How long after taking 8mgs total of subs for 3 days should I wait?

[Edaw'Naflagn]

I had zero T to opiates before taking Suboxone and only was taking subs to get high which worked very well. I started taking 8mgs a day 3 days ago and was wondering, how long should I wait to take a roxi 30? I've been taking small doses of 8mg strips for about 3 days only and I haven't taken any today at all. I have a oxy 30 waiting in front of me but I don't feel like taking it till I know I'll get the max effects from it. I wasn't on subs very long I've taken them before for longer like a week and a half max. I just want to know how long I should wait till I can use opiates again. I'm not addicted I can just get subs very easy, easier than oxy or hydro and cheaper too. I'm starting to feel it leave my system due to a very small almost unnoticeable headache I have and me being very sleepy instead of up and kinda noddy when I'm on subs. Any help would be great! I'm guessing wait 24-32 hours total or even 48 hours total to feel the max amount of my opiates I have and I'm getting?

 

[bdomihizayka]

The suboxone most likely jacked up your tolerance. Such a shame to lose your opiate virginity to bupe .... but what's done is done- I'd wait at least 72 hours to touch that oxycodone. 8mgs is a big dose and it has a very long halflife... even after 72 hours your still going to have "x"mgs of bupe on your receptors blocking other agonists.... and even then, it wouldn't feel as it would have you not used 8mgs of suboxone for 3 days. If you really want to get full effect you gotta wait a few weeks. Tolerance is a bitch.

 

[Edaw'Naflagn]

The suboxone most likely jacked up your tolerance. Such a shame to lose your opiate virginity to bupe .... but what's done is done- I'd wait at least 72 hours to touch that oxycodone. 8mgs is a big dose and it has a very long halflife... even after 72 hours your still going to have "x"mgs of bupe on your receptors blocking other agonists.... and even then, it wouldn't feel as it would have you not used 8mgs of suboxone for 3 days. If you really want to get full effect you gotta wait a few weeks. Tolerance is a bitch.

This isn't the first opiate I've done I lost my opiate virginty to oxy man haha but no I'll wait for about 3-6 days maybe a full week but I'll test if I can get a buzz or high with norco 5's.

 

[Edaw'Naflagn]

The suboxone most likely jacked up your tolerance. Such a shame to lose your opiate virginity to bupe .... but what's done is done- I'd wait at least 72 hours to touch that oxycodone. 8mgs is a big dose and it has a very long halflife... even after 72 hours your still going to have "x"mgs of bupe on your receptors blocking other agonists.... and even then, it wouldn't feel as it would have you not used 8mgs of suboxone for 3 days. If you really want to get full effect you gotta wait a few weeks. Tolerance is a bitch.

Also I didn't take 8mg's everyday for 3 days; I had one strip of 8mgs and cut it into a quarter than a small quarter to equal a half. The next day I did the same and finished it by night and got another strip. I used half that strip as I got up then the rest was at like 930pm. I haven't had any today, my weight is 120 and I have a very fast metabolism. I'm pretty healthy guy and if needed I can try to get it outta my body quicker by drinking a load of water and pissin it out and taking episome salt Balts to drain me out too, while I rehydrate and piss, then repeat. I'll be saving norco 5's till I feel like I can take the 30mg oxy but imma save them all up then take the 30 with a couple 5's once 2-3 or even 5 days are up to see if I got it out to a point inwhich I can get noddy and buzzed out enough. Any suggestions to get this shit outta my body quicker?

 

[Cliffy78]

I'd say about 3 days bro. Sure it's got a long half life but it's not gonna be on ur receptors for a week I don't think. I usually can dose after 48hrs and feel oxy/dope just fine after that. I say wait 3 day just to be a little more sure. I'm no chemist I'm just telling u what works for me for what that's worth. In my experience 48-72hrs is enough for me to feel a15mg oxy. I'm sure some rocket scientists are gonna say I'm wrong but idc this is what works for me, lol. Enjoy ur blueberry bro...

 

[namnoc16]

Yeah 3 days of use will very moderately increase your tolerance and it hasn't had a chance to build up in your system enough to prevent you from getting high. You most likely would get high today but I'd wait another to be sure. Also drinking plenty of fluids is nice(keeps the kidneys healthy) but the only proven thing to detox your system is soluble fiber and time! All that other bullshit out there like golden seal and niacin also are bogus,eat yourself some oatmeal!

