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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

very true.

And the sad fact is the most harmful legal high out there, alcohol, will be exempted and still be sold dirt cheap in every cornershop, causing misery and ruination to people and families in communities around the country.

The UK is always banging on about showing leadership on the world stage, yet what we are seeing today with this legislation is embarassing, pathetic, regressive and shames this country in terms of progressive approaches to tackling the problems of drug abuse.

You are totally right that there will always be a section of the populace of any country that will experiment with drugs and take drugs legal or otherwise, we should recognise this and develop ways to educate people how to be safe and reduce the damage that is done to so many vulnerable people.

I haven't felt this angry towards the government since tony blair decided to invade iraq.
 
When you think about the revenue this country would make if they legalized certain things it's ridiculous. The income from tax, the money saved on policing and the NHS. Guidelines to keep people safe and make them more aware. Ensuring what was legalized was pure and not cut with dangerous chemicals. It just makes sense, hence why this government will never legalize anything.

Legalizing anything would make them look like the failures they are with their war on drugs. Just my two cents on the subject anyway.

Carry on.
 
Yep western governments have a huge problem about needing to save face when they screw shit up, this is why the war in syria is going on and on, the UK and USA cannot ever admit to being wrong and I bloody hate the superiority complex.

Drugs are always going to be around, and I believe it is essential to give kids, adolescents, honest, realistic, impartial advice and education on what drugs do, how they work, how they can be harmful, how they can suck you into addiction and ruin your life - without being patronising or totally detached from reality - compulsory part of the curriculum in secondary schools and delivered as part of a cohesive plan formed around evidence based science and real life cases.

Not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
 
Indeed! Even with out legalization honest and realistic education in schools should be essential. We all know people are always going to take drugs. Why not minimize the risk to people by properly educating them? I would say, where's the harm in that, but that would, again, make them look bad after all the bullshit they've shoving down peoples throats all these years.

Oh no, you mean all drugs aren't bad?? MIND FUCKING BLOWN! The government is run by asshats. No way to sugar coat that one.
 
mdb:I've yet to hear Corbyn's views on the subject, I imagine they would be anti-the current status, but due to the nature of the "commentariat" he's probably going to be extremely wary about voicing his opinions due to the all too predictable and highly damaging lampooning he would get from the conservative press. He probably doesnt want to commit political suicide just yet. That leaves just the Green party, with their one MP, the only party to adopt a common sense approach to the issue, but there's more chance of Elvis Presley winning the lottery than the UK Green Party ever being in a position to implement their policies.
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He answered a question about cannabis in the hustings (one of the channel 4 ones i think (or maybe the lbc one)) - he was fairly careful, but he sounded generally positive to decriminalisation/legalisation; said something about there should be a royal commision if i recall. Cannabis in in the region of some sort of tipping point it seems to me - with the financial example coming from america (and hopefully that new canadian governemnt doing what they said on top) it's only a matter of time. Getting to the point when use of such beautiful things as mxe and 1plsd can be accepted by 'society' in the same way seems as remote as ever though.
 
The reality we are up against is, they would rather we die than get high.

The only way I can see any kind of legalisation as likely to happen would be as one of an utterly unreelectable outgoing government's Scorched Earth Measures, and even then it would require the co-operation of the House of Lords. A slightly less unrealistic prospect might be a sort of shaky, de facto decriminalisation by dint of the police refusing to arrest anyone for petty possession offences (small quantities of hash / weed, one or two pills).
 
JohnnyVodka said:
The 'cake' MP has been put in charge of scrutinising the psychoactive bill.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...to-scrutinising-drugs-policy#comment-62013468
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Ah for fucks sake! More evidence that this is rigged. Jesus to put some prick with no knowledge in charge of something so important is gross negligence.

(great episode of Brass eye btw).


Jesus!

BecomingJulie said:
The reality we are up against is, they would rather we die than get high.

The only way I can see any kind of legalisation as likely to happen would be as one of an utterly unreelectable outgoing government's Scorched Earth Measures, and even then it would require the co-operation of the House of Lords. A slightly less unrealistic prospect might be a sort of shaky, de facto decriminalisation by dint of the police refusing to arrest anyone for petty possession offences (small quantities of hash / weed, one or two pills).
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Nail head hit!

JohnnyVodka said:
The 'cake' MP has been put in charge of scrutinising the psychoactive bill.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...to-scrutinising-drugs-policy#comment-62013468
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I wonder when people start to die because of this legislation because they ignored the ADMD and put someone obviously neither qualified nor competent enough to oversee it would that leave the British government open for legal action - if it can be proved that their mismanagement and refusal to listen to the experts contributed to the deaths?
 
