Tied Kratom Today - quick question

[Lovecraft]

Took 7g of Manga Da. Felt good, energetic and euphoria. Nothing ass kicking but nice. Decided to add 2g an hour later. Good feelings continued.

Took another 2 g about 30 min later and started to feel sedated and lethargic with some nausea. So I think the dose for this batch is 7 - 9g.

It is now 7 hours later and am still feeling the lethargic nauseous thing slightly. If I took a bit more now, would the good energetic feelings kick in or the lethargic feeling just intensify? How much more would I take to make the good feelings come back?

Or should I just call it a day?

 

[SiCc]

Maeng DA is stimulating to me in lower doses 1-4 grams and more sedative at higher doses 5-12. I have also found in my experience that once you reach a certain high amount, the effects plateaue meaning they don't increase. I take low doses for energy and higher for relaxation. Try a different vein for energy if that's what you seek. I'm a Bali bandit

Maeng DA means "pimp grade" and a lot of vendors mix different veins and call it Maeng DA so be careful with vendors

Also be careful with prolonged use as it will 100% bring withdrawal and stay away from extracts. That withdrawal is equal to any strong opiate. Hope this helped!

 

[Lovecraft]

If I took more now would I experience some good effects again or would it just needs adding to the amount I took earlier and make me feel more sedated?

 

[SiCc]

If I took more now would I experience some good effects again or would it just needs adding to the amount I took earlier and make me feel more sedated?

Doses usually last 3-5 hours for me, more usually means sedated depending on the time you took your last dose. Try another 2-4 grams in a few hours.

I usually dose twice a day when I use kratom. Mornings I use 5 grams and 10 at night to help relax. I use marijuana to battle the nausea when i first began using.

 

[Lovecraft]

Doses usually last 3-5 hours for me, more usually means sedated depending on the time you took your last dose. Try another 2-4 grams in a few hours.

I usually dose twice a day when I use kratom. Mornings I use 5 grams and 10 at night to help relax. I use marijuana to battle the nausea when i first began using.

Thanks for the reply

 

[SiCc]

Thanks for the reply

Anytime! Anything else just ask. I've gained loads of knowledge over the years spectating on here. It feels good to finally give back some info from all the help I've learned here.

 

[Lovecraft]

Thanks again. I'm just getting into kratom. I was fairly pleased with the effect I got today.

I think I found a reputable vendor but who knows. I've been doing a lot of research. I found websites that review vendors and some contradict each other. I guess it all boils down to trial and error. I have a couple more batches on their way from different vendors.

The experiment continues. Personally looking for more of that opiate like effect.

 

[Lovecraft]

I wonder how many times I can take it in a row without experiencing w/d upon cessation.

 

[Johndoedoe.junk]

Personally looking for more of that opiate like effect.

Hopefully I'm not highjacking your thread but I too am looking for some good Kratom that delivers the opiate effect. Not too long ago I tried some capsules bought from a smoke shop as well as a drink the looked similar to a 5-hour Energy type bottle that had mostly Kratom as long as a few other ingredients in it. My goal was t have something to help me reduce my Norco dosing and help with withdrawals in the case they came. My experience sucked! Started off with the drink which did nothing followed by 7 capsules, waited and nothing, 7 more, waited and nothing, and 7 more capsules which big surprise did nothing. Didn't even sedate me, at the very most just gave me a stomach. This really turned me off to Kraton but maybe I just got bunk/low potency product. I would love to have a substance not closely controlled and regulated by the government that actually worked well and delivered an opiate effect.

 

[SiCc]

Thanks again. I'm just getting into kratom. I was fairly pleased with the effect I got today.

I think I found a reputable vendor but who knows. I've been doing a lot of research. I found websites that review vendors and some contradict each other. I guess it all boils down to trial and error. I have a couple more batches on their way from different vendors.

The experiment continues. Personally looking for more of that opiate like effect.

I've tried all the veins and Bali gives me the most opiate like feeling. I then went to extracts which skyrocketed my tolerance. So stay away and those withdrawals suck.

Good vendors will let you sample different veins if you ask. Just do some research and trial and error is right! As we cannot give sources here.

As for withdrawals I never go past 3 days of use which keeps my withdrawals bearable. May feel sluggish a day or two after. Just be careful as it is addicting. I started kratom to combat heroin withdrawal and traded an addiction so be wise!

