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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

Surely that's all the more reason to ban access to such drugs? The public should not be able to self medicate a dangerous chemical without the proper education or knowledge to avoid adverse reactions. Living in a democracy doesn't mean that everyone is capable by default.
 
i agree benzos are probably among the worst of the things avaiable on the open RC market at the moment, they shouldn't be as easily available because they can and do ruin or end peoples lives.
 
If the illegal versions which are already long established and researched weren't banned the market for RC benzos and most of the other unresearched legal highs currently available would likely cease to exist.
 
most of the RC's on the market wouldn't exist atall if the government hadn't made piecemeal legislative measures over the years to address specific drug structures, the misuse of drugs act is a mess.
 
The RC market exist because people are pussies and want to justify their drug use by telling themselves it is legal.

Nothing good comes from isolating ones self and taking drugs alone in your bedroom. At least being force to get out and meet actual real people once and a while allows someone to physically tap you on the shoulder and say that you've had enough.

Nothing healthy about choosing the life of a drug Guinea pig so some chemist can make some coin
 
One Thousand Words said:
Nothing healthy about choosing the life of a drug Guinea pig so some chemist can make some coin
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very true. Most people are not really informed about what they are taking, or of any history behind the chemical if it's come off some 40 year old patent where it was only tested on mice, or even worse just been literally invented out of thin air specifically to flout legislation, then using gullible people to test the drugs on while making a profit off it. To them it is just another commoddity though, the vendors typically aren't chemists.
 
I really wonder what motivates people to buy stuff from headshops thats just called some made up shit like 'black mamba' and told it will get them feeling stoned. I want to know why people buy products that don't make the actual chemical contents explicitly clear, is it curiosity? word of mouth? just attracted by the brand?
 
I must confess it is a hobby of mine to harass the local headshop staff about the stuff they sell, they are honestly as stupid as you'd think.
Shockingly, one of them is a qualified Biochemist, but the rest just seem to be local stoners.

AFAIK, a lot of products do state an ingredients list, but often have chunks absent or vague.

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yeah and i reckon most people buying the stuff have no idea what the chemical names mean anyway. It is total russian roulette really.

one thing is for sure though, a huge amount of adolescents and people in their 20's want to get high one way or another regardless of the law, but with legal highs, I think a lot of it is experimentation + ease of access to order stuff online + straightforward naivety. These people are always going to be the ones behaving recklessly or ending up in hospital, wether it is alcohol or too much synthetic cannabinoids.

i really hope this law gets a battering and thrown out for being completely anti evidence, anti science, and based on nothing other than bullshit and a failure to devote resources to properly tackle the problem of drug abuse.
 
I'm just glad there'll be less attention on the gram or two of Heroin and her White friend...

See how well Prohibition worked there.

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Perhaps it will help stop some of the more casual users / fiends of rc's but I imagine availability will stillbe around for more educated users who use drugs sensibly / not in a way that causes problems for others, just the same as its always been for traditional illegal drugs.

personal use shouldnt be a crime and hopefully the authorities will be more concerned about catching the big fish that are professional drug dealers that exploit people and wreck communities for large sums of money.

the government just do not want to invest in the resources needed to educate people, help people behave safely if they do take drugs, help people to catch damaging drug use early on and stop them falling into the downward spiral.

better to have a reactionary attitude and just BAN EVERYTHING. these fuckwits in charge just aren't competent, they arent acting in the best interests of citizens atall.
 
I'm still certain that once drug use ends up entirely split between the black market and the prison system, either the law will be repealed swiftly or we say hello to a US style Prison-Industrial Complex.

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StoneHappyMonday said:
Right. I've been researching this as far as I believe possible and AFAIK, this is the current state of play.

LEGALLY, there are still (untold story) 1.5 million benzo addicts receiving 18 million scripts a year via GPs in the UK.

