Harm Reduction The Pain Management Megathread (Chronic and Acute Pain Discussion) Version 5.0 ~ V

[tnvol44]

I had a burning,numbing sensation in my right thigh for years,after having an mri I found out I had three collapsed discs and a bulging herniated disc all in my lower lumbar.I was prescribed oxycodone and it would't touch the numbness and burning in my leg.After trying everything under the sun,I was given gabapentin and it has been a God send for that nerve pain,works really well and has some effect potentiating my oxycodone also.It seems to work really well!

 

[CfZrx]

Anyone else notice that methadone is the best pain med they have tried? I'm on 3 5mg pills a day, and with thc its great! So glad I didnt end up on the butrans patch. Would have had to skip my baths

 

[Cliffy78]

Hello everyone I am on oxycodone 10mg 4-6 times a day for herniated disc,ruptured disc,and degenerative disc disease. Anyhow I've been on the oxy and somas for 4 years through my family doc and every 6 months I take a drug screen. Last drug sceen I took cameback negative on all drugs and I was quite surprised. I found out the test he ordered is a 5 panel drug test and doesn't look for oxys but when I brought this to his attention he said that opiates should have popped up and that I was wrong.Anyhow he ordered me a gc/ms test but before the results were back(it takes at least a week) my script ran out and they wouldn't refill it.I finally got them to fill it but now he's kicking me out and wants me to go to pain management. Is this common doctors not knowing the tests they are ordering? I've been calling pnmgt docs and all of them are sounding skeptical on why my doctor would stop seeing me after 4 years and a few wouldn't even schedule me. Has anyone else been through anything like this?I'm afraid I'm gonna lose my script even though my doc(that magnanimous prick) is willing to write me one more(wow I get 120 which is a 3 week supply) until I can find an office to take me. I also want to hear the results of this gc/ms test because I want an apology(ill hold my breath) and it sucks when they make you out to be a fiend. Hope I don't get in trouble for moving my post but need to know if anyone else has been treated this way and if I have any recourse! Oh and I just mentioned the tests as being pertinent to my story I want no replys about the tests specifically(did my own research on them)​

Sounds like your dr wants to be done with you tbph. That's soooo fucked, I really feel for u. He should be finding u a pain clinic and getting u and appt. everytime I've been referred to pm that's how it went. It'll be very difficult to get yourself in without a referral from you pcp. These drs are aging game with people's lives and I'm so sick of seeing it, it really infuriates me. They wonder why everyone's moving on to heroin, fucking duh? They make people with legitimate pain issues jump through so many hoops and make it so difficult that for someone who's really really suffering it's impossible to do some of the shit they demand. I had to go to pain clinic every fucking week for 6mths just so they could script me meds I had already been on and failed. I don't drive either so that was 4 buses everytime with serious psychological issues, I hate crowds so fuck it let's make the kid go on packed busses to a packed bus station full of scumbags, yeah great! After all that I just ended up staying with my pcp who was writing me an oxy script, that was the only thing that worked. The pm was soooo against oxy that they put me through a bunch of bullshit with meds I was allergic to that didn't even touch my pain. Fuck the system! It's obviously broken when legit patients are treated like we are. Sry for the rant. I really hope things work out for u and u get into pm before your script runs out. That's some bullshit pcp u got there that's gonna just cold turkey u if u can't find a pain clinic in time, unreal(smfh). Btw ime it took months to get an appt at pm, and that was with my dr calling them to get me in. Wtf do they expect of u? No referral? Why can't ur dr just be honest at least and tell u to fuck off? At least he'd be being honest as to his true intentions then u know?

 

[streetpharmacist84]

Just thought I would put this out there for our male CPP's.........I am not completely sure its not as well known as i am expecting however I feel the need to share cause its a big deal. Anyways chronic opiate use does lead to low testosterone, which leads to low energy, loss of ambition, and worst of all loss of sex drive. I was pretty embarrassed and at first even questioned myself, and my love for my wife because I have always been attracted to her and love sex. I finally broke down to a buddy of mine a few years back and he told me well dude.........long term opiate use leads to low T.........and he was like damn bro I would of told you already but you are always so up to par when it comes to your health and medications I didnt even think to. So after that, I went to my doctor........who used to do sports medicine. He's dealt with pain a lot but he dosent generally treat chronic pain but due to some circustances he takes care of me, because I get treated for a lot of other stuff at the medical group and its easier. When I told him I had low T he was hesitant, but he knows I stay on top of my health and tested me. He was blown away that the test came back as I had 100 units and it should of been 500(cant remember the denominations. Anyways figured Id share and maybe help out some relationships.

