Is life shit without drugs?

[Eveleivibe]

Anyone here remember MSB?

Just saying.

I worship cheesecloth

Get away with ye bloody ell Trust you to say summit humourous haha

Evey

 

[Bella Figura]

I worship cheesecloth

You're going to hell

 

[Eveleivibe]

The question is too general as human beings are so complex. For instance some people may need drugs (medication) to survive n without it their quality of life will be deeply affected.

In the recreational sense then again the question is too general. We have human perception n we have that of the addict mind. For an addict the perception is different in that they feel a certain drug (drug of choice / poly drug use) is needed in order for the person to have any quality of life. We know that this perception is distorted because of the things that the addict may have to do in order to seek out out the DOC eg stealing / n lying.

Person whom is not an addict may think that life is shit if they do not have drugs at sometime during the week whether it's illegal, alcohol or whatever but may function without for the rest of the time. And there are the people who like drugs, can take them or leave them n enjoy life either way.

Over n out.

Edit your body also can release chemicals that these drugs seek to rectify if only people realise it for instance the body's natural opiate in preventing pain (why the body suffers pain in opiate WD because these have been depleted by the opiate in question.

Evey

 

[Raasyvibe]

You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

No. This time he didnt if you read back. Vurtual did.

Evey

Thanks, Evey. I tend to just reverse everything Ceres says to get an accurate resemblance of the truth. He sure get's away with a lot. As you said, if I bullied someone for being gay, black, transsexual, Muslim, Chinese etc It would be infractions or even account banned. Yet he seems to get away with religious bigotry time and time again because it's towards a Christian.

nobody brought up christianity - they simply mentioned their views on organised religion vs. spirituality.

nobody is being chastised. (as far as i can tell)

Hey, I wasn't complaining at anyone. I just find it humorous how every time I post about anything it seems to end out as a religious discussion. "Chastise" was said tongue in cheek.

 

[Eveleivibe]

^^^^agreed!

It's disgusting the way Christians are treated on here.

Evey

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Well yeah...but it's pretty disgusting how I was made to say the Lords fucking prayer for years in school assembly when I didn't want to. So some of us, rightly or wrongly, just see it as payback. You shove shit down my throat don't be surprised when I'm sick on you later on.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I loved saying the lords prayer in school.

Seriously though this time Raas never brought it up n there are times when he debates about non religious stuff n there's a snarky remark.

I'm just going to report whoever does it again as Raas has not long come back here long so hardly fair.

Evey

 

[Ceres]

Thanks, Evey. I tend to just reverse everything Ceres says to get an accurate resemblance of the truth. He sure get's away with a lot. As you said, if I bullied someone for being gay, black, transsexual, Muslim, Chinese etc It would be infractions or even account banned. Yet he seems to get away with religious bigotry time and time again because it's towards a Christian.

In the UK christians are not a persecuted minority group, frankly it is insulting that you even equate being christian with the societal challenges including violence faced every day by LGBT or ethnic minority people in the UK. Shame on you.

Well yeah...but it's pretty disgusting how I was made to say the Lords fucking prayer for years in school assembly when I didn't want to. So some of us, rightly or wrongly, just see it as payback. You shove shit down my throat don't be surprised when I'm sick on you later on.

well put and exactly how I feel about it having been through the same nonsense with forced religious assemblies.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Errrrr I brought that point up not Raas. You're twisting things now Ceres.

Edit see theo thread

Yawn.

Evey

 

[Bella Figura]

In the UK christians are not a persecuted minority group, frankly it is insulting that you even equate being christian with the societal challenges including violence faced every day by LGBT or ethnic minority people in the UK. Shame on you.

As a brown ethnic minority immigrant, I salute you Ceres.

 

[Eveleivibe]

It's not about minorities it's about...., oh someone bring up rule 4 it's difficult to access on a phone. It's about rule 4.

