3,4-dichloro-methylphenidate (3,4-CTMP / 3,4-DCMP)

[Kilfer]

Hasn't he ordered 3,4-DCMP instead of 2-DPMP (desoxypipradrol) though?

Assuming that the "he" you are referring to is skamariapastoria, he stated that he was using 3,4-CTMP, not 2-DPMP... thank God. The latter is the worst stim I have ever had the misfortune of experimenting with back when it was a novelty stim and not yet properly documented. I believe I posted several rather irate diatribes about it. I was looking for an intermediate-acting MPH congener in my quest for a functional stim that would last longer than MPH/EPH with less edginess and smoother comedown... instead what I got was 72 hours combining almost all of the negative effects of stims without any of the benefits: no rush, no euphoria, no mood lift, or rather the initial lame amount of mood lift I obtained was quickly negated by a plethora of negative aspects that can only be killed with a combo of a high-potency benzo of the hypnotic class (temazepam 60mg) and the dopamine-terminating sledgehammer olanzapine at 40mg, a massive dose. Did the job of ending my misery in less than an hour but sheesh! what an ordeal.

When 3,4-CTMP popped up I looked at it more closely and decided it was worth a try although I knew taking it on its own would likely not yield a smooth ride. It's still a methylphenidate offshoot after all (much more so than desoxy), and would certainly carry the same jittery comedown as MPH, so I had my temmies and my olanzapine ready. Contrary to popular belief you can get euphoria from 3,4-CTMP but it requires 20mg oral and a 60-to-90 minutes wait for onset. It's a clean euphoria, like EPH but less jittery, it's a brain rush lasting 10-20 minutes followed by a few hours of intense focus. Then the less desirable aspects take over in the form of residual peripheral stimulation causing vasoconstriction, mental fatigue, jitters, mild paranoia, and the like. That's when you need your benzos. Temazepam is my first choice because it has quick-onset and last long enough to keep jitters at bay for 6 hours, after which they don't come back. Gives you time to fall asleep (if sleep is what you want take a 5mg olanzapine tablet along with the benzos, or 10mg if your system is accustomed to this drug) or pursue other activities if you are so inclined. Note that all benzos are vasodilators in their own right since they are weak yet efficient adenosine reuptake inhibitors, and the quick-onset ones do this very quickly, relief occurs within 15 minutes with temazepam on an empty stomach.... which yours will likely be since 3,4-CTMP is a potent anorectic.

 

[Kilfer]

I needed to comment on this thread, my feelings are similar to those quoted above. My first experience with this chemical (2-3mg taken 10 hours ago, between 1/4 and 1/3rd of a yellowish brownish speckled, thick but small compressed pill that kind of crumbled apart) was excellent. I have taken Adderal (10-20mg per day, instant release), and was looking for a functional stimulant. Basically as of right now this drug seems perfect and seems to me to have huge potential; absolutely stable stimulation (except when I needed to eat, which a dip in my productive stability indicated to me), no jitters or feelings of being tweaked out at all, able to function completely normally and interact socially more attentively and naturally then I am usually. Currently, 10 hours after ingestion, I feel a bit less stimulated than earlier, though I have no feelings of "coming down". I don't expect to have trouble sleeping.

A small dose is indeed reputed to procure functional stimulation for 6 to 8 hours without significant adverse effects. As such it would seem that perhaps ADHD patients could greatly benefit from it.

So, first of all 10mg seems to me a huge dose. Second, this drug is not "fun", nor does it give a satisfying rush.

It can give a rush and some euphoria but at doses that would induce the side effects I mentioned in my previous post. "Fun" always comes at a price. Also tolerance develops quickly, as with all MPH congeners.

If it wasn't for potential neurotoxicity I would be seeing how sustainable it is to take this 4-5 days a week. Is there any updated information on this?

For the biochemically inclined, this link provides a decent amount of data about 3,4-CTMP and closely related chemicals used in a comparative study of cocaine vs methylphenidate analogs. That's probably where the authors of the (rather succinct) Wikipedia article on 3,4-CTMP obtained the "8x times stronger than cocaine" figure but that's a worthless figure without the proper context, which the study provides. Note: basic biochemistry notions will come in handy but are not absolutely required to get the gist of it. Or you could just read the abstract and conclusion. Also worthy of mention is the wealth of references to works by contributing scientists provided at the side of the bottom page.