 

[Treefa]

I have a question; a serious question, and maybe a half-assed attempt to explain it all through a rant, my question;

Why is it that everybody who takes pain pills, or knows somebody who does either A.) Thinks they are an "addict" or B.) thinks people get "high" off their Rx??

This has been nagging the fuck out of me, I've known people that take 1 Percocet in the A.m. and maybe 2 at night and they think they are an "addict"!
I know people (family, and family that told friends) that have said "man what do you take lortab for?? Man I hear that stuff is REALLY addicting, maybe you should try a "normal" pain killer".
I have read online reports, where somebody takes 30mg Lortab/day for 6 months, for fucking dental surgery or something minor like that, and all the sudden THEY'RE A JUNKIE AND THEY NEED SUBOXONE, METHADONE, REHABILITATION!!

What the fuck is wrong with either A.) The world, or B.) America??
Why is it OK to take decidedly DANGEROUS OTC drugs, nobody even bats an eyelid, but if you take a NARCOTIC PAIN RELIEVER TO IMPROVE YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE all the sudden your a "junkie, addict, pill-popper", excuse me, excuse me folks but this is just about the biggest pile of HORSE-SHIT I've ever walked through...

I have a feeling that what has happened in the last half of the 20th century is that human beings, that used to be hard-working, tough, resilient, enduring, survive in the middle of the winter in a log cabin tough as fucking nails, have all been gradually transformed into pussies!!
Idk why, maybe it's all the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, The CORRUPT CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT, or the general disconnect from survival instincts (food, water) having everything handed to us, but people nowadays just really seem to not be worth a shit...
It seems like we all have something "wrong" with us, according to either our own standards or somebody elses, and the INTERNET is probably responsible for most of that.
There is absolutely ZERO SENSE OF COMMUNITY, but some folks still have the nerve to call themselves your "friends".

But back to the so-called "PAIN PILL EPIDEMIC"
"Pain pill Rx's are on The rise in the last 15 years"
Explanation.) NO SHIT, OUR FOOD IS FULL OF GARBAGE CHEMICALS AND ADDITIVES&SHIT, that's making us 10X as sick, as a whole, SO HELL FUCKING YES WE NEED MORE PAIN PILLS. The ground water is full of God-only-KNOWS-what kind of bullshit fluoride, Prozac, paraquat, and most of it probably doesn't get filtered out by reverse osmosis IDK but the shit is still contaminated as hell..that is a FACT. Is it anywonder that we don't use MORE pills than we do!?

Next, everybody is a goddamn queer or a tranny nowadays, and SOMEHOW it's more normal (socially acceptable) to get a SEX-CHANGE OPERATION, than it is to take opiate pain relievers!! WTF?!!
As if to say "Transexuals who were "SUPPOSED TO BE BORN A BOY/GIRL" should be able to surgically become that which they were "SUPPOSED" to be born as" Wow, so not only are people getting socially acceptable surgery to change their gender, but they're taking hormones with SEVERELY LIFE-THREATENING SIDE EFFECTS!
Is it Only me, OR IS THAT DELUSIONAL....DELUSIONAL AS SHIT???!!

Well guess what, I was SUPPOSED to have been born in 1943, back when the world was at least sort-of a decent fucking place to live!! What can we do for me doc??!
"nothing we can do for you son, your delusional, here have some ZOLOFT, and some XANAX, even some SEROQUEL, it'll make you grow boobs and commit suicide, but it MIGHT maybe help with your "delusions". Me-"sure doc, how about some MSIR 60mg T.I.D. for this awful pains I've been having in my spine, neck, and shoulders??"
**doctor inhales sharply, clicks pen.....turns his head....minutes pass he's still turning his head, incredibly slowly, our eyes meet "No morphine is addictive, your too young, morphine is a POWERFUL-NARCOTIC pain killer, you're an addict, do you need rehab? How about methadone, suboxone?""

In case nobody gets the jist of what i'm saying, WHAT IS WITH ALL THE DOUBLE STANDARDs, when it comes to medications etc...??
Morphine is literally one of, if not the safest pain killer around, all side effects are PREDICTABLE, and controllable, and are hardly ever (unless abused, injected, etc) life threatening. Not to mention, unlike all the other TONNES of pills they'll make you try first, MORPHINE ACTUALLY WORKS...KILLS PAIN.

All I know is that when I take a full agonist, I can finally exist, despite pain, adversity, circumstances, etc...I can instantly "adapt" to all the confusing shit going on around me, pains don't hurt, and I can go on with my own fucking life...

So what's the holdup??