Chipp I've not seen you around here since I've joined (unless you have a new name) but basically every time Raasy seems to join any debate someone makes some remark about his christianity n there seems to be a lot of members v him i feel that isn't fair no matter what someone's religion is. Anyway the fact people feel the need to do this just shows that they're often losing an argument n making fools of themselves.

Evey

 

[Raasyvibe]

Thanks, Evey. I tend to just reverse everything Ceres says to get an accurate resemblance of the truth. He sure get's away with a lot. As you said, if I bullied someone for being gay, black, transsexual, Muslim, Chinese etc It would be infractions or even account banned. Yet he seems to get away with religious bigotry time and time again because it's towards a Christian.

In the UK christians are not a persecuted minority group, frankly it is insulting that you even equate being christian with the societal challenges including violence faced every day by LGBT or ethnic minority people in the UK. Shame on you.


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So, because Christians don't get abused as much as other minorities, it's OK to abuse them here. And its shameful of me to think bigotry and victimisation towards them should not have its place here, because they need to be brought on par with other minorities.

That IS what you're saying, right?

The stuff you come out with is getting spectacular. No need to reply. Just leaving the quote up for other peoples amusement.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Well When you phrase it like that........ That does sound like what he's saying. And that's outta line.

Evey

 

[BecomingJulie]

You have a right to believe what you like. Other people have a right to point and laugh at you.

Actions have consequences. And when you choose to perform an action, you also choose to accept in full the consequences that go with that action, for better or for worse.

NSFW:

Like you just implicitly accepted the consequence of clicking "Show".

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

And if you don't want to get called out on believing things that aren't true, maybe you need to re-think your beliefs. Or at least practise them in private, where nobody could call you out because they would be guilty of invading your personal space. Do you actually need to keep telling world+cat you believe in talking snakes and a 6000-year-old universe every time you want to make a point?

 

[Eveleivibe]

Then what's the point in the BLUA? Because as far as I can see it only applies when it suits. I feel that Raas is being, n has been victimised due to his religion n others seem to get away with this because the masses are not Christians.

I am getting slightly annoyed over this so will leave now n see you all 2moro (as I was meant to do awhile ago).

Evey

 

[Ceres]

You have a right to believe what you like. Other people have a right to point and laugh at you.

Actions have consequences. And when you choose to perform an action, you also choose to accept in full the consequences that go with that action, for better or for worse.

NSFW:

Like you just implicitly accepted the consequence of clicking "Show".

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

And if you don't want to get called out on believing things that aren't true, maybe you need to re-think your beliefs. Or at least practise them in private, where nobody could call you out because they would be guilty of invading your personal space. Do you actually need to keep telling world+cat you believe in talking snakes and a 6000-year-old universe every time you want to make a point?

Indeed.

I don't think anyone is ridiculing raas because of his religious beliefs, which he is perfectly entitled to hold. No, I think there is a much simpler explanation, but I don't want to state the obvious.

 

[Raasyvibe]

You have a right to believe what you like. Other people have a right to point and laugh at you.

Wow.

If I dare call you anything but "Julie" I'm instantly infracted because I'm not allowed to disagree with your beliefs. Yet you can freely point and laugh if you disagree with mine. Stunning hypocrisy.

I also think you don't understand that we're referring to bigotry and abuse here, not just a difference of opinion.

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Thread has become over inflated. I'm not victimised here. When Ceres loses an argument he turns to posting stupid memes, and sometimes Shambles chips in when he's in one of his moods. That's about the extent of it.

I'm done. N'night all

 

[Tangerine Dream]

I tend to view drugs like relationships. I've had good and bad, great and awful... I don't need drugs, or a girlfriend but even after the negatives I haven't yet given up on either... Some of the best memories I have have been shroom and acid trips with good mates...

Drugs have also killed my best mate, made me threaten 5o stab a 'friend' in the throat (bento powders booze) crash car into mates house, forget weeks on end, be abusive verbally to people I love. Lose 1.6k gambling online then 700 on poker next day.

Had xanax powder stolen by lil sisters mate when i was in berlin - he had no idea what it was, ended up in hospital for 3 days and could have died. This was all years ago.