 

[Edaw'Naflagn]

Yeah 3 days of use will very moderately increase your tolerance and it hasn't had a chance to build up in your system enough to prevent you from getting high. You most likely would get high today but I'd wait another to be sure. Also drinking plenty of fluids is nice(keeps the kidneys healthy) but the only proven thing to detox your system is soluble fiber and time! All that other bullshit out there like golden seal and niacin also are bogus,eat yourself some oatmeal!

I've actually gotten a good meal today of Rosetta and chicken breast with water; I then drank a bout 8-10 cups of black tea mix with lemonade so I've been pussin like a horse and I've felt the suboxone leave my system due to me taking more kpins due to subs upper like effect my kpins hit me hours after I kept pissin so I know the shit has/is leaving my system and I have a fast metabolism and eat healthy or don't eat at all sometimes. I drink tea (Arionza lol Ikr I don't do the real deal shit? Nope ha) and water only. So in my opinion I think I'm good to try them now I'll post back after I sniff this 15mg roxi and pop 10mg of hydro or take 20mg of Hydromet syrup mixed with DXM to increase te effects but I'll do the oxy on it's own then wait and take the hydro, etc... If and when I want to or feel like it would allow my high to last longer. Gotta take a piss then I'm off to sniff this 15mg I'll be right back to tell you if it effects me 100% or only 50-70%.

 

[Edaw'Naflagn]

Ok it's for sure not the best time to have tried it, BUT, I did get the normal effect off of 15mg of oxy snorted. I actually feel a but higher don't know why? But, I even feel a heavy ass body high like I feel like a brick. Euphoria is a bit lesser than normal but the overall effects are all 100% great. No rush from the snorting too which I like and it hit me instantly but it slowly is getting stronger. I should state that for ME, atleast, when I take suboxone then wait for 24+ hours like I did then take an opiate it seems to kill the rush in a small way but still allows it which is odd. What I mean is it makes your metabolism slowed after taking suboxone for a couple days or like me 3 then stop for 24+ hours or more you get a better feeling IMO off of opiates. It's more relaxing and kills my pain A LOT easier and seems to last longer as well. I suggest the use of cannabis incase you don't feel anything at first to get it kicked started but for me it kick started itself instantly.

 

[Edaw'Naflagn]

Ok it's for sure not the best time to have tried it, BUT, I did get the normal effect off of 15mg of oxy snorted. I actually feel a but higher don't know why? But, I even feel a heavy ass body high like I feel like a brick. Euphoria is a bit lesser than normal but the overall effects are all 100% great. No rush from the snorting too which I like and it hit me instantly but it slowly is getting stronger. I should state that for ME, atleast, when I take suboxone then wait for 24+ hours like I did then take an opiate it seems to kill the rush in a small way but still allows it which is odd. What I mean is it makes your metabolism slowed after taking suboxone for a couple days or like me 3 then stop for 24+ hours or more you get a better feeling IMO off of opiates. It's more relaxing and kills my pain A LOT easier and seems to last longer as well. I suggest the use of cannabis incase you don't feel anything at first to get it kicked started but for me it kick started itself instantly.

Quick update: my hydrocodone I took 10 mins after I snorted the 15mg of oxy is kicking in just fine and I can feel it better than normal and it has a different feeling to it in comparison to when I just use opiates (not subs) and mix oxy with hydro together only. Seems like this is a mellow, down to earth, buzz, that's way more of an heavy buzz not a 'high' but more so a really good buzz that's almost a rush like high

 

[Edaw'Naflagn]

Ok it's for sure not the best time to have tried it, BUT, I did get the normal effect off of 15mg of oxy snorted. I actually feel a but higher don't know why? But, I even feel a heavy ass body high like I feel like a brick. Euphoria is a bit lesser than normal but the overall effects are all 100% great. No rush from the snorting too which I like and it hit me instantly but it slowly is getting stronger. I should state that for ME, atleast, when I take suboxone then wait for 24+ hours like I did then take an opiate it seems to kill the rush in a small way but still allows it which is odd. What I mean is it makes your metabolism slowed after taking suboxone for a couple days or like me 3 then stop for 24+ hours or more you get a better feeling IMO off of opiates. It's more relaxing and kills my pain A LOT easier and seems to last longer as well. I suggest the use of cannabis incase you don't feel anything at first to get it kicked started but for me it kick started itself instantly.