 

[SiCc]

Hopefully I'm not highjacking your thread but I too am looking for some good Kratom that delivers the opiate effect. Not too long ago I tried some capsules bought from a smoke shop as well as a drink the looked similar to a 5-hour Energy type bottle that had mostly Kratom as long as a few other ingredients in it. My goal was t have something to help me reduce my Norco dosing and help with withdrawals in the case they came. My experience sucked! Started off with the drink which did nothing followed by 7 capsules, waited and nothing, 7 more, waited and nothing, and 7 more capsules which big surprise did nothing. Didn't even sedate me, at the very most just gave me a stomach. This really turned me off to Kraton but maybe I just got bunk/low potency product. I would love to have a substance not closely controlled and regulated by the government that actually worked well and delivered an opiate effect.

Your first mistake was buying from a headshop. They sit on the product if it doesn't sell and the alkoloids eventually die off over time and it must be stored in a cool place as experienced kratom users know heat will also burn off alkaloids. And its way over priced in headshops. Search online for vendors with good reviews. Once you find a great vendor you will have success. Stay away from headshops and order small before you buy in bulk to make sure your product is good. Then buy bulk as its so much cheaper. Good luck

 

[Johndoedoe.junk]

Your first mistake was buying from a headshop. They sit on the product if it doesn't sell and the alkoloids eventually die off over time and it must be stored in a cool place as experienced kratom users know heat will also burn off alkaloids. And its way over priced in headshops. Search online for vendors with good reviews. Once you find a great vendor you will have success. Stay away from headshops and order small before you buy in bulk to make sure your product is good. Then buy bulk as its so much cheaper. Good luck

Thanks for the reply. Any strains you can suggest? Also please PM me if you can, got a few questions.

 

[SiCc]

Thanks for the reply. Any strains you can suggest? Also please PM me if you can, got a few questions.

Your welcome!
Try Bali kratom. Do a search on it. Many users have also said bali is most like the opiate effect with not much stimulation. I find maeng DA to be the next in line for opiate effects up to 5 grams and beyond. Lower doses will always be more stimulating in my experience. I believe your dose was too low and out of date product.

I don't think I can PM yet as I'm still greenlighted. Give me a day or two and I should be bluelighted.

 

[Lovecraft]

As for withdrawals I never go past 3 days of use which keeps my withdrawals bearable. May feel sluggish a day or two after. Just be careful as it is addicting.

So basically the same guidelines as any physically addicting substance.

 

[SiCc]

So basically the same guidelines as any physically addicting substance.

Yes, I call it the 3 day rule as I've learned with any substance. I got a friend who says he takes it all week above 10 grams a day and stops on friday with minimal WD's until Monday. Everyone is different.

 

[Lovecraft]

Yes, I call it the 3 day rule as I've learned with any substance. I got a friend who says he takes it all week above 10 grams a day and stops on friday with minimal WD's until Monday. Everyone is different.

That is true, everyone is different. If I take a good dose of any opiate on one day, I can certainly feel a negative after effect on the very next day. However, I didn't feel anything like this when I woke up today after taking the kratom yesterday.

 

[SiCc]

That is true, everyone is different. If I take a good dose of any opiate on one day, I can certainly feel a negative after effect on the very next day. However, I didn't feel anything like this when I woke up today after taking the kratom yesterday.

So I assume you have been experimenting with opiates for some time then. Well good for you that your experimenting with a natural substance than a synthetic pharma substances. Stick with the kratom. It has done wonders for me just keep your tolerance low.

I was a pill popping animal which lead to heroin to IV heroin and anything I can suck up in a syringe. I'm mentally strong so withdrawal was bad but not as bad as others make it seem. Once you find a good vendor you will soon find the benefits.

 

[SiCc]

You can also buy leaf and stem mixed which will help drop tolerance if you eventually build up. It also is a good tool to use if you want to taper if your dose gets too high.

 

[Lovecraft]

Yes I've been "experimenting" for about the last 15 years with opiates, sometimes more than just experimenting, unfortunately. This is my first venture into Kratom. Currently I'm not substance dependent and would like to keep it that way. But there's always that danger with me so I'll have to be careful about kratom, especially if I end up finding a. Good vendor with reliable stuff.

The vendor that I got the Maeng da from sent me a sample of something called "wildcraft rv" which I trie this morning. It did absolutely nothing except get me a little nauseous.

I just popped some more of the Maeng da I got from them so hopefully it works as good as yesterday.

 

[SiCc]

I just popped some more of the Maeng da I got from them so hopefully it works as good as yesterday.

Try it on a empty stomach. And vendors name their own products which is usually a mix of veins. You may want to try real grapefruit juice or cayanne pepper before your dose as some say it potentiates it. I never dose unless its on a empty stomach. And kratom is a fiber so a lot get nauseous. You toss and wash? Or mix it with another liquid?