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/301/2/527.full.pdf

 

[Kilfer]

a bit like being given diamorphine amps and drinking them.

Lol, tried that with lowly morphine ampule "borrowed" from my father's home office 36 years ago (I was only 15 so didn't know any better) and no matter how I tried to convince myself I was feeling some sort of buzz it miserably failed to materialize. What a waste or resources. Years later I confessed this to Dad and he grinned "do you also swallow suppositories?" Smartass

Sorry FG but this has been bugging the living shit out of me all day. Obviously drugs affect people differently and YMMV and all that... but MDPV does not produce withdrawals. Does produce comedowns and rebound effects for a few days after an extended binge but even the really, really extended binges - weeks and months going through gramme after gramme after gramme using every ROA possible don't bring about any withdrawal symptoms. Not a single one. Ever.

It is my understanding that no stimulant, cocaine and meth included, produce any physical withdrawal in the strictest sense, unlike alcohol, barbiturates, opiates/opiods and benzos can do. However I notice that toxicologists opt to not consider some of the consequences of long-term or acute stimulant abuse leading to brain damage as "physical", something I have some difficulty with but heck, I'm no specialist and I guess that those whose job it is to make a distinction between wd's and long-term damage that starts off as wd-like symptoms but last longer than "X" period of time have their reasons for drawing that line. I hope it's not based on some HMO-sponsored guideline tho.

Cravings, yes. Intense ones. Psychosis too of course. All the things it's known and loved for.

Do you mean psychosis while using, or as resulting from cessation? The latter can occur albeit not frequently reported, and as such could considered a wd symptom I s'ppose. I don't mean to nit-pick your comments, just wondering if the medical consensus regarding the absence of physical addiction to stimulants is entirely based on proven fact, or at least based on the usual long-term case study observation period required to substantiate a plausible tenet or is just that, a consensus which implies that a group of qualified specialists agree to a compromise, pending proper (ie scientifically demonstrable) validation. My (admittedly cursory) research yields differing views so I guess that the science is still not there.

Now personally I have been using stims on a regular basis (weekly, occasionally daily) for 34 years (I am 51) mainly as mental and social performance enhancers. Sexual booster occasionally, beats ED drugs when the proper stim is used *moderately*. I can't say that I ever experienced any physical issues that could be branded as wd symptoms on the many occasions where I cold-turkeyed for periods of time ranging from a month to two years (Navy stint). I always stuck with clean functional stims save for a brief flirt with coke that ended as soon as I realized that the stuff enhances nothing but one's obsession with securing more. Instant personality disorder was not my idea of enhancing performance.

I was gonna let it slide but actually that's misinformation and this is a HR site so I'm not. You bought some desoxy cos you want to keep taking stims - and ideally really potent ones with dicey reputations. That's fine. Well not really but in the sense that it's your life and you can do with it as you please. Don't use your personal justifications to start innacurate myths and rumours that could fuck with other people though. If anybody sees that post and takes it at face value that's another person gonna think they need to take a far nastier, far more potent, far more long acting stimulant that is even more notrious than MDPV itself for causing acute psychosis given that a few mg provide strong stimulation for 72h or so. And it's fiendish as fuck despite being dull as fuck and really quite unpleasant. That's also fine - each to their own - but that post is misleading at best and potentially downright dangerous.

Can't agree more that desoxy sucks hog manure. Intermediate-lasting working stims are good, long-lasting dirty stim is, like, what the fuck was the designer thinking, unless he/she was targeting long-time dirty stim abusers lacking the capacity to tell that dirty+long-lasting is the straightest highway to Hell. Having to ingest inordinate amounts of downers to ward off a stim's unpleasant effects usually occurs when one overindulges on an otherwise less iffy stim or tries a new substance without researching it first and it doesn't agree with him/her. Happens to me on occasion, like with HDVP. But doing it repeatedly is perhaps an indication that the stim's effects are not what the user is seeking but is rather after the intense feeling of relief when that sweet feeling of relief a benzo procures when it abruptly kills those dreaded peripheral side effects, it's sooo soothing. I may be reaching, but it's a possible explanation if we theorize that the reward sought resides not in the stimulant, but in the relief of anxiety procured by benzos. Just another theory though.

