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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Why shouldn't I plug Lorazepam?

FWIW, I have never used Lorazepam before, so started with 1.5mg. Crushed it (by folding in a piece of paper and crushing with back of a spoon), dissolved it into warm water (about 1/4 of a previously emptied Fleets Enema) and plugged it. After half an hour, noticing no effect at all. So it's either the low dose or the water.
 
Looks like Lorazepam isn't water soluble, and needs to be dissolved in ethanol (vodka for instance) along with water (to buffer the effects of the vodka).

So I tried again just now: 1 oz vodka in an empty fleets enema bottle. Crushed 1mg Ativan/Lorazepam in a folded paper, then tipped it in to fully dissolve. Added a second 1oz of hot tap water to buffer the vodka. [added dab of lube/lotion to the enema tip so it wouldn't stick]

Up it goes. After 30s, no longer felt the need to defecate (this was just 2oz of liquid, so it's not much, and there's no saline laxative effect since it's just the water and vodka). With this small amount of vodka (1 oz), I'm feeling a pleasant but very mild effect within 2 mins. Hardly anything at all (normally I'd need to use 2-3x the vodka to get really high this way, but would also need 2x the water, so more retention problems).

After 17 mins, not really feeling the effects of the Lorazepam (which was just 1mg, on top of the 1.5 I previously plugged with just water an hour ago: it's conceivable that the alcohol might help the previous dose absorb if it's still hanging around the bottom of the colon). Maybe a bit lightheaded, but nothing much. Still, it's a total of 2.5mg.
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Ok, waited 20 more mins to make sure. Nice easy feeling, but it feels mostly like the vodka (and I can sense it faintly on my breath). A tiny bit of stomach cramp, so I don't think I'll plug more vodka just now.

Went for another 2mg Lorazepam dissolving under the tongue, which took a few mins to dissolve. From what I've read I should feel that in 20 mins or so. If it's not enough, then I'll probably plug another ounce of vodka.

Hey, it's for science! actually, hard to tell how much of the now 4.5 mg of Ativan/Lorazepam is really in my system. But I figure I should feel something even if the true effect is really only 3 and a bit. plus of course the amplification of the vodka.

Meanwhile, time to go grab some snacks and prepare to play a video game unless sleep overtakes me suddenly and i fall into a deep coma.
 
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Followup: 30m after the sublingual 2mg Ativan (atop the 2.5 I'd plugged earlier with some vodka) and it's a nice floating feeling. Nothing extreme, and nothing visual. I feel as though I could safely drive a car.

In an attempt to feel as though I could NOT safely drive a car, I've made a nice mixed drink with whiskey and assorted liquors, and am sipping that slowly. I've read that slow 'n' steady is the key here. Too much and you black out.

Of course, I've also got a bad cold and I'm on OTC meds for that, with a bit of dizziness to start with. So who the hell knows what's going on at this point. I'm just taking it a step at a time and trying to have an enjoyable evening at home. So rarely happens that the place is quiet.

Maybe if this doesn't all end in ruin I'll close out with some porn and perhaps more light butt-chugging, and do some freaky shit i wouldn't normally do.

Well, I can tell one aspect of the stuff i'm on right now: more free with my words. Still no trouble spelling or putting them together in the right order. and of course some of my grammar and punctuation choices are affectation and not unintentional mistakes.

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OK, Sipped a strong whiskey (about 1/2 of a whiskey glass) over the course of 15 delightful minutes. It's now been 20+ since I took the third dose of 2mg Ativan/Lorazepam. So far feeling delightful, but no hallucinations, blackouts or heavy effects. I'm quite sure I could fake my way through a phone call, though I'm 'floaty' enough that I wouldn't drive.


SUMMARY: butt-chugging / plugging seemed like a waste of the Ativan/Lorazepam, no matter how I did it. [Plugging 1-2 ounces of vodka with 1-2 ounces of hot water is a nice way to start the afternoon though]

Ativan under the tongue in whatever dose (let's call it 3mg) is nice. Based on that, I'd say I could have had double that dose for a stronger effect (though I'm sensitive about using up the pills, so I'm not likely to do that anytime soon).

And adding a moderate amount of sipped whiskey (stronger than a beer) over the course of a few minutes hasn't hurt a bit. I'm nowhere near f'd up.

So that's the only drawback I can see.
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UPDATE: It's been about 2 hours since my adventure began, and about 45 mins since the whiskey and ativan. Feeling very floaty in a nice, sleepy way. I could probably take a nap now, which would be quite welcome. Eyes are focusing okay with effort--basically the same effect as when I drink 2+ strong cocktails.
Sleepiness is similar too, so I honestly think that whiskey or vodka would get me to this same point (though those will certainly not let me get a good night's sleep.

So let's add a new experiment: Found some old Klonopin. I'll take that conventionally and sublingual it with a small amount of whiskey (because that'll make it absorb faster). We'll see what that does.


Hmm, the 50mg Klonopin, washed when with some whiskey, didn't knock my socks off. Though I'm seeing some affect on my typing skills now. I waited 30 mins and took a second 50mg Klonopin. Now I think I'll go butt-chug some more vodka and water and call it a night. If I can stay out of the coma, should be interesting. If not, so be it. Had a great week.