Any and all answers/insights welcome

Not that it matters, but I've been taking 30mg Norco/day for the past 2 years for arthritis, thanks to my kind old doctor(God Bless him), and self medicated a good cpl years before that too. I don't consider myself an 'addict" although I sometimes take more pills, and I don't see anything wrong, at all, morally or otherwise with ANYBODY IN PHYSICAL PAIN taking AS MUCH OPIOID AS THEY NEED everyday to improve quality of life.
So why the hell is it such a bad thing??
Why am I reading of people, with really bad medical conditions like cancer and stuff, who are on SUBOXONE and not MSContin??!! this is just an atrocity IMO, idk if it's ignorance, or FEAR on part of the patient or the doctor, but something has got to change.

Has the world just turned into one big, afraid & cowering, infected cunt? Spurned mother nature, and now each and every one of us? Is it greed, ignorance, fear, stupidity WHY somebody just tell my WHY that's all I want to know WHY is it a crime to take pain pills, patients are afraid, docs are afraid, everybody is fucking afraid...pathetic.

 

[CfZrx]

^Idk, but I'd take methadone any day over mscontin!

 

[Cliffy78]

I have a question; a serious question, and maybe a half-assed attempt to explain it all through a rant, my question;

Why is it that everybody who takes pain pills, or knows somebody who does either A.) Thinks they are an "addict" or B.) thinks people get "high" off their Rx??

This has been nagging the fuck out of me, I've known people that take 1 Percocet in the A.m. and maybe 2 at night and they think they are an "addict"!
I know people (family, and family that told friends) that have said "man what do you take lortab for?? Man I hear that stuff is REALLY addicting, maybe you should try a "normal" pain killer".
I have read online reports, where somebody takes 30mg Lortab/day for 6 months, for fucking dental surgery or something minor like that, and all the sudden THEY'RE A JUNKIE AND THEY NEED SUBOXONE, METHADONE, REHABILITATION!!

What the fuck is wrong with either A.) The world, or B.) America??
Why is it OK to take decidedly DANGEROUS OTC drugs, nobody even bats an eyelid, but if you take a NARCOTIC PAIN RELIEVER TO IMPROVE YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE all the sudden your a "junkie, addict, pill-popper", excuse me, excuse me folks but this is just about the biggest pile of HORSE-SHIT I've ever walked through...

I have a feeling that what has happened in the last half of the 20th century is that human beings, that used to be hard-working, tough, resilient, enduring, survive in the middle of the winter in a log cabin tough as fucking nails, have all been gradually transformed into pussies!!
Idk why, maybe it's all the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, The CORRUPT CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT, or the general disconnect from survival instincts (food, water) having everything handed to us, but people nowadays just really seem to not be worth a shit...
It seems like we all have something "wrong" with us, according to either our own standards or somebody elses, and the INTERNET is probably responsible for most of that.
There is absolutely ZERO SENSE OF COMMUNITY, but some folks still have the nerve to call themselves your "friends".

But back to the so-called "PAIN PILL EPIDEMIC"
"Pain pill Rx's are on The rise in the last 15 years"
Explanation.) NO SHIT, OUR FOOD IS FULL OF GARBAGE CHEMICALS AND ADDITIVES&SHIT, that's making us 10X as sick, as a whole, SO HELL FUCKING YES WE NEED MORE PAIN PILLS. The ground water is full of God-only-KNOWS-what kind of bullshit fluoride, Prozac, paraquat, and most of it probably doesn't get filtered out by reverse osmosis IDK but the shit is still contaminated as hell..that is a FACT. Is it anywonder that we don't use MORE pills than we do!?

Next, everybody is a goddamn queer or a tranny nowadays, and SOMEHOW it's more normal (socially acceptable) to get a SEX-CHANGE OPERATION, than it is to take opiate pain relievers!! WTF?!!
As if to say "Transexuals who were "SUPPOSED TO BE BORN A BOY/GIRL" should be able to surgically become that which they were "SUPPOSED" to be born as" Wow, so not only are people getting socially acceptable surgery to change their gender, but they're taking hormones with SEVERELY LIFE-THREATENING SIDE EFFECTS!
Is it Only me, OR IS THAT DELUSIONAL....DELUSIONAL AS SHIT???!!

Well guess what, I was SUPPOSED to have been born in 1943, back when the world was at least sort-of a decent fucking place to live!! What can we do for me doc??!
"nothing we can do for you son, your delusional, here have some ZOLOFT, and some XANAX, even some SEROQUEL, it'll make you grow boobs and commit suicide, but it MIGHT maybe help with your "delusions". Me-"sure doc, how about some MSIR 60mg T.I.D. for this awful pains I've been having in my spine, neck, and shoulders??"
**doctor inhales sharply, clicks pen.....turns his head....minutes pass he's still turning his head, incredibly slowly, our eyes meet "No morphine is addictive, your too young, morphine is a POWERFUL-NARCOTIC pain killer, you're an addict, do you need rehab? How about methadone, suboxone?""