Quick update: my hydrocodone I took 10 mins after I snorted the 15mg of oxy is kicking in just fine and I can feel it better than normal and it has a different feeling to it in comparison to when I just use opiates (not subs) and mix oxy with hydro together only. Seems like this is a mellow, down to earth, buzz, that's way more of an heavy buzz not a 'high' but more so a really good buzz that's almost a rush like high

Also very short note: whitegrape fruit 100% juice seems to allow the oxy and hydro to bypass the Bup slowly but fast, and allows the receptors to release more of what the Bup is blocking.

 

[manboychef]

I would just cut the bupe out of your repetiore. It is very easy to get hooked, and it has quite a lot of emotional downsides.

I was prescribed subutex for a long time and it jacked my tolerance through the roof, as well as making me an uncaring, cynical, yet anxiety ridden asshole. Just be careful. Unless you are doing a taper, or are planning on using it as a maintenance opioid then I would just steer clear.

 

[SKR]

^If bupe has negative effect on anxiety and therefore probably panic attacks, then I may as well rule out switching over to it. It sounds like it made you feel like shit Manboychef for sure.

 

[Cliffy78]

I would just cut the bupe out of your repetiore. It is very easy to get hooked, and it has quite a lot of emotional downsides.

I was prescribed subutex for a long time and it jacked my tolerance through the roof, as well as making me an uncaring, cynical, yet anxiety ridden asshole. Just be careful. Unless you are doing a taper, or are planning on using it as a maintenance opioid then I would just steer clear.

It does this to u too bro?? I thought it was just me. Everyone's swearing by the shit so I thought I was just a weirdo. The subs fuck me up mentally in all kinds of terrible ways. Kinda like antipsychotics affect me. Super panic, super super anxiety, an increase in hopelessness(depression) and paranoia just to name a few of the side effects.
They work great for keeping wd sickness at bay but IMO those side effects outweigh any positive results.
Just for the record I will still take subs if the only option is to be sick or take a sub but given the option of sub or anything else(opiatewise) I'll take anything else, even a high dose of tramadol which suuuucks lol.
It's interesting to know that this happens to others as well though.
I have pretty serious preexisting mental illness issues so maybe it just exasserbates my symptoms. I'm wondering if u have similiar preexisting issues manboychef??

 

[manboychef]

an increase in hopelessness(depression)

This was the most prominent feeling I had on subs. I have major depressive disorder, panic disorder, and OCD. Yeah it really just keeps WDs at bay, but it doesn't give you any of the feelings of wellbeing, or antidepressant effects of traditional opiates.

It also made me have to shoot 15bags just to not be sick.

 

[Cliffy78]

This was the most prominent feeling I had on subs. I have major depressive disorder, panic disorder, and OCD. Yeah it really just keeps WDs at bay, but it doesn't give you any of the feelings of wellbeing, or antidepressant effects of traditional opiates.

It also made me have to shoot 15bags just to not be sick.

Yup I totally agree, I also get insanely intense cravings for "real" opiates on the subs, idk why because others are telling me that their getting tore up from the subs, unfortunately I don't any kind of buzz from them.
And yeah man the craving leads to doing a bun or 2 just to feel "normal" again. Bad stuff IMO but it's helped alot of people so idk what to think really.
Maybe it just happens to us because of our preexisting conditions?

 

[manboychef]

yeah cliffy, I think that maybe it is one of those remedies that you really need to weight the pros and cons before delving into it.

I ended up with a serious IV cocaine habit while on it because I was always still craving a rush, and a way to mitigate my anxiety and OCD.

I really do believe that having co-occurring mental disorders have a huge impact overall on the effectiveness of this treatment. I know for one, that my anxiety was worse and I had many more panic episodes on it. I also had lots of sleep paralysis while on it. Did you notice that too. It is those dreams where you are still aware of your surrounds (ie your bedroom, or wherever you sleep) but are unable to move, or make a noise. When you scream it only comes out as a mumble. There also seems to be some sort of malignant presence in the room just out of eyeshot that is going to try to suffocate you, or in the rare instance that it is suffocating you, it turns out to be an old woman, or a black shape. I had these dreams constantly on bupe.