Scare my sister to death on her birthday as Injected brown for first and last time.

Drive to get weed while drunk and on benzos with no licence insurance road tax etc.

Scream and thrash around and bruise myself on MXE.

Had a fit after bad pills and weed on a night out. Proper seizure.

Another fit at festival when i ran out of xanax powder.

Got into a fight with bouncer who pushed me back and split my head open after night out in london.

Panic attack from weed in front of rents when i was 18 and thought I was dying.

I seem to remember the bad times more. But I fully respect anyone who can control themselves. I'm getting better.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Wow.

If I dare call you anything but "Julie" I'm instantly infracted because I'm not allowed to disagree with your beliefs. Yet you can freely point and laugh if you disagree with mine. Stunning hypocrisy.

I also think you don't understand that we're referring to bigotry and abuse here, not just a difference of opinion.

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Thread has become over inflated. I'm not victimised here. When Ceres loses an argument he turns to posting stupid memes, and sometimes Shambles chips in when he's in one of his moods. That's about the extent of it.

I'm done. N'night all

Maybe victimised was a bit strong a word. I was annoyed for reasons you stated. I really admire the way you are able to argue all this without getting wound up. Wish I could be more like that. Anyway I'm not saying no more now as it ain't fair on Issy, who didn't make the thread for all this drama. Sorry Isme
My comment about drugs is above but in terms of me, mostly I can live without them (to a point, I'm still taking suboxone/subutex -2.8mg) but have low days where I wanna take loads of subs or some form of opiate because life appears never-ending n shit at that time. So I guess the answer is yes n no, sorry.

Evey

 

[Vurtual]

I don't think it's fair to compare animals with humans in this instance. Animals are more instinctual. Whereas humans can comprehend fulfilment on a far deeper level. Saying that, no-ones going to argue that you cant enjoy an artificial high while having a fulfilling life - animals or human. I just think it's reasonable to assume, if you can achieve your dopamine/serotonin/endorphin rushes by applying yourself to real activities, you'll be less inclined to pursue the same rushes artificially. If anything, the artificial highs would only become an embarrassment to the natural highs.



Yes you did. Not in such candid words, but it's hard to conclude you meant anything else from your post.

"You said:

"Religions generally replace what you're lacking/missing in your own life ..... People should always be looking to improve their own lives and negate their desire for Religions, rather than succumb to them.

Saying that, there is always a time and place for Spirituality in a rich and diverse lifestyle"

You're condoning spirituality and condemning religion. One can only infer that you are suggesting religion is some kind of a distortion to spirituality.

Cwor what a palaver. You seem to have missed this bit of my follow up post: "Just a bit of cheeky wordplay based on how you can make statements like that about vague concepts like 'drugs' and 'religion' which don't mean much in reality; all depending on the specific size and shape of 'generally'."

I wasn't really stating anything i believed, i was cheekily serving your own generalisation back to you to illustrate it's meaninglessness (i switched between religion and spirituality to make it scan better - the rest of the wording was yours). I was talking about drugs not religion, but i used religion to maybe help you understand what the generalisation was like from the other side (you might argue against 'religion generally replace what's missing in life'.' whereas i'd argue against drugs necessarily being the same (again depending on what we each mean by generally (ie anything we like)))

I don't make a distinction between animals and humans - what are we, plants? fungus? It's insulting to evolution to pry us apart from the entire superorganism that is life i feel. The little bit of our brains/genes that separates us from the other mammals/crows is not that significant in the great scheme of things - our 'intelligence' sits on top of a whole evolutionary edifice of cognition which is shared by many animals (eg intution) - the bit that makes us different is interesting but on its own (ie without intuition), useless.

It's also difficult to distnguish natural from artificial highs - is feeling awe from a massive pipe organ in a cathedral artificial? (pipe organs don't grow on trees); for that matter, isn't modern religion artificial, with all it's books and buildings? (Unless it ties itself to some hunter-gatherer shamanic religion which you could argue is more 'natural' (i wouldn't)).