In case nobody gets the jist of what i'm saying, WHAT IS WITH ALL THE DOUBLE STANDARDs, when it comes to medications etc...??
Morphine is literally one of, if not the safest pain killer around, all side effects are PREDICTABLE, and controllable, and are hardly ever (unless abused, injected, etc) life threatening. Not to mention, unlike all the other TONNES of pills they'll make you try first, MORPHINE ACTUALLY WORKS...KILLS PAIN.

All I know is that when I take a full agonist, I can finally exist, despite pain, adversity, circumstances, etc...I can instantly "adapt" to all the confusing shit going on around me, pains don't hurt, and I can go on with my own fucking life...

So what's the holdup??

Any and all answers/insights welcome

Not that it matters, but I've been taking 30mg Norco/day for the past 2 years for arthritis, thanks to my kind old doctor(God Bless him), and self medicated a good cpl years before that too. I don't consider myself an 'addict" although I sometimes take more pills, and I don't see anything wrong, at all, morally or otherwise with ANYBODY IN PHYSICAL PAIN taking AS MUCH OPIOID AS THEY NEED everyday to improve quality of life.
So why the hell is it such a bad thing??
Why am I reading of people, with really bad medical conditions like cancer and stuff, who are on SUBOXONE and not MSContin??!! this is just an atrocity IMO, idk if it's ignorance, or FEAR on part of the patient or the doctor, but something has got to change.

Has the world just turned into one big, afraid & cowering, infected cunt? Spurned mother nature, and now each and every one of us? Is it greed, ignorance, fear, stupidity WHY somebody just tell my WHY that's all I want to know WHY is it a crime to take pain pills, patients are afraid, docs are afraid, everybody is fucking afraid...pathetic.

BRA-FUCKING-VO, BRAVO BROTHER!!!! Fucking preach it man! I totally agree with you, this is all fuckin ludicrous and makes no sense. Maois, ssri's, snris etc etc have done much more damage to me than any opiate ever could, and oh the side effects, the fucking countless side effects I've endured. Brain zaps, facial twitches, restless legs, dry mouth, fucking becoming suicidal outta nowhere when that's not really me, Paxil made me faint while getting of a bus, that could've killed me. What if I was up on a ladder painting? I can't list all the side effects, it would take up the whole page. Only problems I've had with opiates is drs don't understand them. Get high off the meds? Maybe for the first week or 2 but your body adjusts and u function just fine. WTF! What's worse? Your right treefa it's a ridiculous double standard, but were the junkies right? If you've ever had to discontinue taking zyprexa then u know who the real zombieized withdrawing junky really is! Opiate wd can't touch that pain! I can go on and on but I don't want to hijack the thread but I'm sick of being treated like a piece of shit just because I take opiates. My family would even talk all kinda shit, my pops just last week said "Man U gotta get off that shit", WTF!?!?! These are people who've seen me in the throes of an acute pancreatic attack, and they still treat me like I'm gonna steal the sees to their house. I've never done anyone wrong, like to think I'm a stand up guy. Get off the shit? Dude, u do realize I get these from a dr. Right? Go fuck yourself asshole! I mean shit, were conditioned to put up with this shit too cause no matter what were just being emotional drug addicts. It's so fucked man. But fuck that shit man I'm at peace with my usage, it's what gets me through another brutal day. I'm gonna stop now, sry folks. Great post treefa, that shit needed to be said and it needs to be said by more of us. Were fucking sick of it and were not gonna take the bullshit any-fucking-more, I'll be a junky but that won't change the fact that whoevers calling me that is a bigger piece if shit than I could ever be. Cliffy out!

 

[Bliss26]

Treefa you're preaching to the choir about the fear they have over pain pills.
The answer is ignorance and the media are at fault for people's misconceptions.
Love how you slipped that homophobic paragraph in though, your point would have been better made if you hadn't gone on a tangent about homosexual and transgendered people. It's ironic be you're putting ignorance and the media indirectly on blast, and then that part was no doubt formed with ignorance and media bias (ie there's no more gay or trans folks than there used to be, they are just more open now and far fewer are committing suicide, thank god)

 

[Bliss26]

Namnoc I'm confused.. You say every six months you have to take a drug panel, and failed this one bc his tests don't detect for oxy. If that's the case, why did you pass all previous tests?