Motivations behind seemingly bizarre rituals are rarely clear and who am I to to pass judgement on this one. FG has reasons that make sense to him. However HR considerations called for the remark about the seriousness of the threat to one's health and sanity, it would have been irresponsible not to make mention of that fact.

Just a thought, but if you really are getting actual w/d symptoms has it crossed your mind that claiming to also be taking several hundred assorted benzos over the last couple of months (and all the other hundreds in the months before that) may have anything to do with it? Just a thought that may be worth investigating.

Same thought crossed my mind as well. Like you I don't think FG is willfully promoting unhealthy behavior as he may not realize all sorts of people may come across this and get the wrong idea. His post was worth analyzing for the sake of clarification and exposing the risks involved to those unfamiliar with the substances involved. To tall the truth I thought he was trolling when I first read his post, considering the massive amount of downers but felt I couldn't just brush it off because some people actually do stuff like that.

FG you should at least consider switching stims. This thread's topic is 3,4-CTMP which is a far better, cleaner alternative to desoxy. Might be worth your while and you'd save bundles on downers

 

[immad]

What is so bad about desoxy though? It does not pump you up physically, but I consider that an advantage. The only major disadvantage is that it just last for ages, but a desoxy-like stimulant with a half life of lets say, 3 hours would be quite good imo. I really don't get how you can call desoxy dirty, aside from just becoming cracked out after being up for too long. It's the smoothest stimulant I've ever used.

 

[KINGCRIMSON]

ive been looking for 5 hrs for solubility info

 

[kingme]

Awesome hr info in there... /sarcasm.

Dude, stop calling preventive and careful people pussies. You re free to do what you want of course but encouraging dangerous behaviour is not cool.

I can feel this chemical at 1 mg doses and am pretty sure 30mg would take me to the hospital if not worse. There are many factors determining ones dose so who knows if something works for you then fine. But namecalling people to find out info isnt going to work...
speak your mind. But take some responsobility, think what other can learn from your post... which so far amounts to take risks and give up all caution.

Please people be careful and DONT TAKE RISKS.

 

[lurching]

I've been reading this thread forever and its told me nothing informative at all. What is it soluble in ? I already figured out I need a high dose, 5 mg would be like throwing a rock at a train, no effects at all. I need at least 30 mg oral. I've no problems with re-dosing, I've re-dosed like 5 times and im fine. Its very long lasting, calming but powerful, euphoric, functional, It's like slow release cocaine. Yes I'm having trouble sleeping. But I also spent 4 hours typing without doing a single other thing, not another thing the whole time. I typed for 4 hours straight ! Now that's focused. I know for a fact that a couple of clonidine or zopiclone would put me out np. I've been on every adhd med there is for like 30 years. And this is by far the most effective ADHD med I've ever encountered ! I have combined type ADHD with dyscalculus and dyslexia with sever short term memory issues with impulsivity and inattentiveness off the chart. A year ago I was on 170 mg of ritalin a day ! 450 mg of Bupropion a day ! But that is nothing compared to this. I could replace all of that with 30 mg of this a day. All I want to know is if I can oral 30 - 50 mg then why cant I bang 5 mg ? Why cant anyone answer what its solubility is ? A good friend of mine female and much smaller than me took her first dose today and we eye balled about 30 mg. She took it and loved it. You amateurs are crying about stupid ppl who might die from 10 mg dose cause its 7x more powerful than ritalin. I used to take 6 20 mg sr's a day and 4 or 5 10 mg ir Ritalin a day. I'm pretty damn sure 2 mg wouldn't get a f*&$ing cat high. So I'm whacking 3 mg in water. I'll let you pussies and armchair intellectual masturbating druggies know what's what. You cant sit around and talk all day about drugs, you have to use them. They are experiential, and yea you might die, but that's part of the experience. I'm 47 and I've been doing this since I was 13. First time I did drugs I ate 3 sandwich bags full of magic mushrooms (liberty caps) when I was 12. There's being safe then there is just being afraid to let go. How can you ppl say you have a firm grip on reality when you are to afraid to ever let go without a harness and a para shoot and an ambulance waiting. There has to be risk and fear and danger when you step into the unknown. Drugs are supposed to hurtle us into the unknown, I want my reality ripped away, I want to be fundamentally unsafe and terrified because that is the reality of life. There is no security, no safety, and you will die. And when the time comes all the accurate weights and measurements and yammering on for hours about safe doses and molecular structures will not save you. TAKE A F***ING RISK ! Thats why we do drugs its all a big gamble. But you ppl don't take any risks you just talk and answer nothing and shore up all ur bets and make sure all ur "experiences" are safe ? like children at an arranged play date with security guards. Anyway I have a bad habit of speaking my mind. I hope u don't ban me.

