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Regional pills/MDMA Discussion: Nae vendor discussion.

consumer said:
Your wrong that safrole oil is only produced in asia and Canada. It is also produced here in Australia from our abundant camphor laurel trees. I posted a link before to a bust of a safrole oil lab a few years ago up near Byron Bay.
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oui said:
I didn't but most of my mates did and said they where nice, nothing mind blowing but they didn't make them mong out or want to sit down etc. Most of them where on it right through until last night and none experienced any of the symptoms of that report.

The picture in that report looks slightly different to the ones the guy in the UK we got them off is selling.
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Agreed they look different. I'm not convinced they are same pressers as the Dutch lions though as nothing on Partyflock forum and they are normally on it. They also just did another 2cb press using that stamp in Green.

From your report don't sound bad I guess. What was duration like ?
 
Im not too sure tbh, I didn't ask enough questions.

Yeah I'd doubt they are from the same pressers, the guy selling didn't know either. But, it begs the question of where is the Dutch Lion successors.
 
I seriously think the successor are the north face ones, they are the exact same shade of peach and the finish likes the same, there is no gloss like finish on them just like the Dutch lions. Just like how you see little bits chipped off on the north face ones just like how the lions did if you had a few in a bag.

I see a lot of you thinking the Decepticon ones are the successor because they are the same shape, I'm sorry but that means jack shit! Copy cat presses are the same shape, fake UPS were the same shape as the real ones. End of the day of the day you'd need to change the dies and barrel etc can't just modify it.

On a separate note I think ying yangs and the love, peace and rock & roll ones are what my mate is getting next, anyone heard any reports?
 
Interesting fact there is MDMA and MDA from a deepweb supplier, I actually believe Tec the guy you used for your Canadian MDMA purchase. Anyway the guy making it is confirming it's made from PMK. And even the MDMA when tested with a marquis someone's taken pictures and it turns purple before black.

So basically all the MDMA in the UK is made with PMK gylcidate as I've not seen MDMA that went purple first since like 2011 or before would be my conclusion and it's just the odd batch of pills that are likely to be decent (easier to track stamps than batches MDMA). There's the odd batch of decent pills made from PMK or safrole that turn purple on the marquis look out for them everything else is the stuff made from an analogue precursor which has never seen safrole and is a result shite MDMA, it turns jet black instantly. The marquis theory is honestly solid I think it's safe to say at this point.
 
consumer said:
Your wrong that safrole oil is only produced in asia and Canada. It is also produced here in Australia from our abundant camphor laurel trees. I posted a link before to a bust of a safrole oil lab a few years ago up near Byron Bay.
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Sid said:
Interesting fact there is MDMA and MDA from a deepweb supplier, I actually believe Tec the guy you used for your Canadian MDMA purchase. Anyway the guy making it is confirming it's made from PMK. And even the MDMA when tested with a marquis someone's taken pictures and it turns purple before black.

So basically all the MDMA in the UK is made with PMK gylcidate as I've not seen MDMA that went purple first since like 2011 or before would be my conclusion and it's just the odd batch of pills that are likely to be decent (easier to track stamps than batches MDMA). There's the odd batch of decent pills made from PMK or safrole that turn purple on the marquis look out for them everything else is the stuff made from an analogue precursor which has never seen safrole and is a result shite MDMA, it turns jet black instantly. The marquis theory is honestly solid I think it's safe to say at this point.
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Backs up the thoughts re regeant testing then, could become an expensive habit to seek perfection !
 
What consumer said is also correct but that's one operation and to my knowledge Aus import most of their MDMA/pills from Europe.

The marquis seems to be one thing which does not lie if you test it and it goes purple>black it's Made with PMK/safrole the old formula and if it goes straight black it is this new stuff that lasts half as long and feels mongy.
 
consumer said:
It may have just been one operation that got caught but there is definitely safrole based mdma in circulation among people that I know. More than that i am not prepared to say.
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Ive had Aus made MDMA tabs and crystal that blew the Euro stuff out of the water.
 
I have to say the Aussie White Hearts back in 2011 were better then anything I've ever had. It was my first time though.

Maybe I need to start buying local again.
 
Right, this is the last time I'm gonna be nice about this: vendor discussion is not allowed.
It's been made clear several times, it's in the bleedin' thread title, and many of you have been around more than long enough to know better.

Keep it above board or things will start getting *Snippy* and Sticky.
 
Sid said:
Interesting fact there is MDMA and MDA from a deepweb supplier, I actually believe Tec the guy you used for your Canadian MDMA purchase. Anyway the guy making it is confirming it's made from PMK. And even the MDMA when tested with a marquis someone's taken pictures and it turns purple before black.

So basically all the MDMA in the UK is made with PMK gylcidate as I've not seen MDMA that went purple first since like 2011 or before would be my conclusion and it's just the odd batch of pills that are likely to be decent (easier to track stamps than batches MDMA). There's the odd batch of decent pills made from PMK or safrole that turn purple on the marquis look out for them everything else is the stuff made from an analogue precursor which has never seen safrole and is a result shite MDMA, it turns jet black instantly. The marquis theory is honestly solid I think it's safe to say at this point.
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He was apparently making it with 'Safrole' a month ago.

