rc disassociiatives

[Sprout]

Because comparison threads between drugs of the same class are a lil' different than threads asking about specific compounds in specific forms which may or may not be limited to a single vendor.
It's a sketchy area to monitor as staff, it becomes vendor discussion with but 2 posts and goes downhill from there.
The thread was answered, self-serving and couldn't head anywhere without becoming a minefield.

 

[Dioxy]

What makes you say that?

Though the statement was a little 'blanket' it was intentionally so. All of the Hexylamines have their unique characters, but 3-MeO is has a very special profile in my opinion. It's worth noting that some people really don't like it - it's a little bit of a marmite situation. In my experience, it's the only Hexylamine that is:

a) Extremely potent but still reasonable to handle
b) Has an extremely long duration
c) The action is complex and seems to 'morph' through various stages or 'plateu's throughout.
d) The come-down is gentle and the re-dose urge is relatively low
e) At certain moments in time, in the right environment, it can cultivate a feeling of absolute peace, acceptance and mindfulness.
d) It seems to combine relatively safely (and very impressively!) with classical psychedelics.

Those things make it my favourite dissociative. Others have the ability to mimic some of those effects, but are often much more difficult to handle safely.

 

[nuube]

Though the statement was a little 'blanket' it was intentionally so. All of the Hexylamines have their unique characters, but 3-MeO is has a very special profile in my opinion. It's worth noting that some people really don't like it - it's a little bit of a marmite situation. In my experience, it's the only Hexylamine that is:

a) Extremely potent but still reasonable to handle
b) Has an extremely long duration
c) The action is complex and seems to 'morph' through various stages or 'plateu's throughout.
d) The come-down is gentle and the re-dose urge is relatively low
e) At certain moments in time, in the right environment, it can cultivate a feeling of absolute peace, acceptance and mindfulness.
d) It seems to combine relatively safely (and very impressively!) with classical psychedelics.

Those things make it my favourite dissociative. Others have the ability to mimic some of those effects, but are often much more difficult to handle safely.

Thanks Dioxy.

Seems a lot of people would disagree with A - from my reading a lot seem to say it can turn ugly quickly.

For my 2 cents worth I think D & E are spot on If I take about 20mg I feel so at peace and tranquil - it is pretty damn good. MY only concern is that 20mg is listed as a heavy dose and I am being very cautious about increasing due to some of the more negative comments out there. I know I am a lot more cautious with measuring it than I am with MXE.
I like the idea of mixing it with psychedelics - have good experiences mixing AL-lad & LSZ with MXE.

Would you need to drop the 3-meo-pcp dose by much when combining with say 100mcg of 1p-LSD?

 

[Dioxy]

Thanks Dioxy.

Seems a lot of people would disagree with A - from my reading a lot seem to say it can turn ugly quickly.

For my 2 cents worth I think D & E are spot on If I take about 20mg I feel so at peace and tranquil - it is pretty damn good. MY only concern is that 20mg is listed as a heavy dose and I am being very cautious about increasing due to some of the more negative comments out there. I know I am a lot more cautious with measuring it than I am with MXE.
I like the idea of mixing it with psychedelics - have good experiences mixing AL-lad & LSZ with MXE.

Would you need to drop the 3-meo-pcp dose by much when combining with say 100mcg of 1p-LSD?

I was perhaps a little over-cautious (or even irresponsible) to call it 'reasonable to handle.' I steered intentionally away from 'easy to handle' because I've found myself in deep holes waking up in an ambulance a couple of times on it. But I consider that to be serious abuse and irresponsible handling.

The problem with 3-MeO as I see it is that it's potent enough, and long lasting enough, that doses vary wildly between tolerant and non-tolerant users. Not only that, but the long duration makes re-dosing a bit of a guessing game. IMO you're wise to be more cautious with it than you are with MXE, MXE is extremely forgiving by comparison.

If you know yourself well, you can make some fairly good guesses about your own reaction to it. Additionally, despite its high potency I wouldn't call it difficult to handle in the same way that Diphenidine/MK-801/3-HO-PCP are. Those drugs are all very different potencies, but they share very unpredictable dose-response curves. The Phenidines in particular can cause some worrying seizure-like states if not treated with great care, whereas the PCP derivatives seem to be less 'aggressive,' even in overdose.

Personally I usually cut my dissociative dose to about 66% of usual when combining with psychedelics of that kind, but that's purely a precaution and I don't know if it's necessary.

 

[nuube]

I was perhaps a little over-cautious (or even irresponsible) to call it 'reasonable to handle.' I steered intentionally away from 'easy to handle' because I've found myself in deep holes waking up in an ambulance a couple of times on it. But I consider that to be serious abuse and irresponsible handling.

The problem with 3-MeO as I see it is that it's potent enough, and long lasting enough, that doses vary wildly between tolerant and non-tolerant users. Not only that, but the long duration makes re-dosing a bit of a guessing game. IMO you're wise to be more cautious with it than you are with MXE, MXE is extremely forgiving by comparison.

If you know yourself well, you can make some fairly good guesses about your own reaction to it. Additionally, despite its high potency I wouldn't call it difficult to handle in the same way that Diphenidine/MK-801/3-HO-PCP are. Those drugs are all very different potencies, but they share very unpredictable dose-response curves. The Phenidines in particular can cause some worrying seizure-like states if not treated with great care, whereas the PCP derivatives seem to be less 'aggressive,' even in overdose.

Personally I usually cut my dissociative dose to about 66% of usual when combining with psychedelics of that kind, but that's purely a precaution and I don't know if it's necessary.

Thanks for that. On the re-dosing I would often re-dose MXE but never had the urge to re-dose on 3-MEO-PCP.

On a heavy week I could use MXE 10 times; a heavy week of 3-MEO-PCP would be twice so hopefully spacing the doses apart well will prevent any build up and subsequent psychotic episodes.

I would need to experiment a bit more but as said I am very cautious with this chem.

 

[kingme]

personally i find 3meopcp much more useful than mxe.... im not big on dissasociatives, but 3meo is something else. dioxy made a very nice list which im subscribing to, with the repeated warning that it can give the impression of being in control for longer than mxe, and as such is probably more likely to cause psychological dependence in those not looking for the full on fun aspects of dissasociatives...

mxe also has a longer duration than most people think, iirc... the day after mxe can usually be felt, or at least it influences any additional drugs (psychedelics for instance)

 

[dez79]

I have never understood the need to be dissassociated or delirous for "long duration" ? short term say four hours? each to their own i guess , nothing will ever be as good as pure ketamine no matter how they sell it . RC are always a gamble if it makes it threw customs...