haiku summary for those who are short on time:

weights nor measurements
47 now, doing this since 13
it's all a big gamble

 

[ScotchMist]

Taking drugs isn't about playing Russian roulette every time you take them. Sure there's an inherent danger with drugs however, the point of them is to enjoy the feeling, change in perception and escaping, not to risk it all to add am element of danger to further the buzz..

Nobody here is being a pussy, they're aiming to get the most from their DOC in the best way so as to avoid having a bad experience, a trip to the hospital or at worst the morgue.

Taking drugs in itself is risk enough, adding to any danger is just plain stupid. 8(

 

[foolsgold]

I've been reading this thread forever and its told me nothing informative at all. What is it soluble in ? I already figured out I need a high dose, 5 mg would be like throwing a rock at a train, no effects at all. I need at least 30 mg oral. I've no problems with re-dosing, I've re-dosed like 5 times and im fine. Its very long lasting, calming but powerful, euphoric, functional, It's like slow release cocaine. Yes I'm having trouble sleeping. But I also spent 4 hours typing without doing a single other thing, not another thing the whole time. I typed for 4 hours straight ! Now that's focused. I know for a fact that a couple of clonidine or zopiclone would put me out np. I've been on every adhd med there is for like 30 years. And this is by far the most effective ADHD med I've ever encountered ! I have combined type ADHD with dyscalculus and dyslexia with sever short term memory issues with impulsivity and inattentiveness off the chart. A year ago I was on 170 mg of ritalin a day ! 450 mg of Bupropion a day ! But that is nothing compared to this. I could replace all of that with 30 mg of this a day. All I want to know is if I can oral 30 - 50 mg then why cant I bang 5 mg ? Why cant anyone answer what its solubility is ? A good friend of mine female and much smaller than me took her first dose today and we eye balled about 30 mg. She took it and loved it. You amateurs are crying about stupid ppl who might die from 10 mg dose cause its 7x more powerful than ritalin. I used to take 6 20 mg sr's a day and 4 or 5 10 mg ir Ritalin a day. I'm pretty damn sure 2 mg wouldn't get a f*&$ing cat high. So I'm whacking 3 mg in water. I'll let you pussies and armchair intellectual masturbating druggies know what's what. You cant sit around and talk all day about drugs, you have to use them. They are experiential, and yea you might die, but that's part of the experience. I'm 47 and I've been doing this since I was 13. First time I did drugs I ate 3 sandwich bags full of magic mushrooms (liberty caps) when I was 12. There's being safe then there is just being afraid to let go. How can you ppl say you have a firm grip on reality when you are to afraid to ever let go without a harness and a para shoot and an ambulance waiting. There has to be risk and fear and danger when you step into the unknown. Drugs are supposed to hurtle us into the unknown, I want my reality ripped away, I want to be fundamentally unsafe and terrified because that is the reality of life. There is no security, no safety, and you will die. And when the time comes all the accurate weights and measurements and yammering on for hours about safe doses and molecular structures will not save you. TAKE A F***ING RISK ! Thats why we do drugs its all a big gamble. But you ppl don't take any risks you just talk and answer nothing and shore up all ur bets and make sure all ur "experiences" are safe ? like children at an arranged play date with security guards. Anyway I have a bad habit of speaking my mind. I hope u don't ban me.