Blah blah blah

I'd actually like to know the scoop on this, could well be the precursor thing but what do we actually know? Surely someone representing the 'Manchester Crew' could let us know about the state of MDMA production.
 
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@consumer & mister

I've done some research into the topic of the Aus pills/crystal situation and I have to say I'm not convinced. Which areas are each of you in? Have you tested your crystal and if so what was the marquis like?

Aus has a lower % of pills than the UK (significantly) in terms of how many pills actually contain MDMA. When I went on pill report 2/3 of the pills I was seeing which contained MDMA were Dutch made. And there were more snides than here in the UK.

There might be the odd lab making stuff from safrole, but it's certainly not a high percentage. You can tell it is being done, because you have pills with MDA and MDEA in them. Which I've discovered the reason they were more common back in the day is safrole can make any of the 3 through a similar reduction process that can't be discussed here. PMK is 2 steps further in the proces > MDMA than safrole, and as doesn't seem to be converted to the other two as often.

Try punting safrole MDMA into Google and safrole oil. There's a few articles worth reading, it's clear its use as a precursor became much less since 2006.
 
Sid said:
@consumer & mister

I've done some research into the topic of the Aus pills/crystal situation and I have to say I'm not convinced. Which areas are each of you in? Have you tested your crystal and if so what was the marquis like?

Aus has a lower % of pills than the UK (significantly) in terms of how many pills actually contain MDMA. When I went on pill report 2/3 of the pills I was seeing which contained MDMA were Dutch made. And there were more snides than here in the UK.

There might be the odd lab making stuff from safrole, but it's certainly not a high percentage. You can tell it is being done, because you have pills with MDA and MDEA in them. Which I've discovered the reason they were more common back in the day is safrole can make any of the 3 through a similar reduction process that can't be discussed here. PMK is 2 steps further in the proces > MDMA than safrole, and as doesn't seem to be converted to the other two as often.

Try punting safrole MDMA into Google and safrole oil. There's a few articles worth reading, it's clear its use as a precursor became much less since 2006.
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Someone did the research already or at least using all data on pillreports. Actually Canada seems to be the worst place on the planet http://www.projectknow.com/discover/jagged-little-pill/

Although data is slightly flawed as no one has yet analysed % Dutch imports / fake imports all areas.

That would be very interesting to take % of homegrown Aus, UK, US etc. take out all known imports / copies (copies are false data points) then running the sums on those identified as home grown. It would point to % of MD produced locally and quality. Alas Canada will come out bottom any way you look at it.
 
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Sorry but I'll have to stop you right there mate. How does what's reported on pillreport or ecstasy data convey what's available there? Surely more people are reporting pills that need a warning than bothering to report ones which are safe.
Also things have changed since 2007 when they started pill reports, the whole scene precursors used and general trends have changed. That data isn't much use in terms of examining what we are after which is information regarding the current situation.

Canada is certainly a big producer and exporter of MDMA
http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/inside-the-lucrative-world-of-ecstasy-smuggling/

There was some doubt about in in 2009 by the look of it but it's a well known fact now Canada supplies a large proportion of North America. I imagine the Dutch are still leading producer by a long way though. They export pills and MDMA worldwide. That's what I'm saying to our Aussie friends. I still think most of their pills and MDMA will be Dutch sourced, but that's just my opinion.
 
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Sid said:
Sorry but I'll have to stop you right there mate. How does what's reported on pillreport or ecstasy data convey what's available there? Surely more people are reporting pills that need a warning than bothering to report ones which are safe.
Also things have changed since 2007 when they started pill reports, the whole scene precursors used and general trends have changed. That data isn't much use in terms of examining what we are after which is information regarding the current situation.

Canada is certainly a big producer and exporter of MDMA
http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/inside-the-lucrative-world-of-ecstasy-smuggling/

There was some doubt about in in 2009 by the look of it but it's a well known fact now Canada supplies a large proportion of North America. I imagine the Dutch are still leading producer by a long way though. They export pills and MDMA worldwide. That's what I'm saying to our Aussie friends. I still think most of their pills and MDMA will be Dutch sourced, but that's just my opinion.
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Absolutely Sid.l you are right to point out the flaws.

The premise I thought was does Australia have its own MDMA.

We have no other reliable data on what is available or otherwise except that which is published by users.

Pill reports is actually one of the most reliable sources of data to judge quality of MD per region, simply by the fact that it is the largest catchment of users publishing theoretically unbiased reports (bar the dealer ones). Ultimately data becomes more reliable by volume. Hence why data is now seen the key to prediction in most industries. One person reporting is meaningless lots begins to make a picture and gives a prediction of patterns. Same as how google now works using your search data. I disagree on bad pill shout reports, actually they are much lower than the majority which give report of quality of experience etc.

However and I agree as stated data is screwed somewhat by dark web exports of Dutch.

Canada clearly therefore exports the good stuff. This study is done up until 2014 and takes in what we see as both good years and bad.

However i do find it strange that if the good shit is in Canada they go to the trouble of exporting it when clearly their home market is in need of some quality time. Very strange unless the local market has their own personal idea of good MD. IE we look for euphoria, rushes, empathy and energy. Canadians want meth buzz, Dutch want monge, US want cathinone.
 
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