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nuube said:
I wonder when people start to die because of this legislation because they ignored the ADMD and put someone obviously neither qualified nor competent enough to oversee it would that leave the British government open for legal action - if it can be proved that their mismanagement and refusal to listen to the experts contributed to the deaths?
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I doubt it. As far as the tabloid press are concerned, these people were the architects of their own misfortune, by messing about with dangerous drugs. The idea that they most probably were driven to do so for want of access to less-dangerous drugs will never be heard mentioned out loud.
 
people take drugs for all sorts of reasons, often because they have underlying mental health or life issues, and frequently with no real idea of what they are taking and how it works int he body. They are not to blame atall and should be given proper help not demonised in the press by the moral puritan brigade.

Alcohol is the most dangerous legal high in britain, yet no moral outrage over it. The policy is totally disconnected from reality and as julie points out, the government would rather people die and have no concern for anyones safety. You can see this pathological disrespect for the general public in most of their flagship policies (tax credits, benefits cuts, destroying the NHS, bombing countries, t he list goes on)
 
BecomingJulie said:
I doubt it. As far as the tabloid press are concerned, these people were the architects of their own misfortune, by messing about with dangerous drugs. The idea that they most probably were driven to do so for want of access to less-dangerous drugs will never be heard mentioned out loud.
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I get the 'Scum' and 'Daily Fail' will demonise these people, but in a court of law would there be any chance of showing by wilfully neglecting all evidence to the contrary, and by putting in an overseer who has their own agenda and lack of expertise could they be leaving themselves vulnerable to being sued.

If I built a house with any prior experience to help alleviate the homeless situation and got my wife to do the safety checks again someone with no experience and a family move in and the building collapses one night killing half the family I would be held responsible despite the fact that I built the house to home a homeless family. Surely the government are responsible for ensuring more people come to harm.

As Ceres said many people with mental health problems often self medicate through these substances, (I used liberty cap mushrooms to help me get over a traumatic life event I was stuck in - worked great btw, 9 months suffering and one night to cure it!), the mental health professionals know this so the government has access to this information so they are damning these people!

I said it before and I'll say it again:


CUNTS!
 
What's wrong with our folks?
Strong and solid as hundred-year oaks
So firm in their ways that they think we are jokes
They just don't know why

What's wrong in their head?
Won't they just try to see it once our way instead
If they did then there would not be any young dead
No reason to cry
What's wrong?

Won't you tell me
What is wrong in your heart?
Do you feel that soon mankind and reason will part?
As each day it worsens you feel we will start
On that anxiously dark, endless journey

What's wrong with this top?
As it spins each year gives us a worsening crop
Of hatred that one day will cause it to stop
A lesson we all should be learning
What's wrong?
 
nuube said:
If I built a house with any prior experience to help alleviate the homeless situation and got my wife to do the safety checks again someone with no experience and a family move in and the building collapses one night killing half the family I would be held responsible despite the fact that I built the house to home a homeless family. Surely the government are responsible for ensuring more people come to harm.
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The important word being "people". The gutter press have created a culture which views drug users as less than fully human, and therefore less than fully deserving of human dignity.
 
BecomingJulie said:
The important word being "people". The gutter press have created a culture which views drug users as less than fully human, and therefore less than fully deserving of human dignity.
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Julian Buchanan has done great work identifying the impact of stigmatization of people citing drug use as causing people to be stigmatised and has identified numerous negative impacts from it.

On the plus side it goes to show how little the Tories care about their electorate and sorry for this but I do hope every fuck-wit that has voted for them experiences the negative impact of their policies, (there is no way there is enough rich people to have voted them into power).

Every nation gets the government it deserves.Joseph de Maistre
 
nuube said:
On the plus side it goes to show how little the Tories care about their electorate and sorry for this but I do hope every fuck-wit that has voted for them experiences the negative impact of their policies, (there is no way there is enough rich people to have voted them into power).

Every nation gets the government it deserves.Joseph de Maistre
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Yep, like that woman who cried and yelled on Question Time about tax credits being removed. Followed by loads of Tories writing to newspapers saying how ashamed they were after seeing it to be Tory voters.

Well fuck you. It's your fault. Bit late now to realise the Tory front bench has no morals. They've just found a different way to fuck your children.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Yep, like that woman who cried and yelled on Question Time about tax credits being removed. Followed by loads of Tories writing to newspapers saying how ashamed they were after seeing it to be Tory voters.

Well fuck you. It's your fault. Bit late now to realise the Tory front bench has no morals. They've just found a different way to fuck your children.
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I felt little sympathy for her, its like getting Gary Glitter to baby sit your children - you know what he is going to do the second you give him the opportunity why act so surprised when he does it? People like her have damned the rest of us :(
 
many people have either forgotten thatcher government or were living in a bubble protected from the worst of it. A lot are just too young to remember and they beleive all the propaganda from the tories.

Maybe britain needs this shock treatment to get people off their complacent arses and get their priorities sorted out. Heads in stuck in the sand while rome burns.

This country is going to be one fucking miserable place to live for an awful lot of people if these fuckers get their way.
 
Ram raiding will start again we are back to '91-'92. Prepare for knock off Naff-Naff jackets and a massive increase in soap bar, with or without plastic bag inserts.
 
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