Nothing to do with the thread but great tag I talk to the wind moon child

 

[KINGCRIMSON]

Sry peeps I was just really, really, high when I released that verbal diarrhea

 

[KINGCRIMSON]

47 year old male, 5.9 155lbs, insulin dependant diabetic 25 years, ADHD, PTSD, hypothyroidism. Prescribed: Insulin, Prozac, Ritalin both IR & SR, Wellbutrin, Synthroid, Altace, Lipitor, Aspirin, Clonidine, Clonazepam, Imovane.
Experiences with: LSD, Mushrooms, Cannabis, Cocaine (IV use), MDMA & several different Amphetamines (IV use), Ketamine (IV use), several different Opiates (IV use), Benzodiazepines, Barbiturates (minimal), Alcohol (minimal)
Experiences with 500mg Dichloromethylpenidate, methyl (2R)-2-(3,4-dichlorophenyl)-2-[(2R)-piperidin-2-yl)acetate, 3,4-CTMP HCL, CAS: 1400742-68-8 (FB) Purchased at a very reputable vendor, whom I've ordered from several times.
Very fine white powder almost identical to icing sugar.
1st dose 4:00pm – 5mg
2nd dose 5:00pm – 5 mg – No noticeable effects
3rd dose 6:00pm – 10 – 15mg No noticeable effects
7:00pm Substance has an extremely slow onset. At or about the 3rd or 4th hour I started to feel the effects very similar to coke somewhat mild, but unmistakable. Also felt anticipation of further onset of the drug IE I knew it was going to be an interesting trip. It was so slow that it was barely noticeable but then you would clue into the fact that you were doing all kinds of crap you would normally do on ritalin and that you felt like you were on coke. But by the time of full onset you feel awesome.
The 1st and foremost thing I experienced was extreme focus. I sat and typed for about 4 hours without moving a muscle, by the time I moved out of that position I could barely get my limbs to move and it hurt !
The 2nd most prominent effect was not using other substance and not even having the desire to use any other drug. I am a chronic pot smoker and poly drug user. So ive constantly got pot on the go and 1 or 2 other various drugs on the go simultaneously. Well this behavior abruptly ended when this drug took effect and I stopped doing this for the duration while I was under the influence of this drug.
3rd was my appreciation for music. It was almost orgasmic to lay back eyes closed and listen. Just awesome !
4th Time warping, you could go to work on an assembly line putting 2 pieces of what ever together for 12 hours and it would feel like 45min. I literally lost my perception of time passage. If I were to stop and think about it I would be able to guesstimate fairly accurately how much time went by, but it would blow my mind when I did. It was incredible how fast time went by.