 

[ashstorm]

Saw the spine specialist today.

The verdict is a collapsed disc and bone spurs.

Doctor said the disc should fuse in time and there was nothing to be done other than physio.

I think I'm going to get a second opinion.

And for a whole new can of worms I have lots of cysts on my lungs

 

[stefx85]

@dixichick injectable opiods? Some mophine intramuscular or subcutaneous under your skin? Just a thought? I inject myself subcutaneously with insulin and at first the thought of injecting yourself sounds like a challenge it becomes quite tolerable after some days... Weeks..
I now have no problems with needles at all..

 

[namnoc16]

Namnoc I'm confused.. You say every six months you have to take a drug panel, and failed this one bc his tests don't detect for oxy. If that's the case, why did you pass all previous tests?

He normally orders me a 7 panel test and at the top of the lab sheet checks off oxycodone(some number after it don't remember) anyway the last time he ordered the test he checked generic urinalysis (didn't include oxy in the panel) he's done this before but last time he didn't make a big deal about it(that's when he started ordering me the 7 panel test for some reason he didn't do it this last time,he is old. Anyway was accepted to pnmgt but they want to increase me to 15mgs thinking about switching to mj!Don't want to keep getting increased until nothing works,Im an ex junky and tired of opiate dependency and docs looking at me sideways. The main reason I want to get off them is I'm at their mercy and they can pul my script whenever they feel like it even if they fuck up!Labcorp sends each test to my email so I have history of all the tests I've taken that's how I noticed the fuck up!
I will say the pnmgt doc got me in day after I called and my doc faxed him referral,Demo sheet,Med list,last office visit,but he want's to give meds with injections after I told him I've had trigger point injections,faucet, and epidural none of them helped some made it worse.

 

[JebJebJeb]

In Russia Spetsnaz are taught to enjoy pain

That just goes to show pain is nothing more than a word for the week an excuse for the lazy to steal of the common decent man


Who doesn't care about a bit of pain... "The brave don't cry"

 

[Cliffy78]

That just goes to show pain is nothing more than a word for the week an excuse for the lazy to steal of the common decent man


Who doesn't care about a bit of pain... "The brave don't cry"

Dude did u make your account just to insult people? Obviously you've never been in real, intractable pain. Is that what u would say to a cancer patient? Dude u should be banned from this forum! I've never said that to anyone before but I mean it in your case. I won't resort to calling u names or anything like that as much as I may want too. Karmas a bitch buddy and someday u may have to eat your words.

 

[JebJebJeb]

Dude did u make your account just to insult people? Obviously you've never been in real, intractable pain. Is that what u would say to a cancer patient? Dude u should be banned from this forum! I've never said that to anyone before but I mean it in your case. I won't resort to calling u names or anything like that as much as I may want too. Karmas a bitch buddy and someday u may have to eat your words.

Poor show Cliffy poor show I was simply stating that people don't need painkillers or drugs to not have pain they just need to realise pain is not real its just a word inside your head i mean if you don't believe me then explain how if you think your in pain you are but if you dont think your in pain you wont feel a thing this of course requiers bravers, skill and manliness.

 

[Cliffy78]

Poor show Cliffy poor show I was simply stating that people don't need painkillers or drugs to not have pain they just need to realise pain is not real its just a word inside your head i mean if you don't believe me then explain how if you think your in pain you are but if you dont think your in pain you wont feel a thing this of course requiers bravers, skill and manliness.

Dude I got nothing to say to u, go flame a different site man.

 

[JebJebJeb]

I think you are the one flaming me sir and hopefuly get banned for it

 

[Cliffy78]

Haaaa! Ur the one trolling buddy. I've been a member for over a year and actually try to help people, what ru doing here other than making light of people's problems. You've been reported dude so get it outta ur system now!

 

[Runtoparadise]

^^^Haha, without wanting to risk an infraction I won't quote myself from earlier in this thread, but the rules on BL are clearly stated in regard to what is & is not acceptable from members.

Go play in the lounge dude, not on a pain forum.

Rtp

 

[namnoc16]

Poor show Cliffy poor show I was simply stating that people don't need painkillers or drugs to not have pain they just need to realise pain is not real its just a word inside your head i mean if you don't believe me then explain how if you think your in pain you are but if you dont think your in pain you wont feel a thing this of course requiers bravers, skill and manliness.

Yes Cliffy and the world we live in is not real it's all in our head. We must all be so enlightened as JebJebJeb and free ourselves from the matrix! Do what I'm about to do Cliffy and ignore this asshole! JebJebJeb you are the one!