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Coming off 1 year .5 insuffulated Herion addicted. Using subs (HELP PLEASE)

Update:... Today has been the roughest, and wasn't thus morning, this gives me hope that that I"m at the top of the roller coaster and going to get better. I think I"m in phase 2 of the withdrawal but I think its worse then phase 1.. No more hot n cold flashes, no more tingly sensations really.. Just exterme fatigue, Stomach issues x100 and insomnia.( I've read that the stomach issues are the last to go?) I almost miss the runny nose, hot flashes.. lol!!! Tonight is 3 days with no xanax help tomorow is day 9 with no sub... and day 2 of no tram. WOOT... I can almost feel my brain healing.... Today I only got 30 mins of exercise vs my normal 60 IF made myself do.. The fatigue is killer.. I've read a lot of posts and MOST say days 10-14 are the breaking point.. we shall see.. Day 9 tomorrow at 6am. Like usual.. Giving you the real deal... of how I"m feeling. God bless

-Brian
 
Hey bro.

No idea where to test for the Sub. Still I think it is a good idea. If you find out let us know the result.

While reading your last post I just realised you kept doing Tramadol. I wonder if that could the cause for your withdrawal symptoms dragging on. I have no experience with it. However if it did brought some relief it could make sens that it also prolonged your detox. Food for thoughts. Until you can get confirmation from people who used Tram through withdrawal it might be a good idea to refrain from taking it again.
 
So...I've heard of ppl reporting that Trams DEFINITELY prolonged their w/d. That was never my experience but I always take breaks and never withdraw that hard (I'VE NEVER USED H FOR a year straight) so my case might be different.

Edit: The words appearing in bold italics above were omitted in my original submission, making it confusing. Hopefully it makes more sense now.
 
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If possible, try to get some memantine. To use an obscure alzheimer's med against withdrawal may sound weird, but only until you read the science behind - and it really works like magic! Some weeks (or as long as it needs for you) on 20-40mg/d and you might be able to quit opioids with minimal discomfort and no PAWS.

It's beyond just covering withdrawal - it modulates your mu-opioid receptors, reverses tolerance and abolishes glutamate / dopamine imbalance, possibly even restores endorphin production.

Actually thinking of opioids fears me now, I can't believe that I willingly took them for so long and certainly will never again ... when getting off an opioid without all the withdrawal, anxiety, pain together with the cravings and PAWS, the contrast is much more noticeable. Opioids are death. Maybe it's little brother, but still.
 
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Day 9: 9 days off subs. 3 days off Benzo's 2 days off Tram.. I wasn't as lucky tonight for sleep... Got about 3 hours. Woke up sneezy a milllion times like crazy. Stomach "RIGHT NOW" seems calmer... Fatigue seems to be increased and/fuzzy/ foggy head seems to inscreased. No hot flashes, tingly sensations, headaches atm. I used the Tramadol throughout the withdrawal.. not every day.. prolly like 100mg or soo.. 2 pills 3x per week... I don't think I shoudl withdrwawal too bad from that. I wasnt using prior this taper protocol. So I was using Tramadol for about 3-4 weeks....with only about 100-150 per day for 3x per week... Hmm.. I guess the following days will determine this.. No cravings to use heroin or the sub anymore...I did however have a quick flash in my head that doing it could take away this withdrawal completely... But then I remembered how shitty I feel NO THANKS! Lol :P

12-6-4-2-1-.75-.5-.5-0-.5-0-0.5-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 9 (days no sub)
Tram-0-0 2 (day no Tram)
Klonopins 0-0-0 3 (day no Benzo).

I'm continuing to supplment with b-6, l-tyrosine, multi, 5-htp, true calm, immmodium(4mg). Exercising everyday 30min at least.

It's only going to get better from here...
 
Hmm... Interesting, even if your not getting high? You would think your receptors would continue to heal and recover with tram being soo weak.. Not doubting you tho!!!! From what I"ve been reading.. If you continue having bad physical symtoms your probably not putting yourself in reverse, thus tramadol is just making the withdrawl milder.. but not your right, it wont be as FAST.... This is all just a big mind fuck hahaha
 
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Bhall99 said:
Hmm... Interesting, even if your not getting high? You would think your receptors would continue to heal and recover with tram being soo weak..
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That's exactly what I think too. Compared to the strength of H and how many receptors are expecting a full agonist to bind with them, I really can't see Tramadol putting much of a dent in anything, and like I said, my personal experience has supported that conclusion, but I can't argue with so many people reporting the opposite.

I really don't know exactly what's going on with the subject of Tramadol and the prolongation of opioid withdrawal, but it would be smart to put aside anything that would bind to your opioid receptors regardless.
 
Yep, that's what I'm trying out here. Day 2: No Tram Day 3: No Benzo. Maybe its the SSRI in the Tramadol that makes the withdrawal worse, cuz then you are withdrawaling from the opiate plus now the SSRI from the Tram... Just my two sense idk. I'm no doctor.. I know I'm going through the detox process tho.. getting all the side effects.. while taking tram.. so its not like preventing the detox or anything. But like we said above.. Could drag it on longer.. Don't want that.
 
Damn sounds like some nasty WD. I used to be on Lexapro which is an SSRI and I abruptly stopped taking it. The WD from that was decently bad too I remember this terrible headache that felt like a constant pressure right behind my eye. That and extreme anxiety that would come in waves. People are usually tapered very slowly off SSRI medication for such reasons. I'm not sure how strong tram is as far as its SSRI properties are concerned but I definitely would not want to stack that on top of some gnarly heroin WD.
Keep pushing on man. You're going to change your life for the better and at the end of the day that's all you've got. Once you get over that hump and the WD are over is when the real battle starts. Stay busy. Stay active. You got this man.
 
