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The EADD a trifle annoyed thread v. I bet that smarts a bit

Forgetting to put the bike stand up on a maiden scooter voyage in india, I cornered, rickoshayed, and skid a couple of gravelled yards, down hill on my chin.

My advice.. don't do it like that if you value your face :/
 
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I've only once ridden a scooter, and I was in fear of my life! How the hell do you corner on those things? 8o

When you say Scooter, what do you mean ?? people will try and tell you 10" wheels are inherently unstable, I can assure you that's bollox.

My ill fated 400cc twist and go commuter scooter was good for almost 100MPH and felt solid as a rock, many a tunned Vespa or Lambretta will top 90MPH easily, more exotic stuff will get into 3 figures.

Mine is an old Lambretta Series 2 and has quite wide floor boards so ground clearance isnt great, the centre stand feet grind down first but I have it geared down a bit so it will fully rev out in top at a bit over 70MPH. It's got decent modern tyres on it and corners at speed with no drama, the people I ride with don't do mirrors and lights and all run tuned engines of some sort.

Disc brake and suspension upgrades become a necessity when you push the power, I'm making do with very well maintained and setup drums and sticky tyres ATM but a front disc is next, all the electrics, ignition, exhaust, manifolds, carb, main bearings, crank, cylinder, piston and a heap of together stuff is uprated. It spends more time on the lift in my garage in bits than it does being ridden !

Since the late 80s when someone came up with the idea and tried to sell some (they are still going as a business) a fairly common modification is to for an RD350YPVS engine into a Lambretta. Done well you can get the panels on and hide the radiator leaving only the twin exhaust as an obvious give away, properly setup with a steering damper 120MPH is possible ...if you have the nerve.

On the continent (Germany mostly) they prefer their Vespas, I read an article on a demonstrator from a custom tuning shop that was making 50BHP by grafting a motocross barrell onto a much modified Vespa bottom end, estimated top end 125MPH and that was detuned for road use FFS.

I still like big bikes but R1s etc have no character just huge performance which is far beyond what almost all riders could use and just the same as the next one. Little beats the feeling of pulling up next to a car at the lights on my very ..not shiny old lambretta and pulling away in a cloud of 2 stroke smoke and a waling exhaust and deafening carb induction noise with the front wheel just lifting before kicking it up a gear.

Is it reliable....err no...has it got great brakes....err no....is cornering it at 60 a heart stopping experience ....yep ....flat out could it let go or a major part fall off....yes :D

I'm done with commuting on 2 wheels for now and I'm not sure my left leg is up to a foot gear change or supporting a big bike and having just got back on 2 wheels I building back up slowly, a weekend spin in the sunshine is good enough for me at the mo :)

FTR it's currently on the lift in the garage whilst I have to totally refit the new exhaust after the manifold came loose caused it to run lean and almost cease at about 65 !...more unrated parts ordered to prevent a repeat of the failure but half the thing has to come to bits to get at it due to nothing involved being as the factory intended
 
A little girl's scooter. Like one of those silver things that wee girls scoot around on. With a hairdryer for an engine. Like yours.

What like mine, that is MOTd and taxed and can (on occasion) be ridden on the road :p

as apposed to a wanna be paris dakar mass production jap machine gathering dust in a shed ? I bet it even has electrical start and lights that actually enable you to see the road at night.....that is a little girls machine ;)
 
Fuckin hang on a minute there pal, thought you said yer scoot was Indian?? Afaik, Lambrettas are bloody Italian, is that not the case? Or has Lambretta gone the way of the Royal Enfield and is now exclusively produced in India? You're twistin my melon man.....


And it's got nowt to do with the size of the wheels, it's the fact that there's so much shit around the wheels and engine that you can't physically lean over enough to take a corner at a decent speed. Amirightoramiwrong??
 
Fuckin hang on a minute there pal, thought you said yer scoot was Indian?? Afaik, Lambrettas are bloody Italian, is that not the case? Or has Lambretta gone the way of the Royal Enfield and is now exclusively produced in India? You're twistin my melon man.....


And it's got nowt to do with the size of the wheels, it's the fact that there's so much shit around the wheels and engine that you can't physically lean over enough to take a corner at a decent speed. Amirightoramiwrong??

In the case of the Lambretta Series 2 Italy stopped making them about 1959, the tooling was purchased by API (Auto Parts India) and production in various guises went on until the early 70s when the company was closed, it was part state owned like many factories like that at the time. Later the Series 3 was also sold to SIL (Scooters India Ltd) and production went on there until the late 80s (maybe later not sure). also Spain produced both models under licence under the Servetta name, it was the way of things back then. So technically mine started out as a 1964 API Lamby 150 made in Bombay.

I think what you are referring to is the myth that surrounds the design of the Vespa engine which appears to be all on one side, that design originating in the 1940s is truly a masterpiece of engineering with it's direct mechanical drive (Lambretta use an enclosed chain) and forced air cooling, it is still in production today. I've had a number of Vespas and can assure you that there is no feeling of lop sided weight distribution, they handle well.