--update: no ill effects, but i slipped off to sleep without realizing it, and slept 6 hours. Then woke up, got ready for bed, and slept another 10 hours. 16 hours of sleep!!! It was amazing, and my cold is much better for it. I think I'll do the same again this afternoon. It's worth it if I can sleep away the illness, though some of these drugs give increased chance of pneumonia (which is not a fun disease).


LESSONS LEARNED (so far):
a) have food in your stomach at all times. Some nuts do nicely.
b) 'normal' or even double normal doses aren't enough to really f' you up, even when you mix these meds and add some alcohol. SO far it's quite pleasant, though the costs/risks are higher than simply drinking a few whiskeys.
c) butt chugging / plugging is cool (especially if you're into enemas and anal plug play) but doesn't seem to enhance the actual drug experience vs just taking them orally, so far as I can tell.
d) butt chugging alcohol is a different experience than drinking, though. Not better or worse: just something that, when done carefully, can be a fun part of cleaning yourself out.
e) don't overdo any step. Better to have a less-than-awesome result and add more, than to go overboard and wish you stomach would stop trying to kill itself.
 
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last note, full circle: Why shouldn't you Plug Lorazepam? Because even if you dissolve it in drinking alcohol and some water, the effectiveness would *appear* to be no more than if you just swallowed the Lorazepam.

Plugging is best reserved for things like alcohol (+water) where you'll see a dramatic effect that's subtly different from drinking. And of course if you're interested in ass play, you can just take the lorazepam orally, give yourself a Fleets enema, poop for all you're worth, then refill the enema with half vodka and half hot water. Then shoot that up and hold it as long as you can (or indefinitely). Guarantee you'll feel THAT! At which point you can go play your games or enjoy violent porn or whatever it is you do when you are fucked up and alone, and stick other things up your ass and enjoy the sensations, secure in the knowledge that you're just having fun and you're not actually gay. Because enjoying the sensation putting things in your butt is NOT the same thing as being attracted to MEN. Your butt is just a hole in your body that has lots of nerve endings. It's a nice thing.
 
Funniest thread I've read in a long time.. Seriously when I saw the picture of the syringe, I lost it.. Ouch!!
I have nothing to offer, was actually reading this to learn more about pluggin before doing it. Thanks for the laugh everyone..
 
Im thinking mental health wise here.

I understand this much better than I did two years ago. Yes... I would conceed that taking drugs rectally isn't good for your mental health. It makes whatever drug much more Psychologically reinforcing. In fact - the act of plugging becomes habitual in itself. Like right now for instance. I've had a little over my daily dose of Adderall today. But I really just want to plug more. But in doing so - I know that I'll become too overstimulated and start having anxiety problems.

So what does this means? I'll take a Xanax before I plug more Adderall. Thus increasing my use of both drugs. I've noticed as well since plugging Adderall that I'll go into states where I'll actually forget how much Xanax or Adderall I've this day. Making me believe that I missed a dose and that I need another. I can tell that this is really devastating my short-term memory. And I can see that it's beginning to impact my long-term memory as well...
 
If you want to maintain your dignity I would just take it sublingually unless you are chick then it is fine.
Doesnt make a difference if you're male or female, there is nothing wrong with plugging. Has nothing to do with dignity, it's just another r.o.a. We're not in second grade here c'mon.
 
hard to tell how much of the now 4.5 mg of Ativan/Lorazepam is really in my system
Not really, its math.
p.o. BA 85-90% p.r. 80% s.l. not much more than p.o.
Not why shouldn't you
Why would you
Also yeah not even touching the issue of homosexuality plugging is pretty gross, I don't know why Bluelight is obsessed with it, and has been for years.
 
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Not really, its math.
p.o. BA 85-90% p.r. 80% s.l. not much more than p.o.
Not why shouldn't you
Why would you
Also yeah not even touching the issue of homosexuality plugging is pretty gross, I don't know why Bluelight is obsessed with it, and has been for years.
There is no issue of homosexuality, a person's sexual orientation has nothing to do with whether or not they plug drugs. Also, why would you? Well with some drugs it can be quite useful for bringing up bioavailabilty without having to I.V. With lorazepam though, gonna be mostly a waste of time, sublingual would do fine.
 
To clarify by "not touching..." I meant to dismiss the idea that plugging has anything to with homosexuality. It still squicks me out and as a (mostly) former happy needle user I'd have realized no benefit from it. Also, if technique is poor, I'd prefer a missed shot than a perforated rectum any day of the week, although obviously the latter is a more remote risk.

Also OP also obviously did no research whatsoever and for an HR oriented forum I'm surprised it took so long to mention the well know figures on oral BA of benzos.
 
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To clarify by "not touching..." I meant to dismiss the idea that plugging has anything to with homosexuality. It still squicks me out and as a (mostly) former happy needle user I'd have realized no benefit from it. Also, if technique is poor, I'd prefer a missed shot than a perforated rectum any day of the week, although obviously the latter is a more remote risk.

Also OP also obviously did no research whatsoever and for an HR oriented forum I'm surprised it took so long to mention the well know figures on oral BA of benzos.
Oh, ok got ya man.
 
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