly, Kratom has also led me back to using opiates in the past.
That is just my experience though.
 
I've used kratom pretty successfully to curb opiate (heroin) WD. It's nice because I personally don't really get any bad effects or noticeable WD from kratom. When I was tapering off from heroin I'd usually consume about 8-10 grams of maeng da a day. The powder was nasty to just put in your mouth but whatever, I'd force it down with water or juice.

In my opinion kratom is also an excellent natural anti-anxiety drug.
 
Hey Burnt, what's the biggest dosed you have taken while in WD?
Would it be safe to take 6 to 8 grams every 4 hours without getting sick?
 
Yeah I'd imagine taking that much would be safe.

Most I've taken...probably 14 grams or so? Never really re-dosed with it, I'd usually just take some when I'd get up in the morning.

Even though I was an IV heroin user, my habit was never very big, though, so full disclosure on that...not nearly as big as some of the ones I've read about on here, anyway
 
Burnt Offerings said:
I've used kratom pretty successfully to curb opiate (heroin) WD. It's nice because I personally don't really get any bad effects or noticeable WD from kratom. When I was tapering off from heroin I'd usually consume about 8-10 grams of maeng da a day. The powder was nasty to just put in your mouth but whatever, I'd force it down with water or juice.

In my opinion kratom is also an excellent natural anti-anxiety drug.
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Yes the powder is tricky, but I wouldn't say it tastes so bad if you like earthy flavoured stuff. It's just harder to swallow cause its sooo powdery. I chug it back with some water, all good :)

Just took my second dose today. I don't have a scale so I just kinda eyeball it. Seems to work anyhow.
 
It is a gem for withdrawal. Just be concious that it is easy to replace addictions with it. It's much better then doing heroin or oxy etc. For sure though. Especially if you were an IV user. You can't abuse it like you can those drugs, and it's only ROA can be oral which is good if you ever IV'd stuff in the past.

Once you have stablized on it and been off your DOC for a few weeks, try to slowly taper off, or you'll end up like myself, addicted to the lesser evil that is kratom.
 
Papaverium, I just did the same thing - I don't own a scale anymore so I just scooped a tablespoon and washed it down with some orange soda, almost chocked though!

pbuilder, You're so very right about that. Also I have noticed though with Kratom there seems to be a ceiling effect - If you end up trying to over do it, you get really sick.
I haven't tried to get a buzz off of it because I doubt I would with my opiate tolerance being so high - I am just using it to cushion the WD symptoms.
But I do not wish to become addicted to the Kratom too! Cheers!
 
pbuilder said:
It is a gem for withdrawal. Just be concious that it is easy to replace addictions with it. It's much better then doing heroin or oxy etc. For sure though. Especially if you were an IV user. You can't abuse it like you can those drugs, and it's only ROA can be oral which is good if you ever IV'd stuff in the past.

Once you have stablized on it and been off your DOC for a few weeks, try to slowly taper off, or you'll end up like myself, addicted to the lesser evil that is kratom.
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Yes I am (was) an IV user of hydromorphone, I don't wanna shoot pillls anymore, and kratom really helps with my wds.. I just woke up and I feel great! Not like a bag of bricks whatsoever :)


This plant is godly.
 
It's good that you are not shooting Hydromorphone. Do you still have withdrawals?
I presume Kratom helps dealing with it, considerably. With much lower impact than methadone.
I hope everything works well for you! :)
 
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Me personally the Kratom has worked very well for my withdrawals coming off IV heroin.
Like I said previously, I do not feel any sort of buzz but I do get my appetite back and it helps eliminate that anxiety and even sweats.
My nose still is sort of runny but nothing too bad.

I am just scared I will be sick again when I stop taking the Kratom.. hoping it's min WDs on that spectrum, which I think it should be.
 
I'm sure it's going to be much less painful than the w/d you had from IV'ing heroin.
Aside than Heroin, methadone, etc- withdrawals would be pretty manageable IMO.
 
Erikmen said:
It's good that you are not shooting Hydromorphone. Do you still have withdrawals?
I presume Kratom helps dealing with it, considerably. With much lower impact than methadone.
I hope everything works well for you! :)
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This kratom has been a real game changer. I'm not in wd, and the cravings are significantly less. Only thing is my habit with the needle, that part is hard to give up.
 
I personally enjoy a mix of red vein bali and green vein malaysian in the morning before i eat anything. Ive also realized that putting the powder in room temp water, shaking it up, and taking it all back as fast as possible actually tastes much better than trying to make real tea with it. The only time i enjoy making tea with kratom is if i mix it with kava (which is a great mix by the way, especially for the late-night doses)

I was never addicted to any pills or heroin but i REALLY enjoyed oxy, so i stopped myself short of addiction and picked up kratom to stave off my use of oxy. Now i am moderately addicted to kratom with a small habit of only 3g a day, but it used to be upwards of 10g a day only 3 months ago.
 
Papaverium said:
This kratom has been a real game changer. I'm not in wd, and the cravings are significantly less. Only thing is my habit with the needle, that part is hard to give up.
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I understand, I suggest you use the same efforts you have been using. Have you considered therapy?
You know this all about association and you can work towards something to revert this.
 
Just a quick warning with my experience from Kratom... I have been to drug treatment 4 times in the past two years and was 7 months sober from everything, read how Kratom was all natural and relatively safe. If you're a serious drug addict like I am (IV Heroin, oxy, meth, and anything else that I can get) STAY AWAY from kratom. Tried it for a month, with tolerance sky rocketing and my mind kept telling me I needed more. Didn't take long to go back to shooting Oxys. My last dose of Kratom was 12g, when that didn't get me to where I wanted to be, back to the same old stuff... For the occasional user, Kratom is a sufficient high, energy, calmness and increased libido. But for the addict like me, kratom=relapse... I just wish I would have read a post like mine before I tried it. Probably wouldn't have mattered, but maybe someone out there is contemplating it.
 
Thanks for sharing Mulerider. It seems you've really been through a lot!
I believe that Kratom may jeopardize the recovery if you have already quit opiates.
Btw, welcome to Bluelight.
 
I guess it's the same as avoid the first drink. Once you've get the taste it's all a matter of time IMO.
 
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