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Jeremy Corbyn: A very old fashioned breath of fresh air?

You have to be a member of the privy council to get access to intelligence reports - jeremy asked if new arrangements could be made so he didn't have to be in the council but 'officials' refused (who the fuck are these officials?). So he decided it's better to kiss the goat's hoof so he couldn't be so easily bamboozled with false flags and the like.

Isn't the important part of this story the FUCKINIG PRIVY COUNCIL STILL EXISTS - with the queen and prince charles on it, and they can bypass legislation, start wars, they're the only legislative oversight to all the crown's network of tax havens, all members are sworn to secrecy. We're not in a democracy until this medieval shit is got rid of.

While jeremy will be bound by the same secrecy oaths, he can still take the opportunity to make more people aware of the medieval fascist heart of our state

EDIT: On refugess/economic migrants: well, pick through that link i posted to prove it (i didn't ;)) - but a refugee is a refugee - if they have that status they're subject to that convention, end of (even cameron and farridge occaisonally say the same actually (they just split hairs about who actually gets the status (or where they should apply for it (as you did)))).

And i don't personally make much distinciton anyway - for me any human has a right to a decent life as well as a right not to be bombed. They were originally going to include positive economic rights into the UN human rights convention (eg right to decent income), but the US stopped it (surprise surprise). As i've said before i think reducing global inequality and redistribution is the key to migration problems (and most other problems). The 'rising tide that lifts all boats' just ended up being a flood for most people.
 
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BHM: Well i thought of putting feudal, but there's not much diference in practice really (and i'm sure i understand neither - why don't you enlighten us). I don't consider myself poor - i'm quite comfortable (though am probably poor technically). So how rich are you? And how rich do you consider yourself? (seeing as we're bringing in irrelevant personal details in lieu of arguments) (your better at this when talking astronomy ;))
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
quelle surprise, vurtuals well off

being told when on the streets roofless youre not a priority does pragmatism wonders
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Why are we talking about this again? (and are you reading my posts?). I don't really want to photograph my p60 for you, but the fact that i've got a p60 (first time in my life) means i consider myself comfortable - my wage counts as poverty in this country, but i'm quite frugal so it's enough for me - before i had the (part-time) job i'm in now i spent my whole life in the 'underclass' (lumpenprole and proud (my parents were also common scum too before you start on them - brought up in a council house (actually, one of my grans probably thought she was lower middle class (you've found me out i'm a borj-wah)) - i don't really care if you believe me, except i don't like the idea of being considered 'rich' out of class solidarity/snobbery - it also pisses me off when people assume i'm posh cos i can write right (like)

Now i could say that even the lowest amount allowed to live on in this country is still wealthy in relation to the rest of the world (when you add in all our infrastructure/public services), but that's another story. (right, now you have to give me a breakdown of how your income/class relates to your political views and we can try and work out some sort of hypocrisy quotient)

Also i think corbyn is about the most likely politician we've had recently in britain to think about prioritising actual 'british' poor people through improving housing and reducing poverty. If while trying his best to help these british poor people he also has time to spend some of our ridiculous wealth on helping refugees or acommodating immigrants (infrastructure allowing), all the better - any poor people who understood these priorities (not through dark media glass) would agree - of course we have to look after poor british people first - is there any other uk politician who even comes close to sounding like they'd do that atm?
 
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It remains to be seen whether Corbyn can achieve the seemingly impossible task of getting his party to unite behind him. As always both sides will have to compromise, i just hope he isn't forced to compromise his principles too much 'for the sake of the party'. However i remain optimistic that he wont sell out his principles, he's stuck to them for 30 years, quietly rebelling hundreds of times and refusing to toe the line to anything he disagreed with. Which other politician can say that? And why change now? I have every confidence that this quietly spoken rebel will stick to his beliefs through whatever onsloughts he may have to face down from within his own party.

The truly surprising thing about all of this is that hardly any one outside of politics had even heard of him before he was persuaded to throw his hat into the ring to 'broaden the discussion' and somehow a phenominal groundswell of public support sprang up for him. I suspect it wont be too long before there are some really stormy waters that will threaten to rip the Labour party apart. All those 'Blairites' and Mandelsons and all the other 'modernisers' can all leave the party and form their own sell out new new labour party if they arent gonna contribute anything positive to Corbyns Real Labour party, which seems to be the way things might be heading. They cant oust Corbyn as he has a huge mandate of public support behind him, which the others do not.
 
It's certainly going to be interesting, the battle between not just left and right view parties but within a single party.. He's got his work cut out I think..

I'm so glad - it took me a while to remember his name then he's that dull .... haha.. still haven't got it :D..

Milliband, that's it.. I'd nearly slip into a coma whenever he came on the box
 
I see Denis Healey has died. I bet that's raised a few eyebrows.

Let it never be forgotten that if it wasn't for the notoriously unfair union block vote (where they were given 40% of the vote in electing Labour leaders), something seen as historically undemocratic that supposedly favoured the left, Healey would never have beaten Tony Benn to the deputy leadership in 1981 and we may have had a properly united left wing party that beat and destroyed Thatcherism forever in 1983, this changing the course of history as we know it. It was the unions 40% that elected Healey.

Oh the irony eh?

Night, night Denis.
 
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I did not know that Stone, about the 40%. Ta for that, I'm going to go and have a read up on it..

In other Jeremy news, here's Murdoch sending in the big guns of political journalism, Eamonn 'the fuck wit' Holmes interviewing Jez after the Brighton party conference. I can't decide if they had Eamonn do it so Jeremy wasn't given a decent interview, therefore a decent platform or it was an attempt to wind up Jeremy with inane questions so he'd call Eamonn the fuck wit that he is on TV...

Either way, Jeremy - 1 / SkyNews - 0
 
Oh fuck, Labour is losing them in droves. Look.

Norman Reginald Warner, Baron Warner, PC, has no longer said he can support the Labour Party. Not sure when his exact date of betrayal started because In April 2013, Lord Warner announced he would vote with the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in a key vote in the House of Lords on proposed NHS regulations that Labour claimed would enable companies to bid for almost all health services. He was the only Labour peer to do so

and

In March 2014, Warner wrote an article for The Guardian newspaper suggesting that NHS users should pay £10 a month and £20 for every night in hospital.[15][16] Labour swiftly rejected these ideas. Shadow Health Minister, Jamie Reed, commented: "This is not something Labour would ever consider. We believe in an NHS free at the point of use, and a Labour government will repeal David Cameron's NHS changes that put private profit before patient care."

Further..Lord Warner is a director of Sage Advice Ltd, and an adviser to Xansa (a technology firm) and Byotrol (an antimicrobial company) - all of which sell or are hoping to sell services or products to the NHS, according to website Social Investigations.[18] He also took up a position with Apax Partners – one of the leading private equity investors in healthcare, according to the Alliance for Lobbying Transparency

Just saying like. Tragic loss to the working class.

Oh. The second one.

Lord Grabiner has become the second peer in recent days to resign the Labour whip in the Lords.

A spokesman also said Lord Grabiner had not voted in the Lords since 2013.

Another terrible loss.

In the meantime 10000's of ordinary working class people have signed up since Corbyns victory. Their importance is apparently lessened by their insistence on using car boot sales and giving money to invading 'coloured' people from Syria and the like. At least we think they are coloured, its so hard to tell these days isn't it?
 
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