Vespas are based on a monocoque frame where as the Lambretta has a tubular frame with removable panels, the engine is central in the fram and like all scooters forms the swingarm (bolted to a pivot mid chassis and to the rear suspension at the back end)

I mention wheel size as the smaller the wheel the faster its spinning at a given speed and the quicker the steering, it's why back in the 880;s they started fitting 16" fronts to many sports bikes. It means that in traffic a scooter can pretty much turn 90 degrees but will feel more skitish when you get to high speed, hence a steering damper being required for ones with outlandish power outputs, ever had a tank slapper at speed on a bike ?...you don't forget it in a hurry.

Goddammit, you sure know how to twist the knife, you complete and utter... nasty man!!! :(

Hehe. :D

Hey, you slated my Scooter / Moped :) you know I know what it's like having one in the shed you can't ride, I know you're keeping her safe and she will rise from her slumber soon enough <3
 
Hey, you slated my Scooter / Moped :) you know I know what it's like having one in the shed you can't ride, I know you're keeping her safe and she will rise from her slumber soon enough <3

Yeah but I was only joking... you took it too far!!! *cries* :(

:D
 
In the case of the Lambretta Series 2 Italy stopped making them about 1959, the tooling was purchased by API (Auto Parts India) and production in various guises went on until the early 70s when the company was closed, it was part state owned like many factories like that at the time. Later the Series 3 was also sold to SIL (Scooters India Ltd) and production went on there until the late 80s (maybe later not sure). also Spain produced both models under licence under the Servetta name, it was the way of things back then. So technically mine started out as a 1964 API Lamby 150 made in Bombay.

I think what you are referring to is the myth that surrounds the design of the Vespa engine which appears to be all on one side, that design originating in the 1940s is truly a masterpiece of engineering with it's direct mechanical drive (Lambretta use an enclosed chain) and forced air cooling, it is still in production today. I've had a number of Vespas and can assure you that there is no feeling of lop sided weight distribution, they handle well.

Vespas are based on a monocoque frame where as the Lambretta has a tubular frame with removable panels, the engine is central in the fram and like all scooters forms the swingarm (bolted to a pivot mid chassis and to the rear suspension at the back end)

I mention wheel size as the smaller the wheel the faster its spinning at a given speed and the quicker the steering, it's why back in the 880;s they started fitting 16" fronts to many sports bikes. It means that in traffic a scooter can pretty much turn 90 degrees but will feel more skitish when you get to high speed, hence a steering damper being required for ones with outlandish power outputs, ever had a tank slapper at speed on a bike ?...you don't forget it in a hurry.

Nice history lesson Allein, cheers =D

However, i'm not referring to any myths regarding Vespa's engineering, it's just that there's no bloody ground clearance on them buggers.

Also, no, i've never had a tank slapper on a bike at speed, but I have had a slapper on my bike tank on speed on several occasions... ;)
 
Also, no, i've never had a tank slapper on a bike at speed, but I have had a slapper on my bike tank on speed on several occasions... ;)

Ah-hahaha. =D

I haven't had a tank slapper since I passed my test, or on my own bike. It's not an experience I'd like to recreate. 8o
 
Yeah but I was only joking... you took it too far!!! *cries* :(

:D

Ahhh, my genuine apologies if I went a bit too far, it was not my intention to rub salt in, just a poorly judged piss take.

I run 2 cars and have meger funds fro the scooter TBH, hence no bike (ZZR1100 went a good while back) and no second scooter. I've had this one for 12 years, insurance is about £100 and no road tax to pay. I don't spend loads of cash on it, recent upgrades were pain for from the profits of the sidecar sale, all the parts I just ordered to sort the exhaust manifold out came to £12.

If I ever had money to burn I'd get something like this

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'Tank slappers' are merely a product of poor tyres, poor steering geometry and poor headrace bearings.... which pretty much sums up scooters in a nutshell =D

(sorry Allein, couldn't resist)

Tank slappers are caused by none of those, steep rake at the front end and hard acceleration can set one off, bikes with a more sporty setup are more prone, it's a scary experience at high speed.

You can get a scooter a fair way over before anything touches down and lean angle isnt the be all of cornering, hanging of the thing can make up for the lack of actual lean and to get all technical you don't have the same gyroscopic forces to get the thing back upright that you do on a a bike. Scooter track racing is still a popular sport as is sprint racing, no they were never really intended to go that fast but you could say that same about the Beetle scene, hot rods or the beloved mini.
 
Steering geometry includes rake angle, as well as trail and offset, and cheap tyres can exacerbate the issue.

But hey, at least you've got 2 wheels on the road mate, mines waiting for an overhaul of the electrics ATM, so I'm only jealous. :(
 
Guess whose parents opened their post and is in a lot of trouble now. Gonna get a dog house for Dons garden.
 
^

With all respect, your parents are assholes.

I'm sure they're lovely in other ways like. But opening your post? Get ta fuck.
 
My mother used to do the same, under the pretence of 'what if it was an important bill (that was so urgent it couldn't wait an hour for me to get home) / insert fabricated emergency here'.

Sorry to hear it GL!
 
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