ILLICITLY, there are an indeterminate number (anyone care to guess?) of 'legal' benzo addicts who receive their pills from legal high websites. Websites that are due to close with the NPS Act come April.

The governments position? Totally confused. Possession will remain legal. BUT the ability to gain that possession, from home or abroad, will be highly illegal.

Conclusion? No answer as yet to the x thousand legal benzo addicts who will have their supply cut off come April, save for stockpiling your drugs now and delaying the problem for x years.

Are we really in a position where the current govt is prepared to let x thousand people die in the coming years? Or, is the only saving grace that the only real hurdle to this Act is an unyet defined working definition of what a NPS is, one that will for example save coffee (or Beethovens 5th) being included and will therefore kill this bill?

Basically two choices.

Do you think a) the govt are such cunts they prepared to see thousands suffer and die or

B) the Act will fail for the sake of a watertight scientific definition of what an NPS constitutes?

Anyone with a viable option c) is welcome to air it, I just can't see one.
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I like b.
 
People take rc benzos because benzos are the one of the best short-to medium treatments for anxiety and insomnia (ghb is better for insomnia) we have at the moment. If doctors weren't so uptight about prescribing of diazepam, xyrem, testosterone (yes, it works for anxiety)... and pharma companies weren't so focused on profits to keep pumping out ssris that don't help the vast majority of people and also cause some bad side effects (sexual dysfunction, weight gain, addiction.... not everyone gets them ofc, but not everyone has huge problems with stopping benzos either) and developed new drugs to help people that actually worked we there would be a no huge rc benzo problem in the first place. Also it's funny that for therapy that helps more ppl than ssris is harder/more expensive to get than drugs.

Also depending on the wording of the law, vendors could just sell inactive prodrugs of the then illegal rcs which would be converted to active versions in the body.
 
^ I think you're clinging to false hope there.

Imagine how time consuming, expensive and complicated that court case would be.

Even if you get some experts to argue on your behalf the discretion of the judge is final. Will they really side with the vendor if it came to it ?

I highly doubt that. Psychoactive when in contact with stomach acid or psychoactive once broken down by the kidneys is *still* psychoactive.

Is anyone actually going to bother ?

Vendors are either two bit bedroom businesses or they are the big ones who have already made enough cash to retire.
They have little to gain and plenty to loose.

Face it, rhe uk rc scene is almost over.

Remember they're not just changing the law here, China has been pressured to ban loads.

India will also feel pressure if they step up to fill the gap.
 
white55 said:
Also it's funny that for therapy that helps more ppl than ssris is harder/more expensive to get than drugs.
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If Big Pharma™ really imagined for a moment that non-drug therapies posed a credible threat to their business models, then the major drug companies would start investing in providers of such therapies. They may call it "Diversification" and "Future-Proofing", but those are weasel words for "backing both horses" at best, or "getting right behind someone so you're in the best place to stab them in the back" at worst.

Not that I'm saying that isn't precisely what will happen, if and when such therapies mature; just that I don't think their scarcity is necessarily evidence of a conspiracy, so much as simply not being quite ready for the big time. As soon as they find an "alternative medicine" that really works, they tend to start just calling it "medicine".
white55 said:
Also depending on the wording of the law, vendors could just sell inactive prodrugs of the then illegal rcs which would be converted to active versions in the body.
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Smart-arsery will get you nowhere, matey. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck .....
 
They've had no problems banning dmt.

Melatonin will still be on sale, they're not going to be raiding health food shops.

The law doesn't need to be water tight. It just needs to be tight enough to dissuade UK based companies from carrying on.

Kids slinging rocks on estates may see getting arrested as an occupational hazard but the top RC companies have made millions.

No way they're going to risk their comfortable lifestyle.

Anything they sell now will have to forgotten, there's tons of evidence that they are active.
So it'd mean investing money in finding something new. Who's going to do that when the authorities will be itching to use their new toy and make an example of them ?

I'm obviously not a lawyer.


But I know a lost cause when I see one
 
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