Exactly. Hard to know for sure but you better not take any chances.

Well you know it has to get better soon. So you hang on and will go through.

It is funny that you said you had a flash that using a bit would make it all go away. It is my experience that the brain finds all sort of reasons and that they don't need to be logical to be convincing. Funny in the sens that your mind wants to trick you in easing the pain with all sort of flawed reasoning. That is another thing to look out for and be careful with while kicking. The shit my mind tried to pulled was hilarious. Wish I would remember some examples. It just shows how strong the addiction is and how strong you been so far in resisting it.
 
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\outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 \shad\shadx0\shady-20\shadr0\shado255 \shadc3 I took 2 8mg subs when I started withdrawing but I still felt like shit so decided to use dope to feel better I'm still sick but not as much. Would it be bad to take more subs now. What should I do}
 
Oh. My. Gooody good lordy lord. I just realized something. Tramadol has always disturbed my sleep!

I'm sorry I didn't realize and warn you earlier, it probably would have saved you some suffering.

I suspect you'll get your sleep back now that you're discontinuing the Trams.
 
Aftermath 16mgs of suboxone is a lot and it makes me think if you were still sick you must've not waited for the opiates you were addicted to clear your system. It does stump me how doing dope would've gotten you to feel less sick while taking subs,the naloxone would block the opiates form building on your receptors.Anyway I found out the hard way you have to wait at least a day off of smack before you use subs(I've done subs on as little as 12hours after dope but that's pushing it). I was on methadone back in 05 when subs were fairly new in the states and the methadone clinic used me as a guinea pig to switch me from methadone to suboxone. I was 36 hours into wds and they started me out at 4mg and waited 45min,I was sick as shit and they kept bumping me 2mgs at a time and I kept feeling worse(methadone I guess hangs around a lot longer then heroin,longer half life). Anyway I learned the hard way if you start to soon nothing will make you(at least in my case) feel better accept time,you will go into acute wds for a few days.
 
Ayyy men Brother! Too bad I"m in control of this body.. not the drug! lol. Fatigue, runs... headache.. main symtoms right now. Update you all in the morning. Day 10!!! Breaking out the double digits! lol. Namnoc16... Yep I did 28 or soo hours and put me into precipiated withdrawals and I incerased dosage.. made it worse.. Time is the only thing that works
 
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Precipitated withdrawal is a fucking bitch. Been there as well. What I never tried was using on top of Sub.

I ve read a couple of testimony from people saying that only a strong agonist like H can be felt over Sub yet it is tremendously dangerous cause you can overdo it even if you feel nothing from it and end up ODing. Not advising anyone to do it on the contrary I think it is way too dangerous and very few potential gains.
 
Day 10: It has arrived. I slept okay last night again... about 4-5 hours or soo...Stomach is still upset/cramping/runs.. Havn't sneezed yet... Don't feel cold or have had hot flashes.. No tingly sensations. Fatigue, and Stomach issues still... Day 10 no subs/ Day 3 no Tram/ Day 4 no Benzo.

Update: 10:30 am.... Getting random chills again.. slight headache, Fatigue, Stomach still doing fucking crazy stuff. Jumping jacks, pressure feeling. Bloat. I drug tested myself.. Everything is out of my system... Benzo. H. Sub... I Coulnd't find a test for Tramadol tho... So Idk how long that usually stays in your system.. Maybe why this is lingering soo bad. Would I withdraw from Tram.. if I was done with H? and Sub? Does it affect receptors in your brain diff? Whats everyone two sense on that?
 
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The stomach issues and the insomnia linger with me the longest,though you have a step up on me it usually would take me like a month before I coud get more then an hour of sleep a night(started hallucinating). Bhall99 what are you doing for social life. I know it sounds trivial but if you can get in with some like minded sober people and hang out it tends to make the wds seem less prevalent . I would find that when I sit at home kicking the wds would seem much worse then if I was going out and being active.I've seen you post about exercising and such which is great but don't isolate yourself expecially once you start hitting PAWs you need to keep busy and having to set some goals other then just white knuckling it and staying off dope as your only goal.

This is just speculation,I don't know what you've been doing but speaking from past experience I had to get out and have a cup of coffee and bullshit. I even did NA/AA for awhile to get me over then hump.I felt they were a bit preachy and repetitive bumper sticker slogans but for my first few months it was really therapeutic to be able to verbally share my story with others that have went through it. This site is great but I personally had to have face to face time with others and sharing my story as well.
Keep it up buddy!
 
My dumb dr made me go from 60mg methadone to 32 mg suboxzone and withdrawal is horrible how long till I'm normal been 40 hours and I'm crippled
 
Markdcoz said:
My dumb dr made me go from 60mg methadone to 32 mg suboxzone and withdrawal is horrible how long till I'm normal been 40 hours and I'm crippled
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How long did your doctor wait to switch you from methadone to suboxone? As I said I was on 40 mg maintenance dose(they weened me down to that before subs) and I had waited 36 hours from being switched to subs and I was sick. I would imagine you'd ave to be off of methadone for 2 maybe 3 days before switching you over,depending how long you've been on it.
 
Another work day gone by... Its 14 hours have gone by.. Chills have gotten worse. Fatigue/ Stomach issues seem to be the same, havn't gotten worse or better. I noticed I been farting a lot! LMAO and they SMELL the worst they ever have in my life lol. namnoc, I have been trying to stay busy as possible. I'm a gym fanatic. In excellent shape, I know and remember the Natural way to be happy and its my extra motivation to get back. SO exercising, spending time with family/friends when I can and feel up too it. This is crazzzy! I never want to do this shit again. I have 0% craving to use again.

Like I said in previous posts. I'm going to tell it like it is.. If you don't like it.. you don't have to read my thread. I'm trying to help others in the future with this.
 
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