5th competence and confidence I was able to carry out any task from fixing the computer to dealing with several complicated tasks or engaging in intellectual discussions to meditation, anything. And I knew or believed I could.
I was awake all that day and all the next day until the morning of the 3rd day and I am almost positive the 20 – 25mg I did kept me awake that long. I would say the 1st initial dose lasted 16 – 20 hours !
On the 3rd day I got some prescriptions for methylphenidate delivered so I was interested in that and gave a friend a bit of the dichloromethylphenidate who is extremely experienced. I explained what it was, what it does, recommended dose, my dose, how powerful it was, ect, ect. So he decides to IV it. So he did and was fine, he loved it, he got high as kite and said there were virtually no negative effects. He didn't get a huge rush but rather a gentle but powerful rise. It was smooth and clean and he said he could tell it was very pure. He is 6”tall and about 200lbs 39 years old. Long term opiate abuser on methadone.
So I gave it a go to and it was one of the best substances I've ever IV. It was almost identical to coke but really pure coke and it was much smoother than coke too, you kind of just slid up and it lasted forever and didn't have a “crash” you just slid back down. All of the effects I mentioned above were just magnified.
Another friend came over. A very experienced drug user. Female, 5’7, 130 lbs, 47 years old. Did every drug under the sun ! So she gave it a go to and surprise, surprise just loved it. When I described it as slow release coke she said I was dead on. Her and I did the majority of it over a few days.
I didn’t IV too much it was really keeping me awake and I also discovered it was great sublingual, it hit really hard and fast if you just put some on your tongue. She continued to bang it.
The 1st guy that IV was still awake the next day from the previous days couple of doses, not a fan of insomnia and rather downers mostly. He was taking shit to knock himself out to no avail. I have an extreme tolerance to insomnia I can do a week awake on my head. The girlfriend wasn't sleeping either but didn’t care. She used the majority of it and just loved it.
In the end I stayed up for 6 days and there was no coming down unless I stopped it altogether. I was also taking 2 other kinds of methylphenidate and bupropion.
So you can IV use it. Oral is very effective roa. Snorting is not very good at all. The only real serious negative effects from re-dosing or large dosages were insomnia. There seems to be little chance of overdosing, the dose increases and doses we were doing were very substantial compared to the generally accepted “normal” dose of 2 – 5mg but we all involved have very high tolerance. Negative effects do not increase with dose and the comedown doesn't get worse with dose increases. If you can’t handle insomnia then don’t re-dose.
After about a week I did a small dose one day at about 4:00pm. I was extremely high all that night and at about 4:00am I took 2 - 0.2mg clonidine and 2 gravol which had obliterated me the previous night had absolutely no effect. This is the most powerful insomnia causing drugs I've ever seen. It also keeps you awake while making you not realize the amount of time going by and you don’t feel the effects of the insomnia nor do you feel the jagged nerves or shakes or paranoia usually characterized by most amphetamines. It’s very deceptive and attractive. I don’t recommend this substance unless you are a true speed freak or have an illness needing stimulant treatment.

 

[De3eD]

So, after the worst come down of my life off eph and with nothing to knock me out on hand, alas, I needed to work the next/present day despite getting zero sleep.

The night before was spent going for a walk through a park and general shenanigans with my bud while on eph and 2-meo-diphenidine. About 120mg and 200mg total respectively.

Come bed time, I didn't expect to get to sleep until about 6 hours after my last bump of eph. However, my brain didn't want to do anything more than lay in the darkness with my eyes open whilst thinking of all the negative things I had done in my life. I couldn't read, watch videos, go outside, nothing. My brain pushed me away from doing anything productive or even slightly mentally stimulating. I don't know if anyone can relate to that feeling, buts its the worst. At least after a weekend up on meth I could rub one out for 12 hours and forget than I was even coming down.

But anyways, this is a 3,4-ctmp thread so on with that...

Soooo, after that super fantastic time I spent laying there, fearing for the work day to come, I needed something to get me through the day. Something which wasn't that evil bullshit which was eph. So I decided to try out a 2-ish mg bomb of the 3,4-ctmp. I measured it by weighing 10mg on my scale (it's a little fucky when you go below 10mg) and splitting it into 5 parts. I took the smallest one just so I was sure I wasn't doing too much because... well the rest of the thread can tell you why you don't want to do too much.

Bomb went down about an hour and twenty minutes before work started, started feeling the initial effects in about an hour and they peaked right after I ate a big lunch (about 5 hours in... and thinking about it now, the food might have been what gave me the energy...). I could have gone without eating but my stomach has learned to tell me it's hungry despite my stimulant usage. But, all-in-all, I'm going to have to give this substance a thumbs up for doing exactly what I hoped it to do. It brought me back into a... somewhat normal mindset. I'm not the most social person to begin with, but my social skills that are needed for a work day were about on par for someone who had been up all night. I could still make the odd joke from time to time and wasn't in the usual fight or flight mode giving the circumstances. Work itself wasn't bad. As long as I had my mind focused on something, I would be able to do that task more than competently. Some slight vascoconstriction was noted but I had been that way since the previous evening. There was also some possible mild hyperthermia as I sometimes work in hot environments, but it was easy enough to deal with by drinking an ice cold glass of H2O. The effect started slooowly tapering off at about 7 hours after I took the dose and right now I am sitting at T+11 hours writing this just basically waiting for my brain to wind down enough so I can go to bed. I feel tired and as if I will be able to sleep in an hour or three and I'm hoping that's the case. I did only take 1-3 mg after all. I'll try to remember to report back after I wake for additional notes.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that I supplemented with 500mg L-tyrosine, 1000mg vitamin C, 100mg phosphatidyl serine, 150mg magnesium citrate and vitamin b6+12 before work as well. During my comedown I think I took 5-htp and some Valerian in hopes of masking the horrendous state my mind was in but to no avail. I think what made me feel the best was eating a huge meal for lunch as I hadn't eaten a proper meal since lunch the previous day.

For a final note, I'm not going to say I condone the use of this substance, especially after reading this thread, but I just wanted to give my input after finding a use for this seemingly awful substance.
The trick is: One low dose. Period.

Morning after edit: So I ended up being able to go to sleep at T+13 without and difficulty and slept for a good 12 hours. As I sit here and write this I feel completely normal. No depression and lethargy apart from my normal grogginess I have every morning especially after over sleeping. So... back to life I guess.

 

[Pb109]

I remember doing 3,4-CTMP when it was legal in the UK. When snorting extremely small doses I got an OK stimulant effect. After 2 hours it vanished and i felt after effects (we bit nervy and agitated) so I never touched again that day.

Next day I done a small dose again. Once the stimulant effect wore of I made a horrible mistake by taking more. Late that night I actually sat up in my bed, facing the wall with a massive kitchen knife listening to every sound I could (I thought I could here for miles). I was convinced someone was going to break in. The only time I actually calmed down was when daylight arrived early in the morning. I was definetly hallucinating, hearing footsteps round my house etc.

I can look back in laugh now but not at the time.

 

[Soul137]

Just gonna drop in quickly (EDIT apparently I'm still stimulated enough for "quickly" to turn into an essay. I'll put a TL;DR at the bottom) to tell a cautionary tale, cause after years of RC exploration, I had never encountered mislabeled bags until today, and I count myself lucky I didn't land in the ER.

It was supposed to be 1g of HDMP-28 and 250mg of 4-AcO-DMT, the bags were labeled as such, but falsely, and this is a vendor that has been reliable for years. It was all fun and games when the HDMP-28 turned out to be MXP (assuming that the chems on the site are the only options for mix ups). Oh well. Sadface. No new receptor slut stimulant for me; for a few weeks. "I guess I should make the most out of this shitty dissociative and add some 4-AcO-DMT, just a taste you know

Opened the bag and found shiny white rocks like tiny granules of Ketamine, sparkly, and acidic smelling. Nothing like the musky moldy tryptamine smell, and nothing like the texture either. I figured "Oh shit. I guess I at least got 250mg of HDMP-28;" but just to be safe, I weighed out 20mg and split it into 4 little toothpick lines. I did 1, waited 10 minutes, did another, waited, did another, then I just got the sense of dread that comes when succumbing to the as of yet only ominously implied effects of an unstudied substance on one's psyche. Whatever I was snorting. I knew I needed to stop. That was ~15mg, and about 15-20 minutes after the 3rd bump I was tweaking harder than I ever have in my life. I was riding very thin on the line of tweaking tits and tachycardia, doing my best to stay believe in my heart not exploding. (I should note that I am particularly sensitive to the negative aspects stimulants and therefor don't do them much). I was suddenly in way over my head, in the only class of drugs that I'm scared of how high I can get (and I'm a deliriant person).

I looked at the vendor website, and realized that the only possible culprit on their menu was 3,4-CTMP. Those 15mg were incredibly potent, and if I hadn't taken the one second to examine the powder before snorting it, I'd be in the ER right now, probably with a catheter. The fact that I'm still tweaking 8 hours later, the stim still stronger than however much goddamn Diclazepam I forgot I took, which was plenty and then some, and some beers, and some antihistamines, and lots and lots of weed.

Overall I'm glad I had this experience. An acute reminder of one's mortality is a good way of reminding us to appreciate it more. But I was lucky. Putting 3,4-CTMP in a bag marked 4-AcO-DMT could be the beginning of the next overblown BBC special on dark chemical magic you don't even want to understand. Be safe out there people.

For the record though, all considered, 3,4 CTMP was a pretty cool stimulant. Now that I know what I have, I'm intrigued enough to try it again, at a dose where I can appreciate, well anything that requires my eyes to focus. The idea of a stim that's long enough to make redosing undesirable, is attractive. At least I got to try it. I never would have bought it on purpose.

Anyway, TL;DR : Bag of very safe tryptamine turned out to be bag of very potent stimulant with notoriously unpredictable response curve. ALWAYS RETAIN SOME RATIONAL AMOUNT OF DISTRUST. Complacency could have killed me.

Fuck. Sorry that was so long. I'm really not used to being this stimulated.

 

[Pb109]

Just gonna drop in quickly (EDIT apparently I'm still stimulated enough for "quickly" to turn into an essay. I'll put a TL;DR at the bottom) to tell a cautionary tale, cause after years of RC exploration, I had never encountered mislabeled bags until today, and I count myself lucky I didn't land in the ER.

It was supposed to be 1g of HDMP-28 and 250mg of 4-AcO-DMT, the bags were labeled as such, but falsely, and this is a vendor that has been reliable for years. It was all fun and games when the HDMP-28 turned out to be MXP (assuming that the chems on the site are the only options for mix ups). Oh well. Sadface. No new receptor slut stimulant for me; for a few weeks. "I guess I should make the most out of this shitty dissociative and add some 4-AcO-DMT, just a taste you know

Opened the bag and found shiny white rocks like tiny granules of Ketamine, sparkly, and acidic smelling. Nothing like the musky moldy tryptamine smell, and nothing like the texture either. I figured "Oh shit. I guess I at least got 250mg of HDMP-28;" but just to be safe, I weighed out 20mg and split it into 4 little toothpick lines. I did 1, waited 10 minutes, did another, waited, did another, then I just got the sense of dread that comes when succumbing to the as of yet only ominously implied effects of an unstudied substance on one's psyche. Whatever I was snorting. I knew I needed to stop. That was ~15mg, and about 15-20 minutes after the 3rd bump I was tweaking harder than I ever have in my life. I was riding very thin on the line of tweaking tits and tachycardia, doing my best to stay believe in my heart not exploding. (I should note that I am particularly sensitive to the negative aspects stimulants and therefor don't do them much). I was suddenly in way over my head, in the only class of drugs that I'm scared of how high I can get (and I'm a deliriant person).

I looked at the vendor website, and realized that the only possible culprit on their menu was 3,4-CTMP. Those 15mg were incredibly potent, and if I hadn't taken the one second to examine the powder before snorting it, I'd be in the ER right now, probably with a catheter. The fact that I'm still tweaking 8 hours later, the stim still stronger than however much goddamn Diclazepam I forgot I took, which was plenty and then some, and some beers, and some antihistamines, and lots and lots of weed.

Overall I'm glad I had this experience. An acute reminder of one's mortality is a good way of reminding us to appreciate it more. But I was lucky. Putting 3,4-CTMP in a bag marked 4-AcO-DMT could be the beginning of the next overblown BBC special on dark chemical magic you don't even want to understand. Be safe out there people.

For the record though, all considered, 3,4 CTMP was a pretty cool stimulant. Now that I know what I have, I'm intrigued enough to try it again, at a dose where I can appreciate, well anything that requires my eyes to focus. The idea of a stim that's long enough to make redosing undesirable, is attractive. At least I got to try it. I never would have bought it on purpose.

Anyway, TL;DR : Bag of very safe tryptamine turned out to be bag of very potent stimulant with notoriously unpredictable response curve. ALWAYS RETAIN SOME RATIONAL AMOUNT OF DISTRUST. Complacency could have killed me.

Fuck. Sorry that was so long. I'm really not used to being this stimulated.

Glad you are ok. That could have been the end. I'm always wary of a vendor mislabelling my chemicals.

 

[Sprout]

Wow, that stands as a perfect example of why we encourage allergy testing and cautious use of any new batch of any compound.
I'm glad you're okay, and thankful that 15mg is not an excessive dose even for 3,4-CMPD.

It would not surprise me if vendors are sending out 3,4 instead of HDMP to countries where only the former is illegal, it certainly happened with other 